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Originally posted by Omsat

Hi tonightsthenight,

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Originally posted by tonightsthenight

Thank you, Omsat. Very good reading of the codes as they apply here.

I do have one minor quibble. I'd like to point out that bramhacharya can be practiced without the need to withhold physical orgasm. I know this is the common definition, but some practitioners don't require preservation in order to experience ecstatic absorption. Therefore there must be a deeper level to bramhacharya.

My two cents is that the term is better understood as chasity, a sexual purity.

Chastity does not mean abstinent, although that is a popular understanding.

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Thank you for this.

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Bramhacharya can be practiced without the need to withhold physical orgasm

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I have an idea about what you could mean, eg. if distinction is made between explosive and implosive orgasm. Is that what you meant indeed?

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Some practitioners don't require preservation in order to experience ecstatic absorption. Therefore there must be a deeper level to bramhacharya.

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Is the presence of ecstatic absorption sufficient to uphold brahmacharya is maintained?

Could you clarify/elaborate on your understanding of brahmacharya/chastity? Or refer to a source that goes into this perhaps?

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Originally posted by kami
We as humans crave pleasure, equating it often with "goodness". Discrimination that arises from inner silence can provide the seeing of what the difference is.

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Interesting discussion on Brahmacharya. While the most commonly understood definition relates to celibacy or cultivation of sexual energy, traditionally that is not the case. Brahmacharya is also an ashrama or stage of life. It also relates to moderation in everything, with redirection of energies toward self-realization. Ultimately it evolves from self-control to sublimation in all areas of life. While for some it may relate to sexual energies, for many it applies to where attention rests (unnecessary conversations/discussions, nonserving sangha/circle, nonserving habits and tendencies, etc).

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Originally posted by tonightsthenight

I can only speak from my own experience.

Its not necessary for me to withhold physical orgasm in order to reach daily absorption both in and out of sitting practices. In fact, withholding would make the process more erratic and unstable due to excess vitality.

Sex with physical orgasm really gets things revved up for days here, so in my case bramhacarya means a purity in when, how, why and with whom I have sex.

I have never practiced withholding so I can only speculate on the consequences here. As it is, I'll send orgasms up the sushumna for an hour or so and then eventually have a physical orgasm. This is not something I have ever practiced, it is an automatic practice, like dynamic jalandhara, kumbhaka, mudras, qi gong, etc. Its what my nervous system wants to do.

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