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Maximus
India
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 Posted - Jun 23 2010 : 11:04:55 AM
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I don't know what happened, but since the past 2 weeks I'm having too many nocturnal emissions, almost 3 nights per week. Most of the time there is no wet dream, or any dream at all, atleast as far as I can remember. I have always taken care to wear loose shorts while sleeping as either underwear or direct contact with the blanket have been a culprit in the past. I don't think I have much sexual desperation, either. This is cause of extreme concern for me, this frequent loss of energy is way beyond tolerance levels.
Is it possible to do pranayama wrongly that results in this? |
Edited by - Maximus on Jun 23 2010 11:19:18 AM |
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Shivoham
India
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Posted - Jun 23 2010 : 11:27:36 AM
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Have you done anything new from last three weeks?
sit in siddhasana for 10 min before going to bed.It will stop the problem |
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - Jun 23 2010 : 12:37:18 PM
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Last few weeks I have been mentally depressed due to personal problems. That's all.
How will siddhasana stop the problem? We anyway use that position during the yoga. |
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tamasaburo
USA
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Posted - Jun 24 2010 : 01:30:42 AM
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I've noticed a connection between being exhausted and having wet dreams. Specifically, if I sleep more deeply after several nights of bad sleep or insufficient sleep I find there is a strong tendency to have a wet dream on that night, as if too much tension is being let go at once in a kind of energetic "collapse." Also happened one hot summer week without A/C. Kept having trouble falling asleep due to heat and when I would it would be a very kind of exhausted, "finally collapsed due to fatigue"-type of sleep. This caused a few wet dreams in one week, wet dreams that, like yours, basically seemed to come out of a dead sleep and not as the result of some sexual dream.
Try to get regular sleep as much as possible in a cool, well-ventilated room, is my advice. Also, consider if there are other new forms of stimulation, like a new girlfriend, looking at pornography, etc. |
Edited by - tamasaburo on Jun 24 2010 08:52:33 AM |
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - Dec 06 2010 : 12:21:32 AM
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I'm hit by the problem again. Have had several nocturnal emissons in the past month, and everytime it happens, I lay on the bed cursing myself for hours, without the will to get up, wishing I was dead than this happened. It had happened without a wet dream (or I forgot the dream) so I had reasoned that excessive body heat might have caused it, but this morning there was actually a wet dream and a nocturnal emission. I had an exhausting journey yesterday, but can't blame the incident on that, because I can vividly recall the wet dream.
I'm single, and unattached, and quite unsuccessfully trying to attract women. It is as if Goddess semen punishes me wickedly for wasting away life without successfully attracting women, or without putting enough effort into it. It looks as if Goddess will just cast me away dead (by emissions itself) and take another birth as a guy who can successfully attract women and let go and finish the karmic cycle. Leaving me dead of course. No big deal for the Goddess who is operating in countless embodies beings, and deaths and births are a mere play to her. Not so for procrastinating mortals like me.
Is there any male who has experienced a similar situation as me here? And any successful strategy adopted? |
Edited by - Maximus on Dec 06 2010 01:18:22 AM |
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dave
USA
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Posted - Dec 06 2010 : 10:22:41 AM
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Wet dreams are just a part of a young man's life. Its just biology, nothing to be ashamed of. If the wet dreams really bother you, you could masturbate.
Just continue with your practices, don't worry about it, is what I would do. Overtime it will diminish. |
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - Dec 06 2010 : 12:46:30 PM
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Originally posted by dave
Wet dreams are just a part of a young man's life. Its just biology, nothing to be ashamed of. If the wet dreams really bother you, you could masturbate.
lol, one is not expecting replies the likes of a doctor. This is a Yoga website. |
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dave
USA
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Posted - Dec 06 2010 : 2:32:01 PM
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Originally posted by Maximus
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Originally posted by dave
Wet dreams are just a part of a young man's life. Its just biology, nothing to be ashamed of. If the wet dreams really bother you, you could masturbate.
lol, one is not expecting replies the likes of a doctor. This is a Yoga website.
I apologize for thinking that you were discomforted by the emissions in psychological sense.
That said, I think you're attaching to much to your seminal control in my opinion. Like I said in the second part of my response it will diminish in time. Just continue with your practice.
You could think of yourself as steam boiler and the emissions and as relief vent. Till you can channel the sexual energies it will blow occasionally.
I used to masturbate or have sex probably once a day. When I started practices it just started to fall away on its own accord.
