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Ananda
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 Posted - Oct 23 2008 : 11:10:28 AM
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namaste my friends,
i'm just sharing this post out of my own experience to tell you that keeping the sexual essences inside even when a person practices tantric practices now and then works a lot more better then directing them out.
my personal experience with the matter is that when i preserve and cultivate my sexual energy with pranayama b4 deep meditation it's just beauty all over the place.
the more i preserve it and practice, the more ecstacy and pure bliss conciousness is there and more purification and light is in there; you can even see the light within by your inner sight.
on the other hand, if the sexual essences are directed outside of the body during that time it's the peak of ecstacy but afterwards all of that ecstacy and pure bliss conciousness seems to be less present during daily practice until after a week and a half or so of preserving sexual essences and cultivating them.
light and love,
Ananda
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YogaIsLife
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Posted - Oct 23 2008 : 11:55:16 AM
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Thank you Ananda for the tips.
Interesting...I hear a lot hear about preserving the essences. It makes sense but for me it is difficult. I am still in a very very un-tantric stage (although I would love and aspire to be tantric) in that it is hard for me not to ejaculate. I just seem to have the need for it every other day. It gives me pleasure and calms me down. I feel like if I don't I am containing myself and not gaining much, but probably it is a misconception. I have dificulty in, when in sexual stimulation, even if I can last for longer, not to ejaculate at the end. It feels like I "haven't finnished the job" and it feels like a small frustration lingers on and I see it as negative...but maybe it is not. How do you do to remain tantric and not have that thirst for quick orgasmic and still feel no frustration?(well, I guess this is the million dollar question...) |
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Oct 23 2008 : 12:00:09 PM
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I find very similar results as you Ananada. Unfortunately my wife and I are half-assed trying to get pregnant and she gets upset when I refuse to ejaculate for many weeks on end. Oh, the woes of being married. hahahaha.
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Ananda
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Posted - Oct 23 2008 : 1:18:21 PM
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thks for the laughs Carsonzi  , if you want to have a kid i say the hell with preservation just go for it and do it without practicing tantra that's something sacred which should be as natural as it can be.
bringing a child to this world is the biggest manifestation of outpouring divine love there can be.
to my dear friend yogaislife i've been where you're at, time after time if you give it a try now and then it will work out itself and the periods will tend to become longer and longer.
just keep on practicing, that's the main key to succeed in yoga and in everything in life "perseverance."
light and love,
Ananda
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Oct 23 2008 : 1:59:35 PM
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Yes, I can't wait to be a father. I can't wait to shower love upon my child. But preservation is still important to me. Too much loss of seminal fluid makes me spiritually energy-less and my spiritual energy has become quite important to me as of late. My wife is pretty laid back, unlike some women, and is not trying to give me ultimatums or anything, we just both would like to be parents. It will happen when it happens is my perspective. And when it happens it will be right. But for now, I try to keep her satisfied, as well as myself. A fine comprimise but it seems to be working. Glad I could make you laugh. That was my real intention with the above post.
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Edited by - CarsonZi on Oct 23 2008 2:01:10 PM |
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YogaIsLife
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Posted - Oct 23 2008 : 3:29:38 PM
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Thank you Ananda!  |
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brother neil
USA
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Posted - Oct 23 2008 : 6:11:37 PM
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Brother carson,
some people seem to believe there are methods where you can figure out when she is able to get pregnant. maybe look into that if you havent and save the seed until the time of the month she would be more receptive. This may make the seed more powerful too.
best of luck
we are love, we are peace, we are joy
i am brother neil
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Oct 23 2008 : 8:40:00 PM
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Hey Neil,
Yeah this is what we are doing. (ejaculation during ovulation) But sometimes I find it hard to want to release it after a month of saving it! It's like saving your pennies as a kid and not wanting to spend it after a month cause you want to see how much you'll have by a year. Regardless, I'm really not concerned....I was just joining the conversation for humor really. A hidden side of me
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cosmic_troll
USA
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Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 12:36:50 AM
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Originally posted by YogaIsLife
How do you do to remain tantric and not have that thirst for quick orgasmic and still feel no frustration?
