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anthony574
USA
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 Posted - Apr 11 2007 : 1:22:38 PM
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| I am relatively new to Tantra as I am devoting most of my studies and practice to Hatha and meditation for now. I have however read tantric texts regarding sex and how to recirculate energy. I never had a lot of success with them, most likely because at the time I was not into meditation, but I read on this site about the perineum press. I tried it with my partner last night and I was amazed that it worked. It was the first dry orgasm I have ever experience and it was very motivating to know it is possible, even through manual intervention. Anyway, in regards to it being reffered to as "training wheels", there is not much I could find on what to do next. I understand the basics of how to breathe tantically, but do I do this when I have the dry orgasm or constantly? Also, how do I learn to block ejaculation without the perineum press? |
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Scott
USA
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Posted - Apr 11 2007 : 2:24:41 PM
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| It's referred to as training wheels because you're still having an orgasm. When you're "riding the bike without training wheels" you don't have orgasms but you stay at the point where you're about to. |
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 12 2007 : 09:42:48 AM
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Hi Anthony,
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Also, how do I learn to block ejaculation without the perineum press?
there is a way of experiencing orgasm without ejaculation but it is not easy. It is really something that develops as our Yoga practice (bhakti) develops. Follow this thread from here if you are interested:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....ID=781#12746
But this isn't an AYP practice and I wouldn't recomend it as it is too easy to go over the edge and ejaculate. Much better to get to the point just before orgasm and then back off. It is all covered in the Tantra lessons on this site. Blocking isn't ideal because some pranic loss occurs even though there is no loss of semen. Blocking is kind of an emergency measure if we get to the point of ejaculation and want to try and save the day.
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I understand the basics of how to breathe tantically, but do I do this when I have the dry orgasm or constantly?
Yogani does not recomend any tantric breathing practices whilst we are engaged in Tantric sexual practices, either during orgasm or during sex without orgasm. See here:
http://www.aypsite.org/T33.html
Enjoy lovemaking, and enjoy meditation and pranayama afterwards.... great combination in the right order!
Christi
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anthony574
USA
549 Posts |
Posted - Apr 12 2007 : 5:36:56 PM
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| so esentially, by simply staying ahead of orgasm and perhaps visualizing circling energy, i will experience sex throughout the body. i understand tantra is not about sex, but i do want to experience the pranic sensations and how to do so always seems to be so rooted in esotericism and metaphor. |
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Scott
USA
969 Posts |
Posted - Apr 12 2007 : 6:00:40 PM
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| It's pretty simple and not secret. With yoga practice, the sexual energies seem to rise up from the loins. Doing AYP practices will get you there soon enough. |
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Kirtanman
USA
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Posted - Apr 14 2007 : 9:37:02 PM
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Originally posted by anthony574
so esentially, by simply staying ahead of orgasm and perhaps visualizing circling energy, i will experience sex throughout the body. i understand tantra is not about sex, but i do want to experience the pranic sensations and how to do so always seems to be so rooted in esotericism and metaphor.
Hi Anthony - welcome to the AYP Forum!
And, well, you've come to the right place, as far as getting out of metaphor, and into the (pardon the pun ...  ) nuts and bolts of working with the body's sexual essence and energies, in order to facilitate and support your yogic evolution.
And, in a nutshell (so to speak <-- I have no idea if anyone else thinks I'm funny, but I'm sure havin' a good time!  ) - life doesn't tend to delineate and compartmentalize stuff the same way that the egoic mind does.
As a highly applicable "for instance" - all AYP practices, taken as a whole, serve as kind of a "meta-brahmacharya" <-- brahmacharya, per AYP definition, being the "cultivation and preservation of sexual / life energy".
Bhakti, pranayama, meditation, mudras, bandhas, tantric (meaning "sexual" in this sense) ... though I agree with you fully: Tantra is not about sex; it's actually about working with the physical and subtle "weave" of manifest {apparent} reality, as experienced through these human body-mind-receiver thingies we seem to be living in.
And by the way: kudos on the blocking success; enjoy, if it works for you (and I mean that, sincerely ... some of us, including me, just haven't found blocking to be all that palatable).
