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brother neil
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 Posted - Nov 15 2008 : 10:09:13 PM
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when we focus on the third eye chakra for meditation, spinal breathing, etc.. i wonder why. for me this is my VERY limited perspective. everyone talks about love, living in divine love, etc.. well if the whole goal is love, and if love conquers all, why not focus on opening the heart chakra? why not put the attention there instead of the third eye? I have seen many vision from the third eye, no feeling of peace came after, all they were to me was like watching something, birds flying, beautiful woman, beings of light, etc..... For me these are not the goal, i would give up all the "special powers" just to live in the divine love people talk about. so if that is what we seek, why focus anywher other then the heart? if "love conquers all" why dont we just open that, would it not conquer the rest of the "chakras" also if you look at the seven chakras, the heart is the center one, so to me it makes sense to start in the center. But I dont know much about this stuff as i am giong by logic and the mind, body, and god are beyond logic.
just thoughts or more than
i am love, peace, and joy whether or not i recognize it
brother neil
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Nov 15 2008 : 10:21:27 PM
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| It's best not to focus on any one chakra at all. just follow the instructions in the lessons. It is detrimental as a general rule to focus on chakras. |
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Nov 16 2008 : 02:48:43 AM
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Hi Brother Niel,
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when we focus on the third eye chakra for meditation, spinal breathing, etc.. i wonder why. for me this is my VERY limited perspective. everyone talks about love, living in divine love, etc.. well if the whole goal is love, and if love conquers all, why not focus on opening the heart chakra? why not put the attention there instead of the third eye? I have seen many vision from the third eye, no feeling of peace came after, all they were to me was like watching something, birds flying, beautiful woman, beings of light, etc..... For me these are not the goal, i would give up all the "special powers" just to live in the divine love people talk about. so if that is what we seek, why focus anywher other then the heart? if "love conquers all" why dont we just open that, would it not conquer the rest of the "chakras" also if you look at the seven chakras, the heart is the center one, so to me it makes sense to start in the center. But I dont know much about this stuff as i am giong by logic and the mind, body, and god are beyond logic.
There is a lesson on opening the heart chakra here:
http://www.aypsite.org/220.html
and more on the heart here:
http://www.aypsite.org/221.html
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Nov 16 2008 : 03:56:17 AM
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Hi Brother Neil,
I'm pretty sure the reasons why the AYP lessons use Sambhavi mudra (which is the focussing on the third eye that you are talking about) has something to do with:
1.It helps to draw the Kundalini energy out of the Root chakra and upwards as the nervous system is sufficiently purified and ready for it, and
2. If you focused purely on the heart you would never open the Throat, Ajna, or Crown chakra's. Meaning if you did pranayama from root to heart you would only open the bottom chakras.
Divine love is an result of opening the heart chakra (I think) but that is not the end and should not be a focus IMHO. Just follow the lessons and it will happen as it should. Sorry if this seems patronizing or something, I don't feel like I am expressing myself well tonight. My apologies.
Love,
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brother neil
USA
752 Posts |
Posted - Nov 17 2008 : 6:08:46 PM
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thank you for your time and responses. lately for some reason i have been feeling a burning sensation in my heart chakra area, almost like my heart wants to come out of my chest, it is like my chest is wanting to seperate. I dont really know, i dont really understand all this stuff. need to just let go i guess
we are one
brother neil
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Nov 17 2008 : 8:18:44 PM
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| I have found that the heart chakra is not where the heart is, but lower and in the middle. has anyone else discovered this or am I off track? |
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brother neil
USA
752 Posts |
Posted - Nov 17 2008 : 9:06:04 PM
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a thought, or more than
in the book, wilder, they went around tapping people on the breastbone to pass on i am, why not tap them on the third eye if that is where you are supposed to meditate?
we are one
brother neil
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Nov 18 2008 : 12:32:33 AM
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Hi Etherfish,
I have found that when I feel energy in the heart chakra I feel it in the centre, but I don't know about it being lower then the heart. Doesn't seem much if any lower to me. But definitely central in the chest right around the sternum. I also find that when I get that energy in the heart area it often rises up to the throat, where I get a lump in my throat if I don't let the energy continue up to my forehead where I consiquently start crying. This usually happens when I "take on" someone else's emotional pain. Seem sto be happening more often lately. I'm wondering if the lump in the throat as the energy rises and the crying are signs of needing to slow down and purify more, or if it is just a sign of outpouring divine love. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry Neil, I'm ignorant in the matter of your question. No idea. I'll leave it up to the experts. Just wanted to say something to you so you didn't think I was ignoring your post. 
Love,
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arzkiyahai
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Posted - Nov 19 2008 : 6:53:34 PM
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Hi Neil,
Aurobindo, Swami Dayananda, Swami Yogeshawarananda, Swami Jagganath pathik - they all recommend concentrating on heart chakra as the main meditation practice and say its the best place/object to meditate upon in their opinions.
Maybe someone here who does concentrate on heart chakra might like to share their experience.
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Christi
United Kingdom
4513 Posts |
Posted - Nov 20 2008 : 03:24:57 AM
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Hi Neil,
quote:
a thought, or more than
in the book, wilder, they went around tapping people on the breastbone to pass on i am, why not tap them on the third eye if that is where you are supposed to meditate?
we are one
brother neil
The Secrets of Wilder is just a novel. In real life some people do give Shaktipat, and some give shaktipat through the third eye. I do this sometimes.
Some people also meditate on the third eye, but in AYP there is no physical location for the mind during meditation. Sambhavi is used by some people during meditation, but this is simply the direction that the eyes are looking in during meditation. The mind does not need to focus on the same place as the eyes. This is how it is possible to practice sambhavi during spinal breathing pranayama. The eyes are focussed on the third eye, whilst the point of focus moves with the breath betweeen the root chakra and the third eye (or out beyond it).
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emc
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Posted - Nov 20 2008 : 03:40:13 AM
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Christi: quote:
some give shaktipat through the third eye. I do this sometimes.
How do you "do" this? What happens?
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brother neil
USA
752 Posts |
Posted - Nov 20 2008 : 8:13:51 PM
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I did not realize that in ayp there was no location of meditation. since he talked about furrowing the brow, i assumed that the eyes go there are well. My assumptions are not always right are they.
take care
we are one, in the same
brother neil
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