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - Dec 06 2010 : 11:54:44 PM
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| Practices by themselves can take one only so far. Ultimately practice and non-practice-time way of living and desires have to work in equilibrium, not in isolation of each other. That's why I mentioned the deeper issues I have in life. |
Edited by - Maximus on Dec 07 2010 12:44:49 AM |
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Chiron
Russia
397 Posts |
Posted - Dec 08 2010 : 01:27:27 AM
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Hi,
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You could think of yourself as steam boiler and the emissions and as relief vent. Till you can channel the sexual energies it will blow occasionally.
This sounds like my experience too. If there is no room for the energy to go upwards and in then it will go down and out.
That space for the energy to travel upwards is created by pranayam, meditation, tantra etc etc..
No use crying over spilt milk, our nervous systems do not change overnight, it is a gradual evolution. There aren't any quickfixes, although siddhasana and/or strong control of the perinium muscle are good starting points.
Regards,
Chiron |
Edited by - Chiron on Dec 08 2010 01:43:00 AM |
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Chiron
Russia
397 Posts |
Posted - Dec 16 2010 : 04:38:51 AM
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Oh and to address the deeper issues you raised. Well, I wish I could, but I never really tried to attract women. Somehow I just knew that someday I would meet the right one. And now I have. Ofcourse she doesn't think so, lol.
Ok ok, seriously. Most of male anxiety is linked to the inability to control ejaculation. At least mine was. Once this is in place, most of your worries connected with women will dissappear, whether you are single or in a relationship. Trust me, Goddess has a beatutiful woman in store for you. As they say.. once the student is ready, the master appears 
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Edited by - Chiron on Dec 16 2010 06:18:19 AM |
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - Jan 01 2011 : 10:27:45 PM
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After the last incident 2 weeks ago, out of frustation I had stopped doing Pranayama with breath retentions - yoni mudra kumbhaka and jalandharas, and restricted myself only to simple SB pranayama and meditation. Since then there has been no incidents so far. It shows that Kundalini Yoga is not for those who are not ready. Goddess has her own will and she cannot be cheated, when the man still has unfulfilled sexual desires, she will simply run downwards.
This also shows the superiority of women's ability to do Advanced Yoga. They don't have these problems. |
Edited by - Maximus on Jan 01 2011 10:59:37 PM |
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showup
USA
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Posted - Feb 27 2011 : 5:08:48 PM
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Restraining prana certainly causes this problem. But there are ways to go around it. Here are my tips.
1) Do not cover up your body when you sleep. Sleep without a shirt or inner garment if that is feasible. The basic idea is to keep the body temperature low. Take a cold water bath if possible before you sleep. If you do physical exercise do it only moderately. Don't do too much which will increase body heat. Drink a cup of milk before sleep.
2) Avoid/reduce chili powder in food. Alternatively u can use black pepper moderately if you want a spicy taste. Tamarind should be avoided. Alternative for sour taste is lemon.
3) Progress in breath holding in pranayama should be a done very slowly over periods of months and with great cation. Sudden increase in intensity of practice lead to this problem. This is because you are controlling prana which is one of 5 primary elements (pancha bhutas). Prana in our body has influence on apana. Apana mediates the function of ejaculation. The controlled prana/apana pushes out when you least exert your control leading to ejaculation. Just reduce intensity/duration by 25% and keep continuing your practice.
4) Complete mastery over sexual function is not easy. Intense pranayama practices need extensive practice of celibacy. Well celibacy not just physically. Not just mentally. Getting ride of the idea of sex all together from mind is NOT sufficient enough. It needs purification even at deeper level. It has to completely go away from your sub-conscious mind. This is because sub-conscious mind is active during REM sleep which can bring out the hidden desires from your memory in the form of dream(s) leading to apana's action. Yogies who do intense pranayama should sleep less than 5.5 to 6 h/day and never beyond 4.00 AM in the morning. Because this is the time when REM sleep dominates and brings in dreams.
I hope this helps. Good luck with your practice.
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Asvinas
Australia
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Posted - Mar 03 2011 : 1:59:51 PM
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Originally posted by showup
1) Do not cover up your body when you sleep. Sleep without a shirt or inner garment if that is feasible (...) Drink a cup of milk before sleep.
Drinking a cup of milk will help with bodily control before going to sleep? I'm not sure I understand how milk helps. Can you elaborate further?
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3) Progress in breath holding in pranayama should be a done very slowly over periods of months and with great cation. Sudden increase in intensity of practice lead to this problem. (...) The controlled prana/apana pushes out when you least exert your control leading to ejaculation. Just reduce intensity/duration by 25% and keep continuing your practice.
