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kevincann
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335 Posts |
 Posted - May 07 2011 : 12:29:46 AM
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Since every being is a distant echo of the One, they of necessity
feel like "god" inside of their depths. More than anything, they
thirst for experience. They thirst for their inner "little"
divinity to expand, under their own power (they see it this way
at the first), and to rejoin the great sea known as undifferentiated
consciousness.
Not a single one of those beings wishes to be a student, except on
the way to becoming a teacher (of themselves, if nobody else).
To treat any being like a student, is to not only show your own ignorance,
but to swim upstream in a way that cannot be won.
Well, wouldn't it be wise, to put all this knowlege out there, and
tell people it is just a baseline. These people would often "steal"
the knowledge, make it part of themslelves, and teach it to others;
something that they would not do, if they were "students". They
would rebel.
Now to show pure genius, tell them that the guru is within them.
This affirms their teacher status.
Of course it is also true.
I think some genius should amass all this knowledge, and start
telling people that the guru is within them.
And that certain mouthy people, namely ones who struggle with how
to treat people, might steal this technique and profit from
it greatly.
Whatcha think?
-Kevin Cann |
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bewell
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Posted - May 07 2011 : 06:50:41 AM
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Hi Kev,
As I see forum participation, there is a host/guest relationship. Yogani and the AYP teachings are host. The rest of us are guests. Look to the right and left of this page: There we have links to our host's teachings. Look at the instructions on the "sticky" at the top of each forum thread: There we have instructions on how to participate as a guest.
Take the Satsang Cafe sticky for example: We are gathered here to enjoy spiritual company... "When we gather for the purpose of our mutual spiritual growth, something extra gets created - a positive influence that can be felt working within and around us."
It is a struggle at times to know how best to relate to other people here at this gathering. We are all students and all teachers to some degree. When I am struggling to know how to relate to others here, I ask myself questions like these: Am I doing my daily yoga practices? Am I receiving support for doing my practices? Am I supporting others in doing their practices? Am I following the forum guidelines as best I understand them? If in doubt, have I read the "stiky" on the forum thread where I am participating?
That's how I do it
Love, Peace and Light,
Be
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - May 07 2011 : 07:45:02 AM
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Thank you for the great post bewell, it's always good to remind us that we are here at AYP and the forums are for spreading the AYP teachings and supporting those who practice them.
Dear kevincann,
if one is practicing AYP daily he can't do wrong to others (neither hurt nor deceit...)Maybe to himself if not acting properly yes; But never to others. AYP does work and it brings great results to one's life and this is why people like me share it with others along with karma yoga which is a natural result of daily practice.
Anyways it always takes two to tango. All one can do is say watch out and it's on the recipients end to take responsibility of their actions. They should surrender only after testing the teacher real well.
In the end: Everything leads to good/Truth/God... Even in death and suffering.
"All is good all is Allah."
In infinite gratitude to Yoganiji and the AYP family for making my life so rich.
Love and namaste
Ananda |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - May 07 2011 : 07:46:51 AM
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As to how to treat others on the path, best advise was given by master Jesus: Treat others as you would want others to treat you, yourself.
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - May 07 2011 : 08:08:41 AM
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Funny kevin
"Not a single one of those beings wishes to be a student, except on
the way to becoming a teacher (of themselves, if nobody else)."
And some of them might have no empathy but try to teach how others feel. . .
But you could arrange this knowledge in the form of lessons or books and put it on the internet. .
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 07 2011 : 1:14:17 PM
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The purpose of the post was to recognize Yogani's genius for his approach.
As for making mistakes, if one were a polar bear, with unlimited purity of heart
and slience, communicating with another species would still be bumpy.
The easy take-away for me would be to assume I should live in a cave and avoid
all human contact. I have done that for so long.
I am overflowing with enthusiasm and passion to give love to others, I have
little else in me.
However on forums at least, my executition is wretched.
In real life, I hug people. I let them beat me up (more verbally than
phyiscally any more). I hold their hand and look in their eyes, and
ask how I might contribute to their life. I am not afraid of prostitutes,
or gang bangers; I wll love anyone, even dogmagatic people who are troubled
by the very fact that I exist.
I constantly joke, and elevate spirits. I do not have to try,
it is automatic.
I can talk for days on end, about many subjects, but only do so
if there is an interest. However I withhold most of what I know,
so as not to overwhelm, and encourage other people to find the
answer on their own; as it is better to help someone learn how to
learn, than to overwhelm them with things they may not process.
I donate to women's shelters. I sit with homeless people on the
street. I donate to right action wherever I see it.
In real life, I quickly bond with almost anyone. I don't need to
say anything controversial. After the bond exists, the fact that
my brain has extra parts and missing parts so to speak does
not matter.
Yes I get things wrong and will until I die get things wrong. For
example, if your brain could not understand, process or pronounce
the letter "w", then you could not even say the word "we".
In my simple inner world, everyone loves each other, and there is
no separation between them and me and the universe. No separation
at all.
Yes, I do have a hurt ego in there, which is endlessly kept alive,
by people who pick at it. I do not pick at it. It serves no
function.
I would gladly be ripped apart, slowly and torturously, and if I were
not married with many people to support, I could care less if I possessed
money or property. I want to serve.
But none of this matters on the internet. This method of bonding first,
then communicating will not work on the Internet.
I will not run from this strange karma. I want to learn from it. Unlimited
bhakti and no way to apply it. Very interesting. I would apologize and
prostrate myelf again, but I think that we are all sick of it.
