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ThisIsTruth
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 Posted - Feb 21 2009 : 6:51:28 PM
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Hi to all,
Thank You Bill for Your help. Now, by the help of Bill, here is a suitable translation of this my post from BG to ENG.
INTRODUCTION/PRELIMINARY to spinal breathing application.
Similar to the Bodhidharma qi gong exercises you can get to experience
your energy body by adding these steps to your pranayama exercises.
The Bodhidharma qi gong moves energy from the hands to the lower
dan tien with the help of mental intent. The flow of the energy is similar
as that of spinal breathing in that with the inhale the flow is upwards
and downwards with the exhale.
First there is an imaginary contraction of the hand held in a relaxed fist.
This is done before Second directing the flow of mind intent from the fist
to the dan tien and back to the fist.
The main thing is the imaginary contraction of the fist. I don’t move
the muscle but imagine it is contracting. With the help of this exercise
the muscle will contract only with the help of mind intent, imagination.
EXERCISE with "Bodhidharma" spinal breathing
The spinal tube used in spinal breathing is seen as a C shape with
the tube curling around the muladhara at the bottom of the C. The top of
the channel curls around the ajna center forming the top of the C:
-breathe out and at the same time compress the ball at the third eye
without any physical muscular action
- move the attention down along the spinal tube and at the same time
continue to breathe out
- imagine the muladhara as a spongy rubber ball of energy. Compress
the ball using imagination without muscular contration.
-move the attention up the spinal tube and inhale.
REMARKS:
To feel the place of Mulahara- make 60 to 120 contractions of the pelvic
floor, not the anal sphincter, at one per second. This is the part of the PC
muscle that is used in men to halt urination, and ejaculation. A man will
feel the Muladhara 1 cm under the skin between the sphincter and
testicles - the place will be hot after some contractions.
Women will feel the Muladhara as a point in their yoni.
To feel the place of the third eye look for a pulse at the customary place
between the eybrows.
You will feel the spinal cord having a pins and needles feeling and true
sexual energy will rise up the tube.
Gury in You. |
Edited by - ThisIsTruth on Mar 04 2009 5:13:23 PM |
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Posted - Feb 22 2009 : 08:45:04 AM
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Bill
USA
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Posted - Feb 23 2009 : 12:11:50 PM
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This is Truth,
What is the hand mitt?
Thanks |
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ThisIsTruth
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Posted - Feb 26 2009 : 5:26:36 PM
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Hi to all,
Will be posted later. |
Edited by - ThisIsTruth on Mar 04 2009 5:09:29 PM |
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krcqimpro1
India
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Posted - Mar 01 2009 : 11:57:25 PM
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Hi everybody, what Thisistruth is trying to tell us seems interesting. If anyone has understood it well, could you pl. post it in easier-to-understand words, so that others can try it too?
Krish |
Edited by - krcqimpro1 on Mar 02 2009 01:14:53 AM |
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Bill
USA
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Posted - Mar 03 2009 : 1:55:27 PM
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I have offered to this is truth to help edit his English to clarify what he is trying to say. I should send him a draft today or early tomorrow morning. Then he will re post it.
Bill |
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krcqimpro1
India
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Posted - Mar 03 2009 : 9:57:13 PM
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Thanks, Bill. That will be very good. I shall look forward to it.
Thisistruth, pl. expedite.
Krish |
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ThisIsTruth
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Posted - Mar 20 2009 : 8:20:39 PM
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REMARK 1: In the spinal breath, explained by Yogani, I just improve the manipulation
with low and high ends of the spinal tube:
- at the low end this is mulabandha contraction&relax of the PC muscle - with
the help of mind intent. Contraction&relax must be imaginery, not physical move.
- at the high end of the spinal tube this is sambhavi contraction&relax of the third eye.
- we never forget that 8 limbs of Yoga are coherent - we make an Pranayama progress, if
we make progress in Yama&Niyama, Asana, Pratiahara, Dharana, Dhiana, Samadhi.
- we must learn&master the samyama art - then we never will be clung to enjoyment
and pain, but only to Emptyness and to Unconditional Love. This mastership to throw
away into the Emptyness. For example: "Make kindness and then throw away (let it go)."
REMARK 2: I notice, that it is comfortable to compress with my mind intent and wish the ball
at the third eye, then move the attention down along the spinal tube, but when arrived
to muladhara, either not compress, or only just compression (just to keep feeling for
the end of the attention way). Sometimes, if muladhara "give the signal that exist",
must compress. It's visible that we must be flexible in Pranayama.