I understand. Too much breath holding I have been doing as of late. Just then, I had a weird dream which looked like another Kundalini awakening for it was going through the lower channels to the upper channels. Again it would not move beyond the heart. For some reason, it made my body feel like it had been possessed by an invisible demon and I had been raped inside. I had absolutely no mind control over the whole situation, nor could I banish the goddamned thing. Quite suddenly, I was completely bombarded with extremely strong sexual imagery that seemed to go on for miles and miles with no end. And, yeah I somehow seemed to like it. Dammit, where did all the meditation practise go?
At the end of it all, I felt a sort of release down in my penis, and at the same time, managed to wrest the bloody demon out of my body in the process. I had woken up to find myself having the very first nocturnal emission of my life. I never had it when I was becoming a man, nor do I have a high sexual drive.
Seems I'll need to find a Master to guide me properly on this path. (good luck finding one in Sydney, Australia - that place is anything but community/spiritually inclined.) Do I have to book a flight to India to find a real master? I mean, the closest I ever got was to see Amma personally and up close, and yes, it was quite an eyeopening experience in a way I never expected it to be. And it didn't even come from her! I had learnt a very tough lesson in all that - love flows freely when you least expect it. In other words, do not expect anything, especially of love, for it is a totally ungraspable force and eludes you if you even try to seek it by calling up memories of wonderful times. It seems to only arise if one is constantly in reverie of the world and is totally absorbed in what he or she is doing, especially for the betterment of others.
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4) Complete mastery over sexual function is not easy. (...) Getting ride of the idea of sex all together from mind is NOT sufficient enough. It needs purification even at deeper level. It has to completely go away from your sub-conscious mind.
I actually feel somewhat pissed at myself for having let my what you call the subconscious take over, when I could clearly have woken myself up during the dream and dispelled the damn thing away. Never have I ever had a dream quite this sexual. How would one best deal with a situation like this?
It's been since the last 2 months that I feel like crap and drained of vigor. Just as bad as tho I had sex the night before but way worse. My throat feels dry as fcuk too. Like I had woken up with a bad cold. Is there any way you can train yourself to be consciously awake and in total control during REM sleep?
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This is because sub-conscious mind is active during REM sleep which can bring out the hidden desires from your memory in the form of dream(s) leading to apana's action.
Ah now it makes sense! No dreaming, even when in meditation? Distractions of the mind, not good.
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Yogies who do intense pranayama should sleep less than 5.5 to 6 h/day and never beyond 4.00 AM in the morning. Because this is the time when REM sleep dominates and brings in dreams.
I hope this helps. Good luck with your practice.
Thanks - it will all help here! I'll have to train myself to get up at 5 every morning like I used everyday to when I was younger. |
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showup
USA
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Posted - Mar 03 2011 : 6:42:11 PM
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Drinking a cup of milk will help with bodily control before going to sleep? I'm not sure I understand how milk helps. Can you elaborate further?
It plays the role of vitamins with antibiotics for fever. I mean, a supportive role. It reduces the body heat to some extent but not a lot. Milk's main supportive function is from its ability to support semen formation so that the loss is compensated soon.
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Quite suddenly, I was completely bombarded with extremely strong sexual imagery that seemed to go on for miles and miles with no end. And, yeah I somehow seemed to like it.
Do you know one thing? Seeing miles and miles of sexual imagery in one's dream will not make him ejaculate as long as he is not involved with it. Ejaculation happens only when that person starts to involve with the dream. The minute some one feels like he likes it or he want to see it more......he will ejaculate. That is a fraction of a second lack of (subconscious)mind control which produces the disastrous.
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Is there any way you can train yourself to be consciously awake and in total control during REM sleep?
Well, it is possible. But difficult. Needs real hard work. People may not even try to attempt it. It starts with practicing pranayama and following celibacy at the physical level. The good beginning is to reduce the frequency of sexual act related stuff to as much as once in two months gradually. The second step is practicing celibacy at mental level. This is because the subconscious mind is just hidden mirror image of our own mind and it's practices that are acquired over a period of several years/decades/jenmas. Controlling mind is the difficult part. The way to go about this is to (i) by avoiding and (ii) diverting the mind.
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Putting the head down when walking on the street is an example of avoiding. Even seeing a dressed person of opposite sex brings in significant waves in our mind. Actually in the controlled mind, because when we try to control things, they comes up with more force. Even the mildest stimulation will create big waves which can slow the progress in Yoga. This is the same reason why in olden days, celibates who would like to practice Yoga stayed away from villages or went to forests/hill tops. This practice will reduce the frequency of dreams over a period of time.
