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Originally posted by Richard

Hello neli

You seem to have lots of high energy experiences don't you. I think it has been said before that you should slow down just try doing 20 mins of med twice a day and nothing more if you do that you should begin to stabilise.

As far as Wicans and magicians go they have no power over you at all unless you alow them to. The best defence against magic and curses is laughter just laugh at it and it can never harm you, also the inner silence attained through deep meditation is unpenatrable nothing can get to you past that so chill and be happy

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Originally posted by mahabaratara

Neli...

The energy systems that are at work here are the biggest kept "secret"...

Certain elelements love to ridicule these practices whilst knowing full well their power...

I cant speak for the physical sensations you are having because I have humbly wiped the slate clean and I am learning as a total novice...

But as for this energy being directed for "negative" purposes...

Well I have to say yes...

Just surround yourself with the love of God and be safe in the knowledge of your *own* power to protect yourself...

Maha

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Originally posted by maya_1347

Good Day Neli;

Visualize yourself within a bubble of white light secure and at peace -
no one is able to get there.

Also when you are meditating and practicing your breathing - visualize the air -
as a pillar of light coming from the universe
passes through your body as well as your feet then goes to the earth.
This pillar of light is always within you holds you
strong - your are attached to the mother earth and the sky.

Love and Light
Maryam

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Originally posted by Richard

Hi neli

Maryam's advice is good, just surround yourself with the the bubble of light whenever this so called friend is near you or whenever you feel threatened or afraid, that will give you confidence but in truth the only person that can harm you is yourself, no one has power over you its all just stories to make you feel vulnerable these people cant be true wicans there maxim is

"Harm no one do what thou wilt"

These people are fakes or this person you know is making it all up thats how these sort of people work to scare you and manipulate you only you are in control of your life, you create everything around you no one else.

When I said laugh at these people I didn't mean out loud in their face that can make some people become physically violent I meant laugh inside and then they will be powerless to harm you

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Originally posted by mahabaratara

I am saying that its about intention...

The all pervasive energy that surrounds everyone and everthing is what I term the "absolute" (God)...Thats the essential nature of it...

My specific point is those humans that have gained some knowledge and used it to manipulate others for self gain...

Does this happen...

Ofcourse it does but like I said put your faith in Love and nothing else...

Its about reclaiming your own power...

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Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice

Hi Neli
When the soles of you feet start to wave, that is either your etheric body and/or astral body that is dissociating itself from the physical body. If you'd like to learn more about this I would suggest a book called "Mastering Astral Projection" by Robert Bruce.

For protection, I would do any or all of the following:
- Ask for Love and Protection from God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Hold you hands in prayer position and say out loud: "I ask for love and protection from God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit." Say it three times. Sometimes, instead of asking for love and protection, thank them for the love and protection too. (They really like that.. )

- Go to a rock shop and buy a chunk of jet and a rod of black tourmaline. These two crystals are reknown for grounding, protection from Magic and Wicca and should help ground you and stop your aura from leaking. Carry them on you at all times. Every three or four days, hold them under cold running water for a few minutes to clear them.

- Take a bath and put 1/3 cup of sea salt in it. That will help clear you and dissolve any negativity that is accumulating in your aura. For more information about the aura, protection and other phenomenon, see http://www.clairvision.org/ckb/ckbe...00_0003.html -the free ebook is called "Awakening the Third Eye."

- Don't drink alcohol or do drugs. Doing so creates huge holes in your aura where your energies can leak out and other things can get in.


- I like buddhism. I especially like the part that says that "all phenomenon are empty and lacking of any inherent existence" including the buddhas and higher beings.

Why don't you like Kunlun energy? It could well be the easiest, most readily available and powerful energy known to peoplekind. It will clean out your pathways (nadis, etheric channels, auric bodies) and accelerate any spiritual progress you are making.. (Each to his/her own I guess.. )


OM SHANTIH


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Originally posted by Divineis

Neli, I'd like to emphasize what Richard said.