Personally, what works for me (which I'll offer as either an alternate, or an "also" to blocking, per your own inclinations) is:
*Work with the subtle nuances of sexual stimulation in your own body, until you can bring yourself *really* close to the brink of ejaculatory orgasm ... without ejaculating. For most men, temptation / "urge" can be *really* strong in the early stages ... so just use your own best judgment (i.e. the first few months, you may not want to go past a 6 on a 10 scale ... but before super-long, you'll be going to 9.5, then 9.75 ... and so on!) I recently did about a 9.94 ... "ish" ... and was pleased that my body is finally catching up to where my heart and spirit are going ... though I've been at this ("intense cultivation of life-energy") for over a year, now.
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*"Don't ejaculate, as much as possible".
And please note that the comma is the most important part of the above sentence.
Strive to become a veritable master in the art of "don't ejaculate".
But, on the other hand <-- switching hands can be important, too -- to avoid those nagging muscle cramps .... because, as you may have surmised ... the only way to get really good at anything ... including ... yogic whacking ... ... is, of course .... practice, practice, practice!
... But, on the other hand - there's no need to be a fanatic about it, either. Truly. I started out shooting (<-- yes, yes "pun fully intended" ... ) for two weeks with no ejaculation, and then a month ... now, I go anywhere between three to five months ... then relax, and allow ejaculation maybe 1 to 3 times over the course of a week-ish ... and then back to "not" for a few more months.
I could go longer (without ejaculating) if I saw reason to - but I don't. As Yogani points out in the AYP Tantra Lessons - energy flows both ways ... and a whole host of practices opening channels, and drawing energy upward (for use in and by higher / more subtle levels of our energetic system) - including non-ejaculation ... is *not* offset by an ejaculation (or two or three) every few months.
However (who woulda thought??) -- there's also the dynamic that the overall pleasure is SO massively improved, and more global ... that ejaculatory orgasm becomes less and less of an issue and priority ... honest!
(And yes, I do joke around pretty much continuously ... but no, I am not joking about any of this information ... everything I'm discussing here is a genuinely essential part of my sadhana -- and each component has contributed to utterly life-changing progress, yogically.)
I used to have a very, very hard (<-- yes, pun, yadda-yadda ... ) time understanding how this was possible ("but, but ... sex feels SO good!"). Indeed it does ... until that which is many unspeakable orders of magnitude more conscious, more whole, more intimate and more speechlessly, staggeringly better .... presents itself.
And ... sooooo ... it's not just a matter of "blocking and breathing" - it's a matter of integrating a good majority of AYP practices into your daily sadhana, in a balanced manner (which can include sexual / tantric practices, as discussed in this section).
And no, it doesn't "have" to be AYP ... or "pure AYP" ... but quite a few of us who practice AYP have adopted it after years of hit-and-miss with other systems.
Yogani has just done a rather excellent job of creating a set of (literally) "best practices" (as they say in the business world), and distilling them into a set of lessons which allows practitioners to separare the (extraneous, cultural and/or fallacious) chaff from the (pragmatic, useful, simple and sadhana-turbo-charging) wheat.
Hope this helps, and again: welcome!
Peace & Namaste,
Kirtanman |
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anthony574
USA
549 Posts |
Posted - Apr 16 2007 : 4:56:32 PM
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thank you very much for that post! very helpful!
i cant seem to get into solo practice. now that i am officially done with pornography, i cant seem to enjoy it at all. i feel like if i use sexual imagry i might as well be looking at porn, and without any visual stimuli, i dont feel anything. i never really enjoying the actual act of masturbation, just the orgasm obviously. my only practice comes from sex with my girlfriend, who is still trying to adjust to the idea that i will no longer be ejaculating or orgasming even. she doesnt seem to like it very much, but is supportive i suppose. |
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meenarashid
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Posted - May 02 2007 : 7:14:47 PM
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Originally posted by meenarashid
smiling & giggling a little too
when getting off porno
go ahead and think of her in those situations put the person you are with in those situations you enjoyed in the movies etc.( she will most likely like the thought of you doing this when she isnt around:)
then from there.. turn it completely physical BUT think about God /source whatever
what i mean by that is
you hopefully know the *buttons* to push to get you there quickly
shift into that mode with your physical body but turn your thoughts to source
ya know if you orgasm looking at a green shirt everytime eventually a green shirt will totally get you off :)
aum
its not totally fair to either of you to practice this if shes not comfortable( meaning while having sex with her id love to AUM the whole time i have sex but hes there also its for both of us not just me :)
started listening to meditation music a long time ago
one day hubby says i dont want to hear this subliminal stuff! & i laughed & said what?
he says yea it makes you think about God all the time & i said well thats not so bad is it?
he says but i dont WANT that
so i had to say well fair enough and shut the music off...
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