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When the mind starts imagining something divert it immediately at the very same moment without letting it go on its way. One should react as quickly as if he touched the fire. This has to be practiced over periods of months. This practice is very, very important. This is the practice that will train the subconscious mind to avoid ejaculation during dreams. When the dream comes a trained mind will have the person woken up immediately from sleep without any loss.
Pranayama practice has to be performed in parallel without which one will never be able to achieve this.
Keep up the good work and good luck in your practices... |
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - Apr 02 2011 : 09:08:34 AM
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| I'm sure showup means good for all, but his advice on 'Avoiding' is misguided and cannot work that way. Those who succeed over lust will be the ones who indulge at will and as much as possible but like an offering to God. |
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - May 06 2011 : 01:35:07 AM
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| Goddammit, I'm losing semen almost every other night now in sleep. I'd be fathering the most number of children in the world if the semen had fell in the right places. Every morning I wake up crying and cursing myself. I don't have any active Kundalini, I don't even do Kumbhaka practices that involve breath holding for fear of triggering more emissions. I don't watch porn,masturbate or fantasise. May be just seconds of some fantisization when seeing an attractive woman, to force myself approach her, nothing beyond that. I don't know why Goddess has to continually punish me like this, for not having a partner. She doesn't care about the low body image I have from a premature baldness leaving me ugly bald, but still I force myself to approach women to please Her, and yet She punishes me every night for not being successful. The same Goddess runs in the spine of other men, but they don't face a problem this intense, only I seem to be despised by Her. |
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manigma
India
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Posted - May 12 2011 : 07:07:04 AM
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Originally posted by Maximus
The same Goddess runs in the spine of other men, but they don't face a problem this intense, only I seem to be despised by Her.
satchitanand had a related problem but not as maximised as yours. I gave him this suggestion which I hope could be helpful to you as well:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....page=2#80061
I remember when I practiced Tantra...
I would bite my hands, clench my teeth, grab my neck, rub my heart, rub my chest, make automatic bandhas, mudras, fall down, roll over, cry, shiver... with sheer orgasmic sensations in every cell of my body.
... anything but never ejaculating.
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - Sep 12 2011 : 11:19:18 AM
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| Another cause has joined the list of causes of nocturnal emission. If I exercise in the evening leaving me very tired, or am physically tired from any other cause, it invariably results in emission during deep sleep without any dream. The brain is causing the semen to eject and wickedly uses it like a sedative to calm the body. As a boy I have had emissions during exams at school whenever I ran out of time, and afterwards I would feel calm. The same mechanism is happening now during sleep. Anyone knows how to correct this problem? I have decided to never exercise any time other than morning, but still I'm not fool proof against getting tired. |
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manigma
India
1065 Posts |
Posted - Sep 12 2011 : 12:23:51 PM
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Originally posted by Maximus
Anyone knows how to correct this problem? I have decided to never exercise any time other than morning, but still I'm not fool proof against getting tired.
Have you disussed this personally with your father? or a doctor? or a Reiki expert?
Do you go to some temple or spiritual place?
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - Sep 12 2011 : 1:04:18 PM
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| What can a doctor do? They won't give a damn about my anguish, their textbooks are full of lies that ejaculation is good. What about the father or others, how can they help? |
Edited by - Maximus on Sep 12 2011 1:26:39 PM |
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manigma
India
1065 Posts |
Posted - Sep 12 2011 : 1:59:14 PM
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Originally posted by Maximus
What about the father or others, how can they help?
Maybe its a family issue, you should discuss privately with your father.
A reiki expert can balance the energy and it might just work.
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Jack
United Kingdom
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Posted - Sep 16 2011 : 09:00:02 AM
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Hi Maximus,
The following works for me when it has been a few days since the last ejaculation and I can feel the sexual energy building again, but need a good night's sleep with no ejaculation.
Before bed, I sit in Siddhasana for five minutes.
I make the mental intention to store and build my sexual energy, by saying silently in my mind something along the lines of, "I ask my body to store and build my sexual energy. I ask for it to strengthen and renew me".
I will then do 3-5 rounds of spinal breathing.
I would guess your crying, cursing and despairing and the mental images you are holding of the situation whilst you are in despair are really telling your body to continue nocturnal emissions. Perhaps you could observe these thoughts from inner silence and begin to put some distance between yourself and the fears, and then set your intention towards storing the energy or using it during your waking hours.