Hi YogaIsLife,
You keep practicing, both tantra and sitting practices. I find that the thirst for orgasm and frustration diminish over time, with continuing practice. I think it's partly because pre-orgasmic sex becomes more and more pleasurable (and satisfying) over time, and because the benefits of cultivation become more apparent. At some point, these may outweigh the desire for orgasm/ejaculation.
Tantra is easily the "clunkiest" of all AYP practices I've tried so far. There is this limbo between regular and tantric sex where you're not feeling the benefits of cultivation, but you're also missing out on the pleasure of orgasm. Thank God this passes
Best Wishes!
cosmic |
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newpov
USA
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Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 06:43:50 AM
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| cosmic, thank you for this. |
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YogaIsLife
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Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 08:17:06 AM
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| Thank you cosmic, will do! |
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Ananda
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Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 2:14:04 PM
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dear Carson just a little advice i heard from an organ doctor a few years back.
if the sperm is old then it isn't fresh, it should be anew between 1 to 3 days after that it's not that good and when they ask someone to take the seed test they tell him the same thing and that he should give them the sperm between these three days.
just my 2 cents on the matter, try it you have nothing to lose plus these are not my words they are of a specialist.
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 2:17:54 PM
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Hello again Ananda,
So you are saying that if my wife and I want to get pregnant that if I am celibate for a month and then ejaculate once in attempt to inseminate, there is little to no chance that it will work unless I have sex again within 3 days and try again with "new" sperm? Am I understanding you correctly? Sorry for the need for clarification.
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Ananda
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Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 3:08:01 PM
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yep, from the doctor's saying it seems so.
again these are the words of a specialist not mine. |
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 3:39:49 PM
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Thanks for the info Ananda. I will definitely keep it in mind....I'm sure my wife will be plenty happy to here this too.
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brother neil
USA
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Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 11:09:45 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ananda
yep, from the doctor's saying it seems so.
again these are the words of a specialist not mine.
does this doctor have any experience with the clutivation of sexual energy? For me, the answer to that would make a difference into how much weight i would give to his belief. If you hold your seed out of love for yourself, love for your wife, life for "God" would those seeds not expand in love? imo, doctors play in a territory where the insight is missing a few key elements. So as you may have heard before, you might want to get a second opinion That is my .02, which may not be gospel
we are love, we are peace, we are joy, we cultivate and expand in love
we are that which we are
brother neil
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 02:35:51 AM
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I wonder about this too Neil, but even physical evidence seems to suggest for me that Ananda's doctor is correct. I had an experience in my afternoon meditation session today where I was trying out Spinal Bastrika for a couple of minutes and today while doing this I got an instant erection, and was so aroused I couldn't keep from moaning in sheer ecstasy. And despite sitting in siddhasana and despite the fact that I never even touched myself, I had an orgasm of existential proportions. Because I was sitting in siddhasana I didn't ejaculate much (blocking technique basically), but what did sperm did come out was so thick and "clumpy" for lack of a better word that it did not seem anything like ejaculate other than the color and where it came from. Maybe this was "old" semen. It has been about 3 weeks since I had an orgasm so maybe the "doc" is right. I can't imagine that what came out could have got anyone pregnant. It was so thick and sticky that it wouldn't have gone anywhere I'm sure. Sorry if this is way too much information.
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Katrine
Norway
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Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 06:07:35 AM
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Hi Cosmic Troll
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Tantra is easily the "clunkiest" of all AYP practices I've tried so far. There is this limbo between regular and tantric sex where you're not feeling the benefits of cultivation, but you're also missing out on the pleasure of orgasm. Thank God this passes
Christi told me that Tantra is more than just Tantric sex. I didn't know what a "Tantrika" is...can't remember the post where the expression occured now.....anyway, I asked and was told that it is one that practises Tantra. So I read Yoganis Tantra book again (stupid not to have done that in the first place..... .....since everything is covered in Yoganis writings - everything except my own direct experience which is what I am here for in the first place) - and sure enough, from reading his book on Tantra I understood that I have been a Tantrika since I started to meditate 20-some years ago!
