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Anthem
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 Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 1:05:13 PM
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Anytime I had direct perception of the oneness of it all or expanded it always came from the heart center. Several years back when the inner energies opened up I took a trip pretty far out the crown and observed the fabric of reality and the multitude of thoughts that created the essence of duality. Fascinating stuff, but I thought the scriptures or sages talked about opening the crown for universal consciousness, from here it seems to be the heart that leads to direct perception of oneness?
From the experience here, it seems to be that the knowledge of crown descends to heart and maybe back up to crown again. Anyone have any insight here? |
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Katrine
Norway
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 3:42:54 PM
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Hi Andrew
I don't know if what is felt here is....exactly what you're asking...since I have never ventured out of the crown (as far as I can recall) and never experienced there
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the fabric of reality and the multitude of thoughts that created the essence of duality
but here....oneness ....is certainly felt as heart is open....and at the same time....mind also perceives the oneness as a unified...space......shining. It is felt here that heart and mind are the same when calm and quiet....as if these terms loose their separateness...their ....conceptual meaning.
I have never heard of "the knowledge of the crown"...so don't really know what this is....but recognize well the circle of the energy going up and out of the crown and coming down to heart and then on and on in this circle (it also lands in abdomen). Even though i don't see it, I sometimes feel a strong "beam" going out from Ajna and likewise I almost always feel a "sun" in the heart....it is the sun in the heart that radiates the love the way it is felt here. As far as I am inclined....this love is the only "knowledge" I am interested in.....all the other "fascinating stuff"....I dont know why it is....but it has so far never drawn attention here.....it's strange really.....that I can be so disinterested in the fabric of reality as you called it....but there you have it.....
Also.....the beam from the Ajna.....it is like a lazer....like a directed beam. But the sun in the heart......although it is intuited to be the source of all light....it radiates the most gentle rays.....they never burn........yet the light from it.....it is so light that all I perceive is a blackness.....it is strange..and I don't understand it......but you can say that what radiates from Ajna is a focused beam....while from heart it is a vapour...staying still where it is....yet it shines from all around the front, sides, back, up, down......it is a fine, fine ...instant spray of......the calmest vapour ever. Just one touch from one of those "vapour rays".....it melts everything in here. It is still.....like a feather at rest......yet it shines. And this......it is this that is perceived here as the "fabric of reality"...... Maybe because I don't see much from Ajna. But what I am looking at.....this is certainly One....the Shine is one. I see only one space......only one shine.....everywhere....and these words are taking place in it.....so like this I see myself manifested...but not where I look from 
But when quiet.....it somehow is felt....yet could never say what it is....
So yes....like this....everything is one big heart. And may I one day see the love everywhere the way I see the shine everywhere.....
PS when identifying with something painful.....the vapour-rays are lost touch with for a while...until whatever it is... is processed....but the shine never leaves....isn't that strange....
PPS All the work here now......is about a calm heart.....a calm heart is felt to be the key to everything.... |
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Katrine
Norway
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 3:48:19 PM
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So yes....like this....everything is one big heart. And may I one day see the love everywhere the way I see the shine everywhere.....
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oh......I am so daft.....
That's just it! It can never be seen......oh.....I am so stupid.....
Sorry Andrew.....just saw through a veil here.....it has to do with the first time ...those seven days when bathing in the love and the shine for the first time......I thought I "saw" love....but it was a projection of something that was not integrated......
I have somehow waited for something that has already happened.....gosh how dense is it possible to be......LOL...... ...LOL.......the Shine IS the manifestation of the love.....but the love itself....the quiet love.....this is where we look from.....
Andrew........I am so grateful!!!!
Must be still now.....must be quiet...
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Konchok Ösel Dorje
USA
545 Posts |
Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 4:21:40 PM
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Konchok Ösel Dorje
USA
545 Posts |
Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 4:32:00 PM
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P.S. Causality. When we look forward into the future, we can clearly see how effects flow from causes. However, when we look back into the past, it's not so clear. When the astronomists look back into the Big Bang causality is completely blurry to invisible. If we look at the present only, there is no discoverable cause or effect, which is totally weird.
As we return to the source of all this, distinctions and specifics are lost, destroyed in a sense. Even the physics of ethics makes as much sense as the ethics of physics, though we need not extol upon why.
In a very direct way, I say, by *virtue* of *nature*, all is made right when one's mind is in accord with it, though we need not extol upon why. The moment we pursue such questions, our minds become out of accord with natural virtue. Let it be as it is and we will bear great fruit like the best of trees. |
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standingstone
USA
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 10:13:39 PM
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you might be interested in the IHM research (institute of heart math) neuroscientists have discovered 40,000 nerve cells (neurons) in the heart alone, indicating that the heart has its own independent nervous system sometimes called “the brain in the heart".
http://www.heartmath.org/research/r...e-heart.html
"the heart is the most powerful generator of electromagnetic energy in the body, producing the largest rhythmic electromagnetic field of any of the bodies organs. The hearts electrical field is about 60 times greater in amplitude then the electrical activity generated by the brain" |
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 4:15:20 PM
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Hi Anthem,
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Anytime I had direct perception of the oneness of it all or expanded it always came from the heart center. Several years back when the inner energies opened up I took a trip pretty far out the crown and observed the fabric of reality and the multitude of thoughts that created the essence of duality. Fascinating stuff, but I thought the scriptures or sages talked about opening the crown for universal consciousness, from here it seems to be the heart that leads to direct perception of oneness?
From the experience here, it seems to be that the knowledge of crown descends to heart and maybe back up to crown again. Anyone have any insight here?
You might find this lesson useful if you haven't read it already:
What's the end game in Yoga?
"By the way, neuro-biologically speaking, the jivan mukti/christ stage corresponds with the union of inner silence and ecstatic conductivity evolving up from everywhere in the body, reaching maturity in the head, and then migrating back down into the heart where the spiritual rebirth occurs. So the heart is where we will end up with all this. The heart is the final home of our enlightenment in this body, with the neuro-biology of the whole body supporting that. There is much to do in setting the stage for this final outcome, and that is what AYP is about." [Yogani]
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Scott
USA
969 Posts |
Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 4:39:26 PM
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Standingstone,
Thank you for that interesting link and quote! |
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standingstone
USA
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 9:50:09 PM
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Originally posted by Scott
Standingstone,
Thank you for that interesting link and quote!
yeah no problem. when I found it I printed out all 70 or so pages and went through with a highlighter. there's some great tidbits of info in there.
one of their experiments found that the heart beat signal is actually registered in other people's brain waves when they are in physical contact and even shows a noticeable effect when in more general proximity without touch, such as being in the same room. which I think has major implications for therapy and energy healing. |
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Anthem
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 10:58:34 PM
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| Thanks to everyone for their replies and links. Thanks Christi for pointing to that lesson, it has been a while since I read it so will review. |
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