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alwayson2
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 Posted - Sep 04 2009 : 3:42:34 PM
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There are a bunch of people on youtube that naturally have no frenum.
Has ANYONE actually got to the point (through moderate and prolonged snipping) where it looks like you naturally have no frenum?
My frenum does not diminish anymore. Now it just regenerates LOL. Snipping only worked till a certain point.
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contemplative
USA
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Posted - Sep 05 2009 : 11:46:55 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by alwayson2
My frenum does not diminish anymore. Now it just regenerates LOL. Snipping only worked till a certain point.
After a certain point, stretching is more important than snipping. In fact, some people can learn khecari-mudra without any snipping at all, just through stretching .
I suspect that you must be snipping pretty far back if it is growing back quickly. Is that correct?
If so, you likely have snipped as far as needed and probably should work more on stretching(especially the mouth-click stretch). Also milking the tongue is helpful.
Warm Regards,
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alwayson2
USA
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Posted - Sep 05 2009 : 1:30:24 PM
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The problem is what we call the lingual frenum has two layers.
1) The deeper layer is a tough tendon. Maybe a few here have encountered this. It is pretty much impossible to snip with cuticle snippers. Also a scalpel blade bounces right off it.
2) The superfical layer is the soft tissue which is easily snipped and cut. This is mainly what we talk about here on AYP.
So in conclusion, if you cut all the soft frenum away, and you are at the "tendon frenum", I think you are pretty much stuck unless you get surgery.
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Edited by - alwayson2 on Sep 05 2009 1:32:12 PM |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Sep 05 2009 : 3:20:33 PM
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Hi Alwayson:
Snipping the flesh over the tendon will not provide any progress, as you are finding. It is the tendon itself that holds the tongue down, and it is snipped a little bit at a time with healing in-between. The AYP procedure in Main Lesson 108 is about that.
In most people, the tendon will come to the surface at the center line/edge of the frenum when stretched, and is easy to snip there. Stretch, snip, heal, stretch, snip, heal. That is the sequence for multiple rounds of gradually reducing the tendon to very little restriction of the tongue's upward and back movement.
For some, the tendon does not come to the surface at the center line/edge of the frenum so easily. Then more stretching will be the way to go. There are some more aggressive means for getting at the tendon, which is made of thousands of tiny strands. It can certainly be snipped a little at at time once it is exposed.
Surgery is another option, and if done, should be by a doctor.
All the best!
The guru is in you.
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alwayson2
USA
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Posted - Sep 05 2009 : 3:37:57 PM
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Originally posted by yogani
Hi Alwayson:
It can certainly be snipped a little at at time once it is exposed.
You pinpointed exactly where my doubt is here. |
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yogani
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alwayson2
USA
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Posted - Sep 05 2009 : 4:29:40 PM
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Yogani,
for you personally, did you originally have a frenum, and now it looks as if you naturally didn't have one? |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Sep 05 2009 : 4:56:04 PM
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Originally posted by alwayson2
Yogani,
for you personally, did you originally have a frenum, and now it looks as if you naturally didn't have one?
Yes, and much less now. It took several months of snipping to get into kechari stage 2 initially, and more snipping to go to next stages later on. Stretching/milking was used too, but snipping is what made the most difference in my case. That was over 20 years ago. I continued to snip on and off for many years, while integrating a full range of practices. It was never only about kechari, but the integration of all the practices for best overall results in cultivating abiding inner silence and ecstatic conductivity/radiance. That is reflected in the AYP lessons, I hope. 
The guru is in you.
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paw
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Posted - Sep 18 2009 : 9:21:44 PM
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I snipped some at first, along with vigorous stretching. I snipped only enough to rip and stretch for steady progress. And only until I could reach stage 3.
Now my frenum had disappeared, I can't find any frenum at all now. |
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krcqimpro1
India
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Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 10:46:23 AM
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Hi Yogani,
When Obsidian( in 2005) speaks of a "rounded" edge of the tooled talavya kriya tool, does he mean that the cutting edge is "curved", rather than "round" as he calls it ? I was thinking of getting one made here since it seems a less risky procedure than using a razor edge.
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