Deep meditation...Pranayama....the sitting practises....these are tantric practises. As it turned out....I only had not practised the Tantra practise that concerns itself with sex between myself and a partner. But......since the rising of ecstatic conductivity in the shushumna more than 4 years ago......the lovemaking has taken place inside anyhow. Without a partner.
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There is this limbo between regular and tantric sex where you're not feeling the benefits of cultivation, but you're also missing out on the pleasure of orgasm.
Now...before the rise of ecstatic conductivity......this long fase.....where "nothing" is happening......it is the exact same fase we go through when we don't perceive the presence that we are......and yet we are asked to not indulge the mind.....to cultivate our attention.......even before we experience our own presence....and not only that.....we are asked to cultivate it even though it means feeling the suffering more strongly.....because so many things surface......and how can we know it is only for a while?......and yet we have to go by faith alone....for a long time it was like this for me, anyhow......
and so I am grind down....again and again.....the identification with mind is pushed at....poked.....stirred.....so that it may show itself.......again and again be exposed......it is shown again and again that I am identified with mind....no end to it.......and I am told again and again to cultivate my energy....to not let it dissipate by indulging in the minds roamings......and yet even though I indeed cultivate the energy.....because the inner longing for truth is strong....and I am desperate for truth.....and I simply know that I am not consciously experiencing it....even so seamingly nothing happens for a while....
But it is the willingness to accept all that I am...all of it...desires and what nots.......and the inclination to experience this that I am.....desires and what nots......through saying yes! to life....through engaging in life.....it is this that makes tantra appealing to me. The fact that it allows everything....only move into it with awareness.
And I understand that that is why everything is holy to me now......since it is awareness itself that is the sacredness....and it is this that we bring to all that we experience.....
And so the sitting practises - especially Deep Meditation - are essential. Without them....none of this would have worked for me. Since Awareness/Silence is cultivated only by Awareness/Silence.
One day.....something else finally happens. The glimpses start to come.......and they are like the first taste of an orgasm......and it makes it slightly more bearable because for the first time I experience directly. And this makes such a difference! It is such a turning point....because there is actually proof that THAT is already here. Then it all boils down to "how much do I want truth"......(bhakti)......set up against "how stubborn am I"....and these two meet each other again and again......until one day....the pain of not staying present is held up against the Joy of staying present....and the pain cannot live then......and from then on the focus is single....more and more Bhakti
So eventually this stubborn woman did what she had been told for so long more on a full time level (although not all the time...still I roam with mind....I just notice easily...and therefore can come back more easily).....not that "staying in" is a gradual thing....it is always instant.....the letting go is always instant......but to be consistantly staying home....to be stable in that....happens gradually and over time.
Also.....I have ...for some strange reason....never been afraid of my own desires. This turns out to be a blessing......because.....not being afraid of them.....I have allowed myself to be intimate with the desires....be it sex or any other desire. And intimacy can only happen if I move into it with all of my being. This always implies a risk of being overwhelmed by them. It is dangerous in a way.....a lot more dangerous than being forced into celibacy. Since there is greater suffering when the desires are not met (in direct proportion to the energy I put into it). So the "being overwhelmed" has happened a lot of times......both by the desires and the suffering. But.....somehow.....if I allow myself to indulge for the while it takes to understand....then at least I am present to what is happening....and now I know that this presence is awareness.....and when awareness touches experience.......only then will I directly experience what the desire is....and more importantly....what it is not.
As it turns out....no other desire than the desire to directly experience myself as I am truly fulfills me. There is only a temporary quenching of the thirst at best........until the next desire surfaces. On and on like this.....until one thorroughly tires of it. Until one experience the futility of it.
So yes - I guess it is the same thing you are talking about, Cosmic Troll.....when you say that "the benefits of cultivation are not yet felt", and you are "missing the pleasure of the orgasm".....and "thank God this passes"......yes. As I see it the "clunkiness" is the same in all the limbs of the practise......the resistance is the same.....and also the glimpses are the same.....
And the ongoing Love, Clarity and Joy is the same.
