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Originally posted by Holy

Seems like god does not want it to be written out. I wrote a pritty long and detailed answer but the heart already said while writing, that it is not good. Yeah, everything was written, one click before sending it, the thumb of the right hand pressed a 4th button on the mouse out of itself and everything was cleaned lol.

Most probably you already know and have what you need.

l&l
holy

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Originally posted by Holy

Hi Chela7,

my routine is AYP + little additions from kriya yoga that help the body to remain more healthy. Added parts are: surya yoga, maha mudra in relation as done in kriya yoga, om japa/om technique, navi kriya.

All add-ons are done in pretty small amounts, but do the big difference for me.

Surya yoga is something Gurunath invented and is like Yogani's brief asana set, but with some differently handled abdomen pulling. So it is very similiar and I added some twists from Yogani's set to make the best out of both. As far as I know, it can be learned on youtube too =P

Maha mudra is in my opinion the best technique to awaken kundalini balancedly. Don't know why, but yoni mudra kumbhak gives the same body-not-good-response while maha mudra is butter smooth. It is also found in AYP, but not part of the main routine-suggestion.

Navi kriya as described before. It also amplifies inner perceptions great times, brings about great detachment to everything and makes the practice very easy somehow. And the health benefits + overall physical fitness makes it worth the extra spent 5 mins for this body here.

Om japa/om technique is taught in very diferent versions. The one from Hans can be learned on his site for free (@Nathan ;)). Ennio Nimis should have a version for free aswell which is more like Yogananda's and Gurunath's (they are practically the same).

Om japa like navi kriya is not found in AYP because over the longterm SBP and DM does it all. If some technique does not add significantly over the longterm, it is skipped. What it does, it brings great balance on all levels, intensifies pratyahara even further and refines the energy flow very much, so bringing the energies into the central channel gets a lot more easy. Plus again the overall health effects on evey level + the extra strength and effortlessness for me makes it also a well spent 10 extra minutes.

There were times I did nadi sodhana before the AYP routine as it smoothed out a lot of things. Then after some time SPB got more and more efficient and nadi sodhana was not needed anymore. But after more deepening I hit the very same wall I always do with AYP alone. And the wall is too thick to compromise with bhakti =P

Due to past overdoings, testings etc. this body here became very sensitive and responsive to everything. DM gets good very fast and goes deep too fast. Breath meditation does not fit bhakti =P Yeah, how to go on with the good AYP-boy? This is the working solution for this body in these times.

I'm pretty sure your body won't need such mixtures. Esxpecially not with Maitreya's method, which is even more fast and intensly deepining into pure bliss consiousness than any other type of meditation I am aware of so far. After 1-2 weeks it is like 6 months of ayp for this body. But yeah, as said, the physical part of the body-mind could not adapt to that kind of awareness growth. His technique was discussed in Nathan's other thread.

To make it short:

- kriya yoga has the most intense and spectrum-wise widest physical transformation and gets subtler and subtler over the years.

- ayp starts more balancedly on many levels, with first focus on the subtle levels. Physical transformation comes later.

- Maitreya Ishwara is like instant enlightenment, forget the physical =P No, not really, but there are no techniques to prepare the physical body for the immense awareness growth other than Maitreya's general living-style guidelines inlcuding food, living place etc. The physical is transformed through awareness alone.

AYP is pure optimization and efficiency, kriya yoga is brute force full spectrum enlightenment without anything left out on the very long term and Maitreya Ishwara's method is for fastest permanent freedom, rest comes as comes ^^

If you remain in one "line", you also get the special grace of that "line". It is something I observed many times. The moment I started mixing, it was like I was alone again. Those times where I practiced e.g kriya yoga alone, the whole kriya people came visiting constantly, helping, giving and playing. The special kriya grace-field showered and showered. MI's alone, that guy "pushed me up" so fast, omg.. AYP alone, insights and thankfulness for Yogani's great great system and easy and controlled progress happened without anythign to worry anymore. The system is very well mapped for all progressing stages.

The karmic obstructions are different in everyone, some are lucky and can go straight easily. Others may land in temporary tetzones and perhaps need to adjust here and there. This body here has deep sufi backround aswell, so what to do with that big mixture of causes =P

Really, I can't help you here, nor give good advice other than: make it simple, practice steadily and deepen into one. What works best for you. Reading the whole thread from the beginning and oberserving your own intentions/questions and answers from "others" till this point should be more than enough to know how to go on. After having read everything, take a big rest of doing nothing and letting whatever whatever.. Remain so till it shines brightly and clearly for you.

Wish you much love :)

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Surya yoga can be done at home also =) If you are in a place where you can do it in front of the sun, that's good aswell.

I haven't practiced the energization technique of Yogananda, but in general whatever loosens and relaxes the body helps in sitting easily and going deep into silence.

Adding om japa could enhance the practice routine significantly, but only if the current one is stable and already have deepend to a good degree. In short, it releases the stored impressions within the chakras and make them available as energy for pranayama and meditation to be purified into their essence and what you yourself are.

The same goes for navi kriya and nadhi sodhana. In general every practice is for the same purpose of making it easier to go deep into silence. Too many techniques that releases too many stored impressions will even be a hinderence to go deep into silence. So a balanced apporach is needed, which means the meditation part should be your guide to tell you if more energy release can be helpful to deepen further or not.

The more energy is released, the longer it takes to smooth out.

Entering into sushumna is no subject of believe, what does your experience say so far? When was it easy, what works for you? What can you keep up and do daily to deepen further and further into sushumna and what becomes too much too fast and does not help in going daily ever deeper into it?

A lot of techniques are available, but what suits you the most. If one technique is enough, lucky guy =P Go for it and remain in peace.

If bhakti still gets higher and no peace in sight, perhaps some other additional technique is necessary. Yogani has found out and I can second it, that a simple combination of pranayma and meditation can be enough.

You wouldn't ask for other techniques, if your current routine was satisfactory already, so perhaps the first question should be: what is missing, what works fine and what not?

We have become too general, perhaps you just need a very small adjustment =P

Maitreya Ishwara's book has many pages where he describes the technique, every time with other words.

In short: feel the energy of the body and whenever you are off, come back feeling :) 'Be aware of, watch, feel, remain witness to'.. are all the same.

Over time, increase the elements of 'being aware of' to the totality of what is moment for moment. Start with feeling, add listening to inner and outer sounds and more and more to everything. Remain so. Whenever you are off, come back to being aware of what is. The start is with the energy field of the body and when the expansion happens naturally, go for it. It will happen sooner or later and even then feeling the energy of the body is enough.

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