When I do this, what I feel ? When compress the third eye - here is the compressed
energy with high pressure. When I move down this pressed energy, she make the
cleaning of the spinal tube and press at the muladhara too. For the kundalini the only
way is to go up - like 2 connected vessels, when at the first the pressure is bigger, at
the second the level is higher. There is no need to lift up kundalini, if I pressure down.
POST 2
1. Some words about Bodhidharma’s Yi Jin Jing.
For these that aren't familiar with 12 Ta Moa forms, I want to explain.
Forms can help them to feel for what I speak. Nay , person can feel his
oun energy body.
I can't make a full presentation of 12 forms here, but only in essence.
All we know the basic occult law - the energy follow the attention.
Bodhidharma forms are not for Chi accumulation, but for Chi movement.
This is well known Bodhidharma’s Yi Jin Jing - how to build internal energy
to an abundant level. Althhough 12 exercises are not for energy extraction,
but for chi movement/guidance, if we combined them with energy extraction
techniques will be easy for the begginer to guide energy - because we are
able to feel the energy and guide not imaginations, but real vital energy.
As we realize - as the tube is clean, as the energy movement is easy. And
we must clean nervous system by the help of deep meditation.
And we must learn the art of 'throw away'.
2. The 'Beinsa Douno' key to the castle.
Before trying the exercise below, I must explain the key to all this
contraction&relax of the PC muscle with the help of mind intent.
This is the key to all exercise - bhakti. What I mean to say with this
word - bhakti ? Because every good wish come from God - this is Bhakti.
All we have a good longings and when we are alone - sometimes this
good wish appear strong. This is exactly moment to contract the fist -I don’t
move the muscle, imagine contraction of the fist, but with this wish. After
some attempts I understood 'for what is speech'.
Keep in heart and always when you feel the innermost wish - make this
'fist of wish', 'fist with innermost wish'. This is the Beinsa Douno key for
all of as.
3. Try this exercise:
- standing, close eyes
- touch the palate with the tongue (easy kechari)
- hands are down, hold the hand in a relaxed fist
- legs must be unfold/straight
- relax the whole body (palms and hand too)
- breathe out and at this time compress the fists by the help
of mind/wish, not phisically!
- relax whole body, continue to breathe out and move attention
down from the 2 fists along the hands to the place that is
located 2 fingers below the navel (about 3 cm)- lower DanTian,
DanTian.
- breathe in and move attention up to the relaxed fists
- imaginary compress fists again and so on ....
- repeat 50 times (Ta Moa complex suggest 600 repetitions at
one sadhana, 12x50=600, and it is inpossible for the beginner
to start with this number of repetitions - maybe proper number
is 120 to 150 repetitions)
What will happen? Soon (after 3 to 5 days) you will feel
the energy flow by hands to the navel - the hands will sometimes
have "pins and needles" because of energy movements.
This exercise help you to feel energy body. Because this exercise
much more easy to learn, it will train you how to do the same with
the spinal breathe.
This is perfect way to move and balance the vital energy in all body.
You can make this before spinal breathe and continue with spinal
for 15 minutes together.
4. if we combined energy movement with energy extraction techniques
will be easy for the beginner to guide the energy because we are able
to feel the energy and guide not imaginations, but real vital energy.
If you all are interested with energy extraction techniques and
with prohibitions in energy extraction, we can make such theme:
"ENERGY EXTRACTION TECHNIQUES AND PROHIBITIONS IN ENERGY EXTRACTION".
I will discuss my experience here with pleasure.
Guru in You. |
Edited by - ThisIsTruth on Mar 21 2009 04:28:56 AM |
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krcqimpro1
India
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Posted - Mar 21 2009 : 01:44:00 AM
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Hi ThisIsTruth, Thanks for all the effort, but it is all still confusing, probably because of the translation from Chinese, I think.
Bill, if you or anybody else has understood all the above, could you take a little time to put it in proper intelligible english. I think all forum members would appreciate it.
Krish |
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krcqimpro1
India
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Posted - Mar 21 2009 : 02:03:48 AM
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Hi ThisIsTruth,
pl. tell me if my understanding is right, " While mentally squeezing the imaginary ball at the upper end( at 3rd eye) of the "C" shaped channel breathe out slowly tracing the spinal column ,till you reach the lower end of the "C" shaped channel(spinal column) at the Mooladhara ( which is an imaginary rubber ball ) ; on reaching the mooladhara at the end of the out-breath, imagine squeezing the rubber ball while simultaneously starting to breath in and trace the C channel (spinal column) up to the 3rd eye, and on reaching this upper end "ball" at the end of the in-breath, again imagine gently squeezing this ball (3rd eye) while simultaneously commencing the out-breath and tracing the C shaped channel( spinal column) down to the mooladhara and ending the out-breath there....... then again squeeze the mooladhara end ball and so on.