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Christi
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Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 06:45:19 AM
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Hi Cosmic Troll,
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Tantra is easily the "clunkiest" of all AYP practices I've tried so far. There is this limbo between regular and tantric sex where you're not feeling the benefits of cultivation, but you're also missing out on the pleasure of orgasm. Thank God this passes
I don't know if you know it, but "Bramacharya" literally means "Walking with God". So next time you are not having an orgasm, just smile and think how lucky you are to have such a good walking companion. |
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cosmic_troll
USA
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Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 12:08:17 AM
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Katrine, thank you for the beautiful reminder of the greater scope of Tantra. I used the term in a much narrower sense, but you're right about all the sitting practices being tantric. All of the Eight Limbs (and more) are included in Tantra.
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Originally posted by Katrine
But it is the willingness to accept all that I am...all of it...desires and what nots.......and the inclination to experience this that I am.....desires and what nots......through saying yes! to life....through engaging in life.....it is this that makes tantra appealing to me. The fact that it allows everything....only move into it with awareness.
This appeals to me too... the allowing of everything, how Tantra embraces all of Life. The total acceptance is very beautiful
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Originally posted by Christi
I don't know if you know it, but "Bramacharya" literally means "Walking with God". So next time you are not having an orgasm, just smile and think how lucky you are to have such a good walking companion.
Christi, I wasn't aware of this meaning of Bramacharya. It's very appropriate though. I'll take your advice and smile next time I... walk... |
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Emil
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Posted - Nov 13 2008 : 07:41:21 AM
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Hi Ananda,
Thanks for sharing. I need to tell you this.. you belong to a portion of the population who's lucky enough to be able to experience bliss. I belong to the other portion. I follow all the instructions, keep it in, don't let it out, continue for years and I see no light, feel no ecstasy and experience no bliss. I feel more energetic and "whole" but no fancy feelings.
I don't know which portion is bigger.. I might be belong to a super minority but that doesn't matter. I'm just telling you this so that you'd appreciate what you have and where you are on the path. |
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YogaIsLife
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Posted - Nov 13 2008 : 09:05:41 AM
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Hi all,
Recently I had some breakthough in tantric sexual practices and thought you might be interested:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=4693
Well, Emil, from my experience the first and most important step is meditation or inner silence and pranayama maybe. I believe that is the key. Keeping sexual essences is certainly a boost, from my recent experience I can attest that, but it is not the main cause of ecstasy or inner silence rising. In fact, I think keeping essences inside by whatever means won't mean much if your whole system is not being purified by rising inner silence. Look at all sexual weirdinesses going on with some celibatic clergy, to give just an example. Too active orgasmic sexual life is also not the answer so the middle ground has to be found, and I think inner silence helps a lot in this.
You say you feel more energetic and whole - that in itself is a pretty good feeling and effect, calling it fancy or not does not really matter. I don't think we do yoga to see lights and all that, but to feel better with ourselves and the world, to feel whole like you say. |
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Ananda
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Posted - Nov 13 2008 : 10:25:40 AM
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hello Emil, i agree a lot with yogaislife's post plus where you're at right now isn't a joke it's a good sign that things are working for you just hold on and practice safely and you'll get there.
and one thing i can attest to is that sooner or later if you're doing yogani's advanced yoga practices as instructed + with the use of some common sense it's a deffinite thing that you're going to experience all that stuff.
and to say if i'm lucky or not, that's a possibility but to loot at it in that way would mean that life isn't fair and this is where reincarnation sheds some light on the fairness of it all.
(not only in this situation but on everything else in general)
but what's most definite is that i didn't get here during this life time just by chance i earned it by working hard for it and keeping steady in daily practices and following instructions to the letter.
each one's journey is different, we all have past habbits and practices maybe from past lives even who knows but that point deffinitely explains a lot the cases like krishnamurti and other advaita teachers. (too bad we can't prove that reincarnation is true)
wish you all the best on your path my brother, and don't worry you're on the road to experience what i mentioned and what's beyond also. (mountains of obstructions are being purified just from one session of deep meditation)
all the best,
Ananda |
Edited by - Ananda on Nov 13 2008 10:43:29 AM |
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