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715 From: "Dan" <danny@metalhosts.com>
Date: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:50am
Subject: Sexual Tantra mysticaldan
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Namaste All,
I was hoping someone wud reply to my mail abt Damar Tantra but thats
ok :-)
I have another question. FOr people practicing sexual tantra i have
tried it on and off and i find it almost impossible to continue for
1/2 hr to 45 minutes as suggested by the holdback method.
Now by that i dont only mean that its hard to maintain erections for
that long but also that once i am on the verge of orgasm and i back
out i loose intrest in the act itself. Its almost like a part of me
doesnt want to continue it any further. Its more like a "awww leave
it.. whats the point" kind of reaction. For something that i was
clamoring for (the orgasm) its almost the same feeling we get after
ejaculation abt not wanting anymore.
Any ideas whats that all abt? Also since i build myself to orgasm but
dont let it happen does it help in any way or cause any problems. At
times i do have a sort of mini orgasm as i build myself up but no
ejaculation as i back off before that happens.
Om Tat Sat
Dan
716 From: "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:17am
Subject: Re: Sexual Tantra nearoanoke
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Hi Dan,
I too do tantra masturbation holding back myself before orgasm. For
me I dont get bored and the impulse to have orgasm grows with each
time i control before orgasm. So at the end of the session even a few
minutes of masturb.. can lead to orgasm.
But I felt this TM (tantric mast..) can be dangerous because it is
fun and i want to do it again and again and in the process am loosing
sperm. Since i came to know that loosing once every 2 weeks is okay,
what i am doing is practicing TM only at the end of my 2 week
session. For 2 weeks i completely stay away from any masturbation
related activities and at the end of 2 weeks i try this so that even
if i loose it also no problem. If at the end of 2 weeks i dont feel
like doing TM i wait till i feel like that way i increase my duration
beyond 2 weeks.
I feel TM is better than plain celibacy. Because in TM you are
stimulating and trying not to loose orgasm and in that process you
are increasing your control power. It is like staying in the world
and acheieving enlightenment versus going to himalayas. Also I think
there are additional advantages with TM that happen internally.
-Near
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <danny@m...> wrote:
>
>
> Namaste All,
> I was hoping someone wud reply to my mail abt Damar Tantra but
thats
> ok :-)
>
> I have another question. FOr people practicing sexual tantra i have
> tried it on and off and i find it almost impossible to continue
for
> 1/2 hr to 45 minutes as suggested by the holdback method.
>
> Now by that i dont only mean that its hard to maintain erections
for
> that long but also that once i am on the verge of orgasm and i back
> out i loose intrest in the act itself. Its almost like a part of me
> doesnt want to continue it any further. Its more like a "awww leave
> it.. whats the point" kind of reaction. For something that i was
> clamoring for (the orgasm) its almost the same feeling we get after
> ejaculation abt not wanting anymore.
>
> Any ideas whats that all abt? Also since i build myself to orgasm
but
> dont let it happen does it help in any way or cause any problems.
At
> times i do have a sort of mini orgasm as i build myself up but no
> ejaculation as i back off before that happens.
>
> Om Tat Sat
> Dan
717 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:56am
Subject: Re: Sexual Tantra obsidian9999
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Hi Dan,
maybe you are pushing up against one of the difficult fundamentals of
yogic sex -- and one that is hard to get used to -- it isn't orgasm
oriented. It's very hard to get used to that. It's even deeper than
that -- it isn't even goal-oriented. It's all about the NOW.
But we are used to the 'goal'. We have gotten used to how delicious
the moments of orgasm are. We are waiting for the end. And we know
it ain't over till the fat lady (inside us) sings. We are waiting
until that great beautiful Diva with the voice of an angel sings her
climactic piece. When you've started tantra it's like 'Oh no the fat
lady isn't EVER going to sing --- I want to go home'.
At a certain point you felt 'oh, what's the use'. Well, that's
probably the part of you that is goal-oriented, isn't it? Believe
me there's a part of you that thinks it's great to have sex even
without the goal. Isn't it great to have BEEN there? With your
lover? Would you like to have missed that, all your life?
On a practical level, don't stress yourself about reaching long
arousal times. You can take a break from actual fXXXing, continue
with the other aspects of sex/lovemaking, and maybe get back to the
fXXXing later. Remember it is now about ALL of it, the beginning,
the middle, and the end.
You are moving into an opera which did not begin and doesn't end.
The great fat beautiful Diva with the voice of an angel is singin'
ALL the time, but we can't always hear her..... :)
-David
> Namaste All,
> I was hoping someone wud reply to my mail abt Damar Tantra but
thats
> ok :-)
> I have another question. FOr people practicing sexual tantra i have
> tried it on and off and i find it almost impossible to continue
for
> 1/2 hr to 45 minutes as suggested by the holdback method.