Best
Jack
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Maximus
India
187 Posts |
Posted - Sep 17 2011 : 07:04:14 AM
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Originally posted by Jack
Hi Maximus,
I would guess your crying, cursing and despairing and the mental images you are holding of the situation whilst you are in despair are really telling your body to continue nocturnal emissions. Perhaps you could observe these thoughts from inner silence and begin to put some distance between yourself and the fears, and then set your intention towards storing the energy or using it during your waking hours.
Thanks for your reply. You are right that I'm in deep despair. But how can I not be when my life essences are thrown away night after night? Ironically when the frequency was about once a week I told myself I would stop obsessing about this problem and it would go away, but as if to break my spirit, in the last 10 days I have had about 6 emissions. Unbelievable but true. And worse, it has moved from dream emissions to deep sleep emissions without dream. I'm totally screwed. I'm thinking of going to a urologist but not sure he will help. |
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sshubh
India
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Posted - Sep 24 2011 : 05:35:35 AM
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Hi Maximus,
I understand your situation.
Here are a few things that can work wonder for you:
* Make it a point to do Siddhasan as much as possible; not only during yoga practices. You may do it while reading, just sitting etc. And as someone suggested, remember to do it for 10 mins just before sleep. If feasible, do the proper formal Siddhasan - heel of lower foot pressing gently against perineum and heel of upper foot approximately on genitals comfortably.
* Pray to God that "I sincerely want to merge in You. I am sure that You will help me in preserving my energy so that this energy will be utilized for my spiritual practice." You may change words but attitude is important - full of bhakti and surrender. If you don't believe in God, give auto-suggestion to subconscious that "let there be no emissions; in any situation, I will control myself and conquer the lust"
* Practice the contracting and strengthening the muscles that control the release of Urine. You may do it along with yoga practices and also during daytime.
* Never sleep on your back!!! Always sleep on either left side or right side. (At night, sleeping on left side is better). For details, refer to http://spiritualresearchfoundation....eep-postures
* Don't drink hot milk before sleep
* Avoid spicy foods, onion, garlic etc. And include veg, fruits in your diet
* During waking-time also, don't let thoughts of lust overwhelm you. Think of yourself surrounded and protected by divine light all the time.
And use following technique to reinforce the protection whenever you find time (esp do it before sleep):
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* Be in Shavaasan by laying down on back (if going to sleep after
this, lay down on either side and not on back). Keep feet slightly
apart and palms preferably facing upwards.
* Close the eyes. Take some deep breaths and allow complete relaxation
of body and mind. Adjust any body parts to make them relaxed.
* Do prayer for spiritual goal and for the present practice to be
helpful in taking you nearer to God.
* Start from toes and feet (both the legs). Feel them from inside
(eyes closed). You may feel inner vibrations there. Now feel the God's
light manifesting from inside each cell of toes and feet and slowly
working its way from there towards outside. As this happens, they
become still more relaxed. Then feel those body parts being completely
transformed into God's light - inside and out and over and below. Now
you can feel that area in light and with weightlessness. Remain
thankful to God while all the grace is bestowed upon you.
* Now come up on shins. Do this same above procedure in each detail on
shins. Then on knees. Then thighs. Then pelvic region. Then abdominal
region. Then hands and palms. Then chest and throat. Then face and
head.
* Feel your body completely covered and transformed into God's light -
inside and out and over and below. Remain thankful to God all the
while.
* You will notice that thoughts have significantly subsided. Now feel
God's light dissolving your remaining thoughts also. And all being
transformed into light.
* Now feel the light transforming everything in the suroundings also.
Thus in the end, only God's light remains. Be in this state as long as
possible.
* When it's time to complete the practice, thank God again for giving
this Bhaav and taking this service from you and bestowing His grace
upon you.
* Then slowly become aware of mind and body while still trying to
retain the state of lightness you have gained as much as possible.
Take this lightness and rememberence along with you in all your
further activities.
* Give at least 10-15 minutes for each session. Once you have
practised this method a couple of times, you may do it in any posture
and in any surroundings. This will provide immense freshness and
positive energy. This will also purify the atmosphere.
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God Bless... |
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babaji
India
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Posted - Dec 28 2011 : 02:59:59 AM
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Hi sshubh,
I would like to know more info or details of the practices and origins of the exercises you have given. If you could send me a private message with your e-mail that would be most appreciated.
Blessings,
Cosmic |
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