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woosa
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 Posted - Mar 11 2011 : 07:37:24 AM
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Didn't understand: Why do we need to apologise to women?
Doesn't it take 'two to tango'. i.e. both parties are in agreement to the sex act. So why apologise?
If one is not in agreement isn't it rape? And then I doubt an apology will cut it.
Are we not just putting labels on things here that don't need to?
And I agree with Victor I thought it was a bizarre video  .
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Chiron
Russia
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Posted - Mar 14 2011 : 04:02:29 AM
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Sure the messenger is not your ordinary joe but the message is worth noting, at least most of it.
From my experience and observation most men (including yours truly) have failed miserably at truly loving their women leaving alot of regrets behind. Thus the apology, if your experience has been different then that's great.. lets move on to better things.. |
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Chiron
Russia
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Posted - Mar 14 2011 : 05:09:12 AM
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| Plus the fact that women have been turned into a consumer good in modern society and the entertainment industry is another thing worth apologising for. People stopped seeing the sacred inside the woman and started focusing on the external appearances and that can never satisfy or lead to evolution. But anyway.. to each their own. |
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Chiron
Russia
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Posted - Mar 14 2011 : 05:13:51 AM
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| Oh and since women are more emotinally fragile and wound more easily, even though it takes two to tango, we should still have the courage to say we're sorry despite the ego telling us otherwise. |
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Yonatan
Israel
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Posted - Mar 14 2011 : 10:08:20 AM
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Originally posted by Chiron
Plus the fact that women have been turned into a consumer good in modern society and the entertainment industry is another thing worth apologising for. People stopped seeing the sacred inside the woman and started focusing on the external appearances and that can never satisfy or lead to evolution. But anyway.. to each their own.
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Kahlia
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Posted - Apr 03 2011 : 08:51:20 AM
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Originally posted by woosa
Didn't understand: Why do we need to apologise to women?
Doesn't it take 'two to tango'. i.e. both parties are in agreement to the sex act. So why apologise?
If one is not in agreement isn't it rape? And then I doubt an apology will cut it.
Are we not just putting labels on things here that don't need to?
And I agree with Victor I thought it was a bizarre video .
Just because someone is in agreement to allow someone to commit acts of violence toward them does not mean it is ok for it to be done.
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Apr 03 2011 : 09:57:49 AM
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| Maybe we should outlaw all the S & M materials; pictures, stories, paraphenalia and have police shut down all the clubs, and arrest anyone involved. And apologize to all of them. |
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emc
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Kahlia
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Posted - Apr 04 2011 : 7:37:14 PM
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I have to say at times in the past I have been extremely fascinated by BDSM but now I am aware of the underling psychological motivations and dynamics of it I find it even more saddening and absolutely abhorrent. In my journey to self discovery and sexuality I watched a lot of porn- I was curious. It changed how I saw men and it made me very angry for quite sometime. Porn is so deeply violent and degrading. My partner says but the women in these films want it too, they get paid etc. My answer to this was do you give a child something it desperately wants if you know it is bad for them? He replies and says but no, they are adults. I disagree.
The things that some people let others do to themselves I find very, very saddening. The things people do to their own bodies even worse! Some people really do the most bizzarest things all in the name of "kink" when really all they are craving is attention: physical and emotional intimacy! The self hate and lack of self love is so evident in porn. Thats my theory anyway.
That youtube clip was very touching, it bought tears to my eyes.
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Apr 04 2011 : 7:50:16 PM
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What i was hinting at is I think we should let people do whatever they want if it is consensual. Some of it will be disgusting, but that is normal.
I don't think people into BDSM are just craving attention or intimacy for the most part. It may seem sad from our viewpoint, but I'm sure some people would consider my lifestyle sad.
Different people will find different things disgusting, but we don't have to watch! |
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Kahlia
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Posted - Apr 04 2011 : 7:56:03 PM
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We dont have to watch youre right. But I am a feeling, emotional being, and I care about others and the evolution of the planet. Apathy is not the answer. Tolerance is also very important. I find achieving a harmonious balance of the mix of the two difficult at times, especially when it comes to any form of violence and degradation whatsoever.
Porn has a negative, insidious, pervasive quality about it. Its effects trickle out into society and do not simply stop when one stops watching and turns it off. It has changed the world we live in. It is a subject I feel strongly about but I will stop ranting now 
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selfonlypath
France
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Apr 04 2011 : 10:57:31 PM
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It's good you have strong feelings about this. May you use those emotions to help people by educating them, rather than restricting their freedoms and ruling over them.
Of course, that is quite difficult. |
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Kahlia
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Posted - Apr 05 2011 : 01:21:40 AM
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You know I have no desire to wish to limit, over rule or restrict anyone. I just want people to be healthy and happy. If they gain much happiness and health from BDSM and porn then so be it- who am I to judge this? I have my strong opinions and views but I do not push them on anyone.
I agree various sex experiences can cause significant shifts and changes in ones consciousness and energy but why the need for humiliation, bondage and violence? Surely activating ones Kundalini using such methods can not be good? Certainly it happens but there has to be safer and more gentle, loving ways? I believe that the true pathology of the desire for this operates on a very deep level which is probably much better approached and healed using much safer psychological/spiritual methods.
During my search and self inquiry into BDSM and how BDSM can fit into and compliment ones spiritual practice I never managed to make any sense of it and see any positive in it?
There is much more to interpersonal, spiritual dynamics than sex, power exchange, ego gratification than submission, humiliation and domination. Why do people chose such extreme methods for sexual, spiritual experiences and energy exchange and think they are better or more effective than other methods? I dont understand.
I see some of this has already been covered in the other thread posted.
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Louie
Canada
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Posted - Dec 21 2011 : 1:30:10 PM
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I would say that your higher self had a purpose for you watching that video. I had a similar experience a few months ago. I was on a business trip and I was in the hotel for the night. I suddenly had the urge to Google the phrase "school girl hentai". For those who do not know, hentai is Japanese animated porn. I was addicted to it for a while a few years ago.
In any case, a link came up for a video and I watched it. It was a sex scene of a girl (animated) having sex that was obviously conscenual but had absoutely no love to it. The guy (animated) was obviously just looking for a warm body to masturbate in. He was being quite rough with her.
I was sitting there thinking "this is awful. Why am I watching this!" I turned it off and put the computer away for the night.
A few days later I was reading a book by David Deida. In the book he talked about how sexual energy can become perverted when it is not allowed to flow in loving ways. Sexual energy needs to move. All energy needs to move. If you do not move it in loving and conscious ways then it will move in unconscious and potentially unloving ways. As I was reading this I remembered the video and how loveless that sex scene was. I realized that this is what sex looks like when the heart is closed and love is not flowing. The energy flowing in the act of sex becomes completely physical.
I believe this was a cautionary note from my higher self. I have a very high natural libido and I have to be sure that I am consciously working with that energy lest it start to move in unconscious and perverted ways.
By the way, this is why I am not at all surprised that so many Catholic priests have had trouble with perversion. The church has told them that they are not allowed to have a normal sex life. That energy needs to move so they end up going in darker directions with it. |
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