Bill, is this what you understood ?
Krish |
Edited by - krcqimpro1 on Mar 29 2009 02:07:34 AM |
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krcqimpro1
India
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Posted - Mar 21 2009 : 02:16:42 AM
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Hi This Is Truth,
In your 20th Mar. post, what do you mean by " relax whole body and while breathing out, move the attention from the 2 fists along the hands to 2 FISTS BELOW THE NAVEL". What are these 2 fists below the navel ?
Krish |
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ThisIsTruth
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Posted - Mar 21 2009 : 04:33:07 AM
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Hi Krish,
This is my mistake and now I correct, 10x:
Move attention down from the 2 fists along the hands to the place that is located 2 fingers below the navel (about 3 cm)- lower DanTian,DanTian.
This text is here temporary - while Bill correct my post.
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krcqimpro1
India
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Posted - Mar 21 2009 : 05:00:43 AM
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Thanks ThisIsTruth, Did you read my post giving my understanding of what you have posted ? Also, what is Dan Tian?
Krish |
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Bill
USA
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Posted - Mar 21 2009 : 7:03:40 PM
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Krish,
I just sent some suggestions to This is Truth to clarify the above text and also suggested that the clarification could come through an ongoing dialog. For example I have questions about the word extraction. He gave up on my latest correction. My mom died recently so I have had to push to get this done, but I didn't finish before he sent in the above text.
The Dan tien is the belly energy center used in tai chi or qi gong. It is not exactly a chakra but more like a pass through station for the body's vitality, prana or chi. It is also an area for the transformation of sexual energy and storage of that transformed substance.
Bill |
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Bill
USA
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Posted - Mar 21 2009 : 7:07:49 PM
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I am available for further clarification on the above texts for today then I am driving to AZ for the memorial. I am available while I am there and later. Sorry for the delay in working on these texts. I think the author is Bulgarian, and is a yoga and qi gong practitioner.
There are still some clarity issues with the first post, but from now on I think they should all be worked out in dialog form.
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ThisIsTruth
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Posted - Mar 27 2009 : 6:06:23 PM
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Posted - Mar 21 2009 : 04:33:07 AM
Hi Krish,
You understand the technique of the exercise - but this is mentally
squeezing only at the beginning. The key point at all this is
imagine contraction of the fist, but 'with wish' - 'the fist of wish'.
It is impossible for to explane by the help of words - this you will
know by the help of experience. First must try 'the fist of wish' at
'another time and place'.
Gury in you.
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krcqimpro1
India
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Posted - Mar 29 2009 : 08:17:36 AM
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Hi Bill,
Sorry to hear of your mom's passing. There is no rush ! Pl. attend to all your impt. work first. This can wait.
Krish |
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krcqimpro1
India
329 Posts |
Posted - Mar 29 2009 : 08:37:22 AM
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Hi, ThisIsTruth,
In your march 20 post, you say, "while breathing out, move attention down from fists along hands to a point 2 fingers' width below the navel". By this I understand that you really mean, " move your attention Up along the arms from the fist, to the shoulders, then down through the body till you reach a point about 2 fingers' width below the navel at the end of the out-breath". And reverse the attention bach to the fists on the in-breath." Is this correct. Pl. let me know.
Krish |
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ThisIsTruth
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Posted - Mar 29 2009 : 4:25:12 PM
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Krish,
You will find the best way. For me this is from the fist, to the shoulders, then down through the body, not through the spinal tube, not through the front of the body. Just down through the body, yes. |
Edited by - ThisIsTruth on Mar 29 2009 5:51:40 PM |
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krcqimpro1
India
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Posted - Mar 30 2009 : 02:00:41 AM
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Thanks, ThisIsTruth. I am going up the arm from the fist to the shoulders, then down the body on either side for left and right, and meeting at 3 cm below the navel on completion of out-breath, and return same way in reverse during in-breath. Should the psychic tightening and relaxing of the fists be done gradually along the entire length of breath in and out ? Or just briefly at the end of the in and out-breaths ?
