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Originally posted by lmaher22

Thanks Shanti. Can't we re-talk a topic for new input? Or maybe I should just ask about ****ileni?
Thanks,
L

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Originally posted by Etherfish
[..]the majority of the evidence they show that aliens come from outer space in space ships is cave drawings and stories all across the world, showing astronauts, ships etc, and the obsession of those civilizations with the stars. But we know there are a lot of other possible explanations for that; maybe a dimension close to ours but not physical, maybe they were from earth, etc. [..]I think the reason there has been so much controversy about aliens is that they may inhabit other dimensions.[..] Aliens might live in a world very similar to ours, but have technology way beyond ours that can shift dimensions.
This brings up an interesting concept: if they can shift dimensions, and they know we can't, they could control whether we are aware of them or not.
It's possible there are many planets populated by beings who can change dimensions whenever they want.

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Originally posted by AumNaturel


That is the theory I have been forced to draw as well after pondering casually on the phenomena over some time, listening to - accounts --, extending the benefit of doubt to unverified third-hand accounts (even if most if not nearly all of them leave much to be desired to be considered as completely and entirely accurate and truthful within reasonable limits of recollection), and sifting through some well-known cases.

Something was not adding up. Everything couldn't be reduced to fraud, misidentification, unexplained natural phenomena, or rationalized as secret technology. The close association between other paranormal events surrounding sightings, the inability to find patterns or reason, and finally the blatant absurdity made it necessary to shift it from something objective but unexplained (eti) and into the paranormal realm (edi). However, it cannot end there, as by definition, the paranormal interacts with the objective 'normal.'

This is where I discover Jacques Vallée: "The problem before us now is this: if the reality behind the UFO phenomenon is both physical and psychic in nature, and if it manipulates space and time in ways our scientific concepts are inadequate to describe, is there any reason for its effects to be limited to our culture or to our generation?" (Dimensions - A Casebook of Alien Contact). And so opens another door of possibilities, full of implications -- that would by now stand out following any inquiry into the field.

What he puts forth is a working hypothesis, and a new framework with which the subject can be studied further.

In the meantime, it seems authors in some of the literature I've come across admit to contact and even abduction experiences, with lasting impacts that directly or indirectly influence the content of the information. The field cannot be ignored, knowing very well that the methods many people including myself use daily originate from EDIs or collaborations with them.

EDI is a broad enough term to encompass all sorts of contact, be it of mediums, meetings in altered states of consciousness, séances, hauntings, possibly even various forms of illness and disease, or gifts and abilities. Presumably, many other experiences with edi are not reported, remembered, or the person(s) involved possibly fail to consider its effects over the course of their lifetime, along with the 'butterfly effect.' It is the distinction here between "extra" and ordinary, spiritual or paranormal intelligence where the term clarifies what portion of the spectrum of entities (including humans and animals considered self-aware enough to fit this arbitrary criteria) it intends to uncover.

I've left out specifics and supportive sources to stay focused on the main points, but have to elaborate on one of them, which is outlining what I mean by information originating from or in collaboration with 'them' (we are EDI to them too, from a dualistic me-you/us-them point of view). In and of itself, any method may not have anything to do with establishing contact. However, to engage in some wild speculation, what if all that it takes is a simple but very specific shift of intention that matches by design an external one, and like a lock and key a door opens leading down an enticing (and irreversible?) path to contact. This is not too far removed from accounts describing a need for explicit and genuine permission in order that the experience proceed, but not in all cases, leading one to suspect such agreements may have taken place in the remote past.

"..I deeply desire, to expand, to experience...such greater energies and energy systems...the help and cooperation, the assistance, the understanding, of those individuals, whose wisdom, development, and experience, are equal to or greater than my own.."

Robert Monroe was the pioneer in modernizing brainwave entrainment as a result of advances in technology, first with analog and now digital technology. His and TMIs primary aim is out of body travel, implying contact, and a variety of methods (visualizations, affirmations, self-hypnosis) that have been taught to him in his own explorations by them. He attributed his natural and spontaneous abilities to a past life where he was a yogi, together with some supportive evidence of lives more distant. I have noticed similarities between him and another author that will be described later regarding parallel lives, helpers, shared paranormal experiences (levitation, electromagnetic effects on vehicles), abductions, and time shifts. To my surprise, Vallée too picked up such specific descriptions by Monroe. Others not affiliated with him are following up with advances in the field that seek to reproduce states of consciousness that may facilitate a direct conduit. If Rick Strassman was able to do so unintentionally by the use of a psychoactive substance between a few participants, deliberate and trained efforts too could succeed.

"I remember where I came from and how I became a human, why I hung around, and now my final departure is scheduled. This way out. Escape velocity. Not just eternity, but infinity." -Monroe

"Take what you like, and leave the rest to someone who will Love it"

Klaus Joehle is the author mentioned earlier whose life experiences also involve entities ranging from unexplainable phenomena witnessed by many, through to interaction with elementals, all the way up to and including EDIs. The latter seem to have an active role at different points of his life, without question influencing the formulation of his contributions to the art of manifesting, among many other areas of life to which it can apply. Perhaps contrary to Monroe, he urges caution with the desire to establish contact, since according to him, it is irreversible. He goes on to provide a path based on love and inner guidance as a way to come to terms with this greater spectrum of possibility. Applying the method by definition opens some doors.

'The book is true, things happened as explained, with no expectation that anyone will believe this; there was no exaggeration to write it. Once you see the results for yourself, there will be nothing left to be said.' -Joehle, Living on Love, paraphrased

Those were just two examples. There are more, using different methods, all arriving at the same anomalous zone where it becomes hard to tell what constitutes subconscious projections, other psychic phenomena, 'gurus, sages, and higher beings,' or edi (and resulting interference from each source).

Countless reasons spring forth for why this field of inquiry should be neglected or de-prioritized: ridicule and denial, fear of the unknown and of what's presently known, inherent risks and hazards, doubt about possible benefits, discouragement from the scale of the phenomena along with the diversity of perspectives (divided-..), or other self-limiting beliefs. I hope to have made it evident by now that any of these options are at best illusions, and at worst maintain the state of oppression and disempowerment.

The phenomena exist and exert their influence over many at least when considering second and third-hand accounts as true, and they occur regardless of one's intentions, prior knowledge, or dabblings. If there's a pattern or meaning, I think the consensus so far is that it is truly random and completely bizarre, meaning anyone is at risk/in grace whichever it happens to be. Knowing about a subject, no matter how little, can only be to one's benefit. Awareness and love, the gurus remind us, overcome all obstacles so that only truth remains. The power within, and that called upon to living and ascended saints and sages prevails always and without exception.


Naturally, I am curious about it all. It comes with the territory, and it can't be so easily brushed aside as explained in the opening, or packaged into some neat concept to be conveniently filed away, knowing that at least some spiritual practices don't exactly originate here. Take channeled teachings, such as Seth I/II, and the influence it has had over similar material. We work with them in some way or another, and so end up taking part while benefiting. Is this desirable? Misleading? Necessary? Look forward to more input on the topic, so much as it relates or is relevant to the spiritual path.

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