>
> Now by that i dont only mean that its hard to maintain erections
for
> that long but also that once i am on the verge of orgasm and i back
> out i loose intrest in the act itself. Its almost like a part of me
> doesnt want to continue it any further. Its more like a "awww leave
> it.. whats the point" kind of reaction. For something that i was
> clamoring for (the orgasm) its almost the same feeling we get after
> ejaculation abt not wanting anymore.
>
> Any ideas whats that all abt? Also since i build myself to orgasm
but
> dont let it happen does it help in any way or cause any problems.
At
> times i do have a sort of mini orgasm as i build myself up but no
> ejaculation as i back off before that happens.
>
> Om Tat Sat
> Dan
722 From: Isolde Manasa <babalon_v@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:58pm
Subject: Sexual Tantra babalon_v
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Dear Dan:
As a female Initiate of the Vama Marg, I have some
remarks that may or may not be helpful. I first might
ask whether or not you are simply trying to increase
your sexual endurance or are you trying to achieve a
state of spiritual exaltation by this means? The
distinction must be made clear. If you seek
enlightenment by this method, you really ought to know
that if you are successful, you can tell because you
will eventually lose interest in physical sex. Once
the energy rises into the higher chakras it stops
feeling like orgasm pressure and becomes an all
encompassing full body sensation. Eventually you will
rarely feel the need to masturbate at all, because the
purely physical sensation no longer feels "good", it
is merely annoying and distracting. It is absolutely
essential that you hold your concentration on the
third eye, and you must already have a good
relationship with the appropriate ishta devata, which
in this case is Lord Shiva or Kali. Without Him or
Her, when your Kundalini rises it will self-identify
with your limited self, and you will be in for more
trouble than you can handle. Also, for serious
results, you will need to stop all sexual activity for
a few months to build up the necessary shakti to do
the job. If you "can't", then it would be better if
you left this sort of thing alone. You are either too
young or not serious enough about the practice and are
simply trying to "veil your vices in virtuous words".
The Dark Gods are not amused with people who are not
serious or who try to "put one over" on them. You may
want to read the "Aghora" series by Dr. Robert
Svoboda, particularly "Kundalini", the best book on
the subject I have ever read, "Tantric Quest", by
Daniel Odier, and "Arousing the Goddess" by Tim Ward.
Oh, and one other thing. As I said, you are either
serious or you are not. If you think you can have a
spiritual sex session one night and be jerking off to
porn the next night, think again. Sex is either sacred
or it is not. You have to choose, and conduct yourself
accordingly. There is no "running with the hares and
hunting with the hounds" here. This sort of Yoga can
get you in trouble faster than any other, except
Pranayama. Oh, and a basic grasp of that will help
quite a lot, too.
Lilith M.
--- Dan <danny@metalhosts.com> wrote:
---------------------------------
Namaste All,
I was hoping someone wud reply to my mail abt Damar
Tantra but thats
ok :-)
I have another question. FOr people practicing sexual
tantra i have
tried it on and off and i find it almost impossible
to continue for
1/2 hr to 45 minutes as suggested by the holdback
method.
Now by that i dont only mean that its hard to maintain
erections for
that long but also that once i am on the verge of
orgasm and i back
out i loose intrest in the act itself. Its almost like
a part of me
doesnt want to continue it any further. Its more like
a "awww leave
it.. whats the point" kind of reaction. For something
that i was
clamoring for (the orgasm) its almost the same feeling
we get after
ejaculation abt not wanting anymore.
Any ideas whats that all abt? Also since i build
myself to orgasm but
dont let it happen does it help in any way or cause
any problems. At
times i do have a sort of mini orgasm as i build
myself up but no
ejaculation as i back off before that happens.
Om Tat Sat
Dan
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726 From: "azaz932001" <richardchamberlin14@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:13am
Subject: Re: Sexual Tantra azaz932001
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Isolde Manasa <babalon_v@y...> wrote:
It is absolutely
> essential that you hold your concentration on the
> third eye, and you must already have a good
> relationship with the appropriate ishta devata, which
> in this case is Lord Shiva or Kali. Without Him or
> Her, when your Kundalini rises it will self-identify
> with your limited self, and you will be in for more
> trouble than you can handle.
I totally endorse that remark Lileth. Many years ago I forced
Kundalini to rise using a combination of Kundalini Yoga and shamanic
techniques, this resulted in Kundalini identifying with the self or
identity as undeveloped as it was at that time.
I had to accept the death of the identity to carry on and this was
very painful psychologically. The outcome was a brief experience of
samadhi which acted as a sort of self initiation for me but I think
it caused problems and blockages which in the long term retarded and
slowed my development. AYP has healed me in this respect, and this
gentle but direct way works for me.