"As far as Wicans and magicians go they have no power over you at all unless you allow them to."

Basically... unless the intention or the desire is there, you have not to worry... in other words, as long as you're honest with yourself, happenings like these wouldn't even be blamed on "the other". It's a mutual two way thing.

So in other words... DON'T WORRY. What you set yourself up to happen in the realm of consciousness, will happen, and what you don't, won't. (I won't make a rule out of this, but from what I've seen regarding any such "energy exchanges" regarding two persons consciousness, the intention has to be there for both. I almost didn't even say anything, because I don't want anyone getting paranoid. Honestly, forget I said anything :) haha).

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Originally posted by maya_1347

We are one.
We are lights interconnected. When you get connected to the source you feel protected, secure, and trusted.
The exercise I recommended was just reinforcing your connection and building up your inner peace and strength.
You are part of universal light.

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Originally posted by neli


Hi Tibetan

Thanks for your advice ! I didn't know that it was my ehteric body or astral body trying to dissociate, but what for ? to fly ? I'm trying to make an OBE but am like kind of stuck since time ago.

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I'm not a christian, does it still work ?

Well I believe in Shakti, Kali, and other energies, but I am a sort of pantheist.

Can I thank Baba Muktananda, Babaji, and Shakti, instead ?

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I have black tourmaline, I only lack the jet rock.

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Do you think my aura is leaking? is it because its pouring down most of the time ?

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When I put the wool blanket under my feet while in meditation, the energy began to pour down all the time, I think it was the Tummo energy that was flowing up from my feet but I don't know, it was hot and wavy, like chills of heat, and sometimes was cold.

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I've been doing all the time the pranayama breathing, to clean the sushumna, but when I feel it is when is in the ajna, I don't feel it in my spine.

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I've been reading all the kunlun threads in here, and I like it, also I have been practicing the mudra of the thumbs on the temples to have lucid dreams, and it works! I just do it for minutes, after the K meditation. Also the massage on the belly area where the energy is stored, to avoid that the energy stores in another areas. I only miss the movement of the legs, I think it has to happen alone, do I have to do it on my chair, or on the floor ?

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I don't think that K energy can interfere with kunlun, I think the energies are very intelligent and know how to work each other.

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Originally posted by neli
Can you tell me if I can do both meditations, the kunlun, and the Kundalini ?

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Hi Tibetan

Thanks for your advice ! I didn't know that it was my ehteric body or astral body trying to dissociate, but what for ? to fly ? I'm trying to make an OBE but am like kind of stuck since time ago.

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Yes, the astral body can fly, go to other places on earth or other planes. The wavy disorientating feeling that you get is when your consciousness is transferred to your astral body. You don't have to worry about dying or leaving your body for good because the astral body is tied to the body through a silver chord which will snap you back into the body if you get into trouble.

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I'm not a christian, does it still work ?

Well I believe in Shakti, Kali, and other energies, but I am a sort of pantheist.

Can I thank Baba Muktananda, Babaji, and Shakti, instead ?

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I read, from Shri Anandi Ma that all deities are manifestations of the on God. Ram, Vishnu, Krishna, Jesus, all the saints, every one of them/us are manifestations of God and the God within us. If you ask me if Jesus would help someone whom is not christian, I would say YES because religion does not play a part in God's love for us all. Religion is man made.. However, it would help if you asked from Love and Protection from a deity that you believe in.

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I have black tourmaline, I only lack the jet rock.

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Make sure to keep the black tourmaline on you. It is a very powerful stone. You can sure feel it work when you hold it in your left hand.

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I don't know if your aura is leaking. A downward flow is a good thing and you should be able to intuitevely sense the quality and type of energy it is. Does it feel good? Does it awaken your bliss and love? You can probably tell me more about different tastes and types of energy than I could tell you.