Krish |
Edited by - krcqimpro1 on Mar 30 2009 04:43:20 AM |
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ThisIsTruth
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Posted - Mar 30 2009 : 09:19:00 AM
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Hi Krish,
10x for the good question.
It is better to do tightening and relaxing AT THE BEGINING of
the in and out-breaths. This make a presure like a pump and compressed
energy moves from one to the other end of the tube.
Sometimes the energy movement down is slower than the attention
movement down - at the attention movement up I meet the down energy
and feel the resistance of 2 steam at this spine place.
Five minutes with this kind of spinal breathing are enough, if you
feel the energy pressure at the tube.
because of continuing interest of this theme,I give here a link to the pictures of 12 forms:
http://87.121.12.202/Opera/1024/Free/FrmSetUK.html
Must select theme No1 to see the forms pictures.
We must do the forms standing up and we must do not move at all
the time (only hands must move to go to the next position) - it is
very difficult for the beginner to repeat 50 times each form, but
must begin with 10- 15 repetitions. Then will be unbelievable easy,
but you must try to know how...
Form No12 we do not like other 11 forms. We must move our hands
witout moving - only imaginary, where we want (up, down and ...).
You will feel your real energy body at the form 12.
Guru in you. |
Edited by - ThisIsTruth on Mar 30 2009 11:20:12 AM |
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krcqimpro1
India
329 Posts |
Posted - Mar 30 2009 : 11:09:43 AM
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Thanks ThisIsTruth,
I am trying this outsince yesterday. You said 3 to 5 days should get the energy moving. What is this energy ? How is there energy in the fist? Could you briefly explain? Is this kundalini energy too?
Krish |
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ThisIsTruth
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Posted - Mar 31 2009 : 3:49:30 PM
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There is no need to explane more.
Just must do it.
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krcqimpro1
India
329 Posts |
Posted - Apr 03 2009 : 04:37:51 AM
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Hi, can anybody else clarify my doubts ? While I am keenly trying this out, I would like to understand this energy better.
Krish |
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ThisIsTruth
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Posted - Apr 03 2009 : 08:58:29 AM
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Pls Krish, don't doubt. We all need faiht and belief.
If you doubt in existance of New York - why you go to see this town.
This energy isn't harm for the our health.
The energy that you move is in your oun energy body and you just compress...
OKI ? |
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ThisIsTruth
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Posted - Apr 23 2009 : 2:52:26 PM
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POST 3
REMARK 3 - to the exercise with "Bodhidharma" spinal breathing
It is not very easy for the beginner to make 'contraction with
innermost wish' at the two ends of the spinal tube.
By this reason we must train to contract 2 ends physically and
make these contractions a conditioned reflex in SB.
After that it will be easy for as to learn 'contraction with
innermost wish' at the two ends of spinal tube.
To help yourself - see AYP lesson 119 "Some other approaches to
mulabandha".
In this lesson Yogani explain still 2 approaches added to the
basic mulabandha approach.
I remind that the first way to make mulabandha&sambhavi is
'constant contraction/flexing' of 2 ends while we do SB.
The second and third approaches are explained in lesson 119.
Each (one of as) must choose the suitable for him approach.
Please first establish the physical contraction/flexing and
then learn the 'contraction with innermost wish'.
I remind again the exercise to train and feel the place of
Muladhara - make 60 to 120 physical contractions of the pelvic
floor, at one per second.
And now, something much more difficult - to train and feel the place
of the third eye make 60 to 120 physical contractions (sometimes
I flex the place between the the eyebrows, but I can't flex it):
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- put your finger between the eyebrows to feel and control
the physical contraction to be gently contraction.
- physically contract&relax the third eye - furrow the point between
the eyebrows by bringing the two eyebrows slightly toward the center.
At the same time physically rais and center the eyes toward the
furrowing between the eyebrows.
- by your estimation will be time when you can train this without
setting your finger between the eyebrows.
After few days we can include physical contraction&relaxing
of 2 ends while we do SB and train to make these contractions
a conditioned reflex in SB.
Why I explain in details how to work at 2 ends of the tube?
It is important for us to force/awaken the extatic conductivity and
this is the third stage of sadhana. The first 2 are SB and DM - they
must be well established to begin this third stage - work at 2 ends
of the spinal tube. Then follow the stage 4...
And now - some fun:
http://87.121.12.202/Docs/Pictures/...i320x240.jpg
Guru in you |
Edited by - ThisIsTruth on May 01 2009 09:40:26 AM |
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