Blessings R.C.
724 From: "Adam West" <adamwest1@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:48pm
Subject: Re: Sexual Tantra fraterandros1
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Hi Lilith,
Thank you for a very interesting post! Can you please tell me where I can find detailed, specific teachings on the theory, methodology and techniques of the system you speak of? I would be very appreciative! Many thanks, Blessings be upon you :-)
In kind regards,
Adam.
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725 From: "Danny" <danny@metalhosts.com>
Date: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:46am
Subject: Re: Sexual Tantra mysticaldan
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Hi Lilith,
Its nice to hear ur remarks and somehow they seem to connect well with me.
Perhaps I am unclear as to what I want. Perhaps the fact that I am married
and that sex is a part of my life doesnt make things easy and I have to
consider my wife also and things might not be in a manner where both can
practise tantra. I am not interested in physical sex as such. Its something
that the urge builds and i follow. My mind and my inner self does say that
the momentary pleasure doesnt really lead me anywhere and i am better off
getting a permanent bliss than a temporary 2 second spasm. I was initally a
very heavy masturbator and only more recntly have tapered off to almost a
very less frequency with complete abstinence for a few weeks before i just
"get off". Thats one of the reason that when i start to build myself over
for orgasm and then hold back the realisation hits me that getting off is
not what i am after and i let go at that time.
Am i too young or not too serious? Yes i guess i am a little bit of both.
But yes i am starting to walk the path. Just a little confused in the
starting but taking the one step that starts the thousand mile journey. Any
suggestions for me. I am already doing a little pranayma by way of Nadhi
shodhana. All the impurities in the system need to be cleared first.
Intrestingly Amaroli seems to have cleaned out my nostrils that even Jal
Neti Kriya wudnt. I am going to start with some basic Surya Bhedhana
pranayama before i start for anything else. I do know that pranayama is fire
and one can very easily get burnt if not careful. I have no intention of
doing so and better to start slow.
Also do u think that cause I also get the urge to leave the physical part of
sex is that an indicator of something? I am sure many men cant think beyond
from between the legs but not so for me at least not primrily. I doubt if
any man can say he does not have his seed jump at seeing a beautiful
attractive female. In any case is it better to start of with increasing
sexual endurance and then move towards the spiritual aspect of it? I am
quite sure they are linked. Later one can flow from one side to the other
but its the initial part thats most difficult. Its taking the first steps
thats most difficult and its better to ask directions cause once u have
started walking its difficult to stop and change midway.
Om Tat Sat
Dan
> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:58:22 +0100 (BST)
> From: Isolde Manasa <babalon_v@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Sexual Tantra
>
>
> Dear Dan:
> As a female Initiate of the Vama Marg, I have some
> remarks that may or may not be helpful. I first might
> ask whether or not you are simply trying to increase
> your sexual endurance or are you trying to achieve a
> state of spiritual exaltation by this means? The
> distinction must be made clear. If you seek
> enlightenment by this method, you really ought to know
> that if you are successful, you can tell because you
> will eventually lose interest in physical sex. Once
> the energy rises into the higher chakras it stops
> feeling like orgasm pressure and becomes an all
> encompassing full body sensation. Eventually you will
> rarely feel the need to masturbate at all, because the
> purely physical sensation no longer feels "good", it
> is merely annoying and distracting. It is absolutely
> essential that you hold your concentration on the
> third eye, and you must already have a good
> relationship with the appropriate ishta devata, which
> in this case is Lord Shiva or Kali. Without Him or
> Her, when your Kundalini rises it will self-identify
> with your limited self, and you will be in for more
> trouble than you can handle. Also, for serious
> results, you will need to stop all sexual activity for
> a few months to build up the necessary shakti to do
> the job. If you "can't", then it would be better if
> you left this sort of thing alone. You are either too
> young or not serious enough about the practice and are
> simply trying to "veil your vices in virtuous words".
> The Dark Gods are not amused with people who are not
> serious or who try to "put one over" on them. You may
> want to read the "Aghora" series by Dr. Robert
> Svoboda, particularly "Kundalini", the best book on
> the subject I have ever read, "Tantric Quest", by
> Daniel Odier, and "Arousing the Goddess" by Tim Ward.
> Oh, and one other thing. As I said, you are either
> serious or you are not. If you think you can have a
> spiritual sex session one night and be jerking off to
> porn the next night, think again. Sex is either sacred
> or it is not. You have to choose, and conduct yourself
> accordingly. There is no "running with the hares and
> hunting with the hounds" here. This sort of Yoga can
> get you in trouble faster than any other, except
> Pranayama. Oh, and a basic grasp of that will help
> quite a lot, too.
> Lilith M.
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