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When I put the wool blanket under my feet while in meditation, the energy began to pour down all the time, I think it was the Tummo energy that was flowing up from my feet but I don't know, it was hot and wavy, like chills of heat, and sometimes was cold.

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Yes, that is good. The wool blanket should prevent leakage downwards and repel the earth's energy which may drain your energies.

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I've been doing all the time the pranayama breathing, to clean the sushumna, but when I feel it is when is in the ajna, I don't feel it in my spine.

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Well, that might take a while but I believe that the AYP spinal breathing is a good thing. Eventually, as you move your attention up and down the sushumna, you will notice that heat or prana or chi will start to follow your attention. This will help clear out the sushumna. Also, the sushumna is not the spine (in my opinion). The sushumna is actually part of the etheric/astral/mental/causal bodies. The spine is the physical counterpart and easier for most people to visualize.

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I've been reading all the kunlun threads in here, and I like it, also I have been practicing the mudra of the thumbs on the temples to have lucid dreams, and it works! I just do it for minutes, after the K meditation. Also the massage on the belly area where the energy is stored, to avoid that the energy stores in another areas. I only miss the movement of the legs, I think it has to happen alone, do I have to do it on my chair, or on the floor ?

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To do Kunlun 1, you should put a wool blanket on the floor, then put a wooden chair on top of that. You should be seated on the chair, and not leaning on the back of the chair. Then, sit in the chair and do the first part of the meditation which is to imagine yourself floating in the sky. As you breathe in you imagine misty white light entering your body and filling you up. Your body becomes white light. Then, on the exhale, you imagine smoke or dark mist coming out of your nose. Do this for 10 minutes or so. This is actually a method of prana/chi gathering.

Next, you sit on a chair and put your right hand at your neck, facing downwards, and your left hand below your navel facing upwards. This joins or makes a connection from the lower body to the upper body. Then you raise your heels off of the floor and hold that position (remember to smile and just let go). Eventually, your calves start to tire and a reflex action kicks in which causes the legs to bounce up and down. (I used to do this all of the time in Church when I was a kid..) When you legs start to bounce, you can lose the hand positions and put your hands where you want to. I usually put them on my legs so they bounce along with the legs. Then, smile and let go. Become mindless and go with the flow.. The main secret to Kunlun is that it is an emotional practice, not a mental practice.

If the leg bouncing doesn't start, it says in the book that you can start to rotate your lower abdomen/spine in circles and that should get it going. I've heard of several people who get the flow in the upper body first, and then down to the legs.. Everyone is different, I guess. What I do is just start my legs bouncing consciously and then back off and let go until they bounce on their own.

After bouncing, smiling and letting go for a while (20-40 minutes), then you slowly move your heels back down and tell the energy to slow down. Then, you put your hands, left over right, at your lower abdomen and hold that pose for 10 or 20 minutes to store the energy. This is similar to story qi in the lower tan tien.

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I don't think that K energy can interfere with kunlun, I think the energies are very intelligent and know how to work each other.

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Max does say that the two energies do not mix and many Kunlun practitioners don't perform the two at the same time. It says that practicing Kulun and Kundalini could be dangerous, resulting in energy sickness. Me personally, I don't believe that. This point has been debated at the www.thetaobums.com forum.

Kunlun will open you up and clear your channels. If your kundalini is flowing, this will increase your kundalini flow too. Since Kunlun does work rapidly to clear your nadis, it is a good idea to go slow and self pace..

As well, there are stories coming out about people's body parts disappearing from practicing the higher levels of Kunlun.


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Can you tell me if I can do both meditations, the kunlun, and the Kundalini ?

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Hi Neli
I'm not sure what your kundalini meditation is, perhaps you could describe it?

I do my kundalini meditations, chakra activation meditations, mantra meditations (and various others) and the Kunlun chi gathering too, just not at the same time.

