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brauniver
Switzerland
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 Posted - Nov 06 2006 : 8:01:01 PM
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Is it ok to intentially "let go" the mantra and stay in this stillness behind it or should we really keep it for the whole session?
It seems to me that favoring the mantra is rather being more in energy. Stillness is coming up but real stillnes I just find without listening to the mantra. The mantra always brings some "disturbance" into this stillness.
Any ideas?
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weaver
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Posted - Nov 06 2006 : 8:20:51 PM
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Hi brauniver,
Yes, in AYP deep meditation we do keep the mantra going for the whole session. It may disappear for periods by itself, and we let it modify itself, so it may become very faint or fuzzy, but we don't let it go intentionally. The purpose of doing the mantra is not primarily to create stillness during the meditation itself, but to let it do its purification work, and to let the mind go beyond rational thinking. The long-term effect will be inner silence, which is more than stillness, it's more like a primordial awareness behind everything else, independent of what's going on in the mind or surroundings. |
Edited by - weaver on Nov 06 2006 8:23:50 PM |
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brauniver
Switzerland
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Posted - Nov 09 2006 : 08:03:08 AM
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Thanks Weaver!
The purpose isn't stillness itself.... interesting. Since I did Vipassana for long time for me silence in meditation was the main thing. But I really like what you are saying because therefore this kind of underlying subtle striving for stillness in meditation just disappears. That is great! |
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Nov 09 2006 : 09:47:39 AM
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Oli, Weaver has answered you well.
Letting the mantra go intentionally might work well sometimes in the small, but in the large, it introduces an aspect of choice into the meditation which can get in the way. One of the problems with it is that it may set up a mess of thoughts and questions like "Should I let it go now? What about later? Or should I stay with the mantra, because, oooooo it is getting fine.... maybe it'll fade by itself ....yada, yada yada"
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Alvin Chan
Hong Kong
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Posted - Nov 10 2006 : 10:42:31 AM
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| What about introducing a fixed procedure to be done everytime? e.g. do the normal deep meditation for a fixed time, and after that start the let-go part. |
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Nov 10 2006 : 12:07:21 PM
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Alvin, that could work, but it presents another problem: when to start the mantra again?
Do you see where this is going? 
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brauniver
Switzerland
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Posted - Nov 11 2006 : 09:26:51 AM
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I though Alvin is thinking about practising mantra meditation and AFTER these 20 or so minutes doing this thing of letting go or just be aware.
That is at least what I did the last days. Mantra meditation for me is very energy related therefore the whole session is "about Energy". According to that it seems that for me it is good AFTER mantra meditation just be there (watch the breath or just be aware) without the "distraction" of energy related phenomenems. Doing so it is easier to practise samyama after meditation without moving and shaking and be more aware.
I gonna check it out some more days if it really works like that.
BTW: Some of you probably know it already. There is another great yoga page with a lot of theory and practice.
http://www.swamij.com
And especially about mantra meditation:
http://www.swamij.com/mantra-japa-ajapa.htm |
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Awareness versus mantra repetition
