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Alvin Chan
Hong Kong
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 Posted - Aug 13 2006 : 12:48:11 PM
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There are some major differences this time, I think. First, it's posted by someone else, secondly it's bare-bone. When the name "yogani" is mentioned by someone else, it sounds much greater and more famous, isn't it?
May be keep it this way for sometime first, before adding anything? To make sure it sticks..... |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Aug 13 2006 : 1:15:05 PM
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Originally posted by Alvin Chan
When the name "yogani" is mentioned by someone else, it sounds much greater and more famous, isn't it?
Maybe there are some advantages to mythologizing after all, though I'm sure David would disagree. 
The guru is in you.
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Aug 14 2006 : 10:26:10 AM
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Yogani, I know you are sort of joking, but if I take the idea seriously, I think it depends just on what the 'mythologizing' means, and how far it is going. The more innocent and pure end of mythologizing runs into a continuum with ordinary PR (Public Relations), so it's probably best not called mythologizing.... It's the less mild end of it that is problemmatic --- and it can be quite insidious, so 'less mild' doesn't necessarily mean 'very visible' in this case.....
However, I am happy to say that I have seen Yogani
(i) say he doesn't know
(ii) apologize
(ii) ask for ideas and suggestions
which is all genuinely counter to the self-mythologization of the insidious kind. It's genuine and truthful anti-pedestal behavior, cultivating a mature relationship with other intelligent beings.
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Alvin Chan
Hong Kong
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Posted - Aug 14 2006 : 11:06:49 AM
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| On the other hand, the fact that Yogani remain anonymous somehow mythologize him a bit. Though he certainly did enough to balance out that effect self-disclosures that a guru with name won't tell you. |
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Aug 14 2006 : 11:12:44 AM
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On the other hand, the fact that Yogani remain anonymous somehow mythologize him a bit.
True, but in this case I think the motivation is that he doesn't want to have an invasive, hard-to-control-and-limit public life. Nothing wrong with that IMO. Nothing wrong with wanting to be able to turn off the computer and with that, be done completely with the whole yoga-teaching business and then have a quiet, private, anonymous life until you next turn the computer on again.
Which all just goes to show that a little mythologization will come for free whether you want it or not, which is why it is has to be labored against.
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trip1
USA
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Posted - Aug 14 2006 : 11:32:11 PM
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Originally posted by Alvin Chan
May be keep it this way for sometime first, before adding anything? To make sure it sticks.....
Hi Alvin,
Agreed. In the meantime, we'll just shift focus back to adding external links to other articles and creating new articles on practices. Then in a month or so (if it sticks), we can start expanding the Yogani article a bit.
Brett |
Edited by - trip1 on Aug 15 2006 03:03:12 AM |
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Alvin Chan
Hong Kong
407 Posts |
Posted - Aug 15 2006 : 10:04:09 AM
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By the way, I'm starting my second book review on amazon, this time the anatomy of hatha yoga which is quite popular. Not much time now, though. Got to rush through my thesis and I'm looking for a 9-5 job which is not quite common here Otherwise I don't know if I can keep up with my practice! |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jan 10 2007 : 11:38:28 PM
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Hi All:
It should be mentioned that Brett never gave up on AYP's worthiness to be in Wikipedia, and after several go arounds since last summer, has convinced the powers that be that AYP belongs. As of today, the AYP page (enhanced) has been restored with deletion tags removed. Bravo!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogani
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weaver
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Posted - Jan 10 2007 : 11:53:49 PM
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I say the same and thank you for your hard work Brett!
(The first external link should probably point to www.aypsite.org ?) |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jan 11 2007 : 12:08:29 AM
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Originally posted by weaver
I say the same and thank you for your hard work Brett!
(The first external link should probably point to www.aypsite.org ?)
Hi Weaver:
Brett used the Geocities site because it does not have the AYP book covers on it. Wiki frowns on articles that point to "advertising." Nevermind that "notables" like Chopra and Tolle are selling stuff all over their websites. The difference between them and us is that they have been on Oprah -- we don't want to rush into that one.
The guru is in you.
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Shanti
USA
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Posted - Jan 11 2007 : 07:46:51 AM
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Thanks Brett.. You the Bestest..
I know how infuriating the process is.. So hats off to you Sir |
Edited by - Shanti on Jan 11 2007 09:07:39 AM |
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trip1
USA
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Posted - Jan 11 2007 : 3:43:42 PM
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Thank you for the kind words.
I'll be expanding the article in the coming months, so if anyone has any ideas or would like to help, please let me know. |
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Shanti
USA
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Posted - Jan 14 2007 : 09:47:00 AM
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Originally posted by trip1
I'll be expanding the article in the coming months, so if anyone has any ideas or would like to help, please let me know.
Hi Brett,
Let me know if I can help in any way...
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trip1
USA
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Posted - Jan 14 2007 : 3:07:56 PM
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Hi Shweta,
Thank you for the offer, it is appreciated.
As you may have noticed I've run into another bump in the road with the Wikians, but if we get by this one I could definitely use some help with expanding the article. I'll keep you updated.
Brett |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Jan 14 2007 : 5:26:30 PM
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Why is it being considered for deletion? Is it because of lack of citations from relevent third party sources?
Are there articles about yogani or AYP? maybe the radio interviews would help? |
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Shanti
USA
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Posted - Jan 14 2007 : 6:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by Etherfish
Why is it being considered for deletion? Is it because of lack of citations from relevent third party sources?
Are there articles about yogani or AYP? maybe the radio interviews would help?
Ether, if you click on discussion and history and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...i_%282nd%29, you will see why Wiki has tagged it for deletion. Brett has done a great job so far defending the article. He does have the radio interview there too. |
Edited by - Shanti on Jan 14 2007 6:40:34 PM |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jan 16 2007 : 11:37:21 AM
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Originally posted by Etherfish
Why is it being considered for deletion? Is it because of lack of citations from relevent third party sources?
Are there articles about yogani or AYP? maybe the radio interviews would help?
Hi Ether:
Yes, third party interviews and reports is the primary shortcoming we have with Wikipedia, particularly in magazines and newspapers. There is currently nothing suitable out there in the print media in the way of independent articles on AYP.
The radio interviews will help, but what we really need is independent articles in print that can be referenced.
If anyone here has a background in public relations, especially in setting up interviews for print publications, then we could sure use your help. I am willing if willing interviewers can be found.
The guru is in you.
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