Yes, your leg movements might have been a form of Kunlun energy working. The interesting thing is that I found a book on "Magic" that says the the lower body is magnetic and the upper body is electric. So, any shaking in the lower body is going to free up some magnetism and make the charge stronger..

http://www.scribd.com/doc/301820/In...Franz-Bardon

Oh yes, that book contains some lessons on how to levitate..


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When the energy pours down sometimes I feel great, and blissful, but sometimes I don't feel anything, just the energy pouring down, but sometimes and this is the amazing thing, I feel it like honey pouring down from the top of my head, thick and slowly covering part of my face, kind of sticky, like a "nectar". I haven't tasted it, but I have smelled it, and its sweet, like a candy. Sometimes it pours down and gets into the third eye, like if this chakra were hungry and eat all the nectar. But it havent get inside my mouth.

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Yesterday I began with the bouncing, I was bouncing my legs consciously, but nothing happened, I will repeat it again, or make the rotation of the abdomen, maybe it failed cause I was sat on the floor, on a cushion, with my legs on the floor and the heels up, but I think it has to be on a chair.

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Originally posted by neli
I prefer the levitation than the void that pulls me out of my body when I enter the non physical jhanas, cause it comes without advice, and paralyses me even with the eyes opened.Then I don't know where is my body, I lost control of my body, I mean there's no body. Once a blue nimitta engulfed me and put me out of my body, and I was very scared, so I begged the blue pearl to put me back into my body, and it did it, it was a very respectful nimitta.

Thanks for the book

Sat Nam
Neli

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When the energy pours down sometimes I feel great, and blissful, but sometimes I don't feel anything, just the energy pouring down, but sometimes and this is the amazing thing, I feel it like honey pouring down from the top of my head, thick and slowly covering part of my face, kind of sticky, like a "nectar". I haven't tasted it, but I have smelled it, and its sweet, like a candy. Sometimes it pours down and gets into the third eye, like if this chakra were hungry and eat all the nectar. But it havent get inside my mouth.

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Hi Neli
I've experienced that too. A slow honey-like liquid oozing down from the crown on the inside of my head, feels like molasses moving slowly downward. That is the Holy Ghost! I was in a church (20 years ago) and the whole sermon was about the Holy Ghost. At one point we all stood up, held hands and prayed to the Holy Ghost for something. I felt a tickle on the top of my head and then this liguid slowly oozed down on the inside of my brain and went into my throat. A voice said to me "you can speak in tongues" After that I could speak in tongues..
Both of my female friends told me later that they had prayed that I get blessed by the Holy Ghost and receive tongues.. So that is how I know that that is the Holy Ghost.

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Yesterday I began with the bouncing, I was bouncing my legs consciously, but nothing happened, I will repeat it again, or make the rotation of the abdomen, maybe it failed cause I was sat on the floor, on a cushion, with my legs on the floor and the heels up, but I think it has to be on a chair.

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Yes you have to be sitting up straight on a chair.


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Originally posted by neli
I prefer the levitation than the void that pulls me out of my body when I enter the non physical jhanas, cause it comes without advice, and paralyses me even with the eyes opened.Then I don't know where is my body, I lost control of my body, I mean there's no body. Once a blue nimitta engulfed me and put me out of my body, and I was very scared, so I begged the blue pearl to put me back into my body, and it did it, it was a very respectful nimitta.

Thanks for the book

Sat Nam
Neli

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Hi Neli,
You know, you are quite advanced..

The blue pearl? How did you come to know the blue pearl? Have you ever read Muktananda or are you just making this up?

Is this a good book on the nimittas and jhanas?
http://books.google.ca/books?id=CrTRvmN9wQUC

Try the "Preview this book" button. I think it is fascinating. I'm thinking of ordering the book because it has good detail, tells you what to do with the lights, and the Jhanas seems to be how to withdraw your senses from the body, stop the heart and attain enlightenment..

GATE GATE PARAGATE



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