Other than when I let myself get "catty" because someone is picking at my
ego and attempting to pick a fight, which I do not process well due to the
long abuse, I have nothing to apologize for. I apologize for the sake of others.
It should be interesting to see if universal love (present in all of us) can
make something of this situation, or whether it is not up to the task for the
10th go-arond, and I will let myself be pushed into darkness again. It is this
very karma you see at work here, that has pushed me into the darkness
life after life.
It is my hope, that I will get my head out of my ass, or whatever is the
problem, or just decide it's ok to have no human contact whatsoever, and
to be at peace with that.
Thank you dear friends, for giving me so much to think about.
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 07 2011 : 2:56:00 PM
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Oh,
I wish to add.
I am deeply grateful to Yogani for putting AYP on the web.
Due to the excellent AYP teachings, I have learned to avoid one trap
that has caused me endless suffering.
In an attempt to completely transcend being human, for many lives I
forced open sahasrara prematurely. It was my thought, that if I were
erased, then this karma would be over; my endless cycle of attemping to
be useful, but instead causing discord.
You all are so very very blessed; you have satsang. I have always yearned
for satsang, but never had it.
So Yogani's excelent lessons and posts about the ill-advised nature of
unfolding out of order, and the importance of the Ajna, and the beautiful
technique of focussed Bastrika has been an enormous blessing to me.
I am now comfortable living in Ajna, while sahasrara does whatever it wants
to, on its own schedule. The whole concept of awakening it prematurely to
escape the beatings and rapes and the burnings alive was very flawed.
But having no satsang, not being part of any tradition that would accept me,
I could not learn about my error expeditiously. This is why I worked on my
own home-brew tradition, because I was not allowed to learn from anyone.
Now that Ajna is healthy.. (I won't say fully activated, because I do not currently
possess the wisdom to make such a pronouncement), I am learning much that was
once unavailable to me. Not "cosmic lessons" so much, as simple ones.
For example, if I were to, with all my heart, become a devotee of pure AYP, and
post nothing but straight AYP, then I doubt there would be much friction between
me and others on this forum.
Now, I have always resisted following a dogma, as I have direct experience, and
have little need of dogma.
However by refusing "dogma" I am also showing great foolishness. Call it dogma,
call it inspired wisdom, call it whatever you want.. if I want to be part of
a group, and receive satsang, I need to stop resisting, and simply pay the
entrance fee like everyone else does.
I have noticed that many people have differing opinions, and in fact may only
use parts of AYP. However they do not make an ass of themselves like I have.
There is no reason in the world, I could not carefully study AYP and seek to
master it's exact way of doing things, and only discuss AYP on this forum.
Then I could have satsang.
If my heart led me to speak of different ways of touching the elephant (the One),
without using the words of AYP, that is acceptable too.. that is why I have a
blog, that is why I can write books. That is perfectly acceptable.
I must end this "wanting to be a victim", at the hands of spiritual people karma
I have going. I bring out the worst in people, and then say, "see! look! your
way is shallow and unloving!". Geezus. What a @#$@#$ loser I have been.
I know that i am a worm in the grand scheme of things; but I hope that at the least,
my extreme bhakti, and my willingness to undergo infinite humiliation, if that is
the price to be paid, is at the very least, a small inspiration for others.
Thank You
-Kevin Cann |
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yogani
USA
5242 Posts |
Posted - May 07 2011 : 3:41:44 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by kevincann
The purpose of the post was to recognize Yogani's genius for his approach.
Hi Kevin:
I saw your intention that way. Thank you.
The the so-called "genius" is moving in all of us. We can also call it "the divine flow," which is awakening in everyone everywhere. So there is no special claim on that here. Abiding inner silence is genius wherever it is coming up. Everyone who meditates is a genius in the making.
Sometimes there is a tendency to view AYP as being a bit more vertical, something to be defended. It is true that we want to preserve the baseline teaching, and people can go wherever they want from there in practice. That said, AYP really is as horizontal as you described, designed to be openly transmitted peer-to-peer. So steal away. As it says in Genesis, "Be fruitful and multiply."
Full scope yoga is like mathematics, with predictable causes and effects. No one can own it.
On the internet communications, and writing in general, yes, it is different. Body language has to be replaced with the written word -- a different mode of expression. But the divine flow can be there. It just takes practice to build that connection in the written medium (forums, blogs, emails, books, etc.). In the end, it is about becoming the reader whenever writing. It is the essence of all good communication and action, isn't it? Putting ourselves in the other person's shoes (becoming the other, the One) in everything we say and do. Writing is no exception.
The guru is in you.
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Yonatan
Israel
849 Posts |
Posted - May 07 2011 : 4:14:46 PM
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Hi Kevin,
I appreciate you writing and saying what you feel despite of it maybe not being heard by the other side. It is very admirable.
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Edited by - Yonatan on May 07 2011 4:15:56 PM |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 04:51:51 AM
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Dear Kevin,
I'd like to know more about "Beauty Bandha" if it's possible. Could you open up a topic about it in the other systems and alternate approaches forum.
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=29
Thanks!
Love,
Ananda |
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 10:55:44 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ananda
Dear Kevin,
I'd like to know more about "Beauty Bandha" if it's possible. Could you open up a topic about it in the other systems and alternate approaches forum.
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=29
Thanks!
Love,
Ananda
I am grateful that you have asked.
Yes, of course.
But to take the advice of a wiser man than myself,
I'm going to be more deliberate when writing posts,
so it may be a few days.
Namaste,
Kevin Cann |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 11:47:30 AM
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