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crazymandrew
USA
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 Posted - Apr 02 2013 : 05:35:31 AM
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I have come soooooo close so many times. I was in the super pleasurable vibration. I was lighting up with sexual feelings that reminded me of that really intense stuff when I was 11-12 years old, then some force shows up and drains my sex drive and my focus and it's all gone. It almost becomes painful to watch a video.
Should I just try fantasying in bed at night as an alternative? It's impossible to keep my energy high with any type of media.
Its really frustrating cause I have been in that vibration on so many occasions but I quickly lose it.
Other question. Is it true that watching pornography is psychic? Am I producing my own energy, or is the prana (there is defintely prana!) boost actually coming from the girls? I've noticed some girls who are really good looking don't cause much energy. Other girls of about the same appearance cause a huge energy boost! It's interesting. Sometimes when I am browsing threw thumbnails, I feel all sorts of energy (even though I'm not paying attention to the pics at times)! Just mere eye sight on something that is available causes me to feel energy! What if the female is dead? Can her spirit still respond with energy? Whatever the process. It's automatic.
Other Idea, could this possibly throw the whole process out of wack if the pornography really is psychic? Could the girls/females be holding me back??? Could this explain the energy drain I get? I think the energy drain is more likely coming from negative spirits that harass me. |
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Victor
USA
910 Posts |
Posted - Apr 02 2013 : 3:23:23 PM
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| My take on it is that you get stimulated by the image of the energy that the performer is putting out ( much as you might get moved by a good performance in any movie or musical recording)but it is still an image and it is not related to you personally aside from your own reaction to it. Meaning that the performers are not aware of you at all. That is why I got bored with porn after awhile. I much prefer to feel a womans energy as it relates to ME. Whether through conversation, touch, actual sexual connection etc.. Otherwise it is fantasy. That said, I can see how watching porn and "edging" ( that is the current popular term) could be useful as an exercise in controlling your sexual reactions. It can also cause you to lose energy in the process every time you accidentally go over the edge. It also can lead to habituation which isn't so healthy. At this stage in life I much prefer sharing sexual energy with a loving partner, and porn for the most part bores me. I won't say that I never watch it, just that it is not nearly as exciting as it was at first and that feels healthy to me.It is better to enjoy the dance of sexuality with a good partner than to dance alone watching a movie, but if it is enjoyable just do it with awareness, as all pleasures and challenges change with time. |
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Wafu
United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 05 2013 : 05:25:13 AM
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Hi crazymandrew and Victor,
I have recently posted on this very subject, seems a lot of us are currently investigating our relationship to porn!
My current feeling is that pornography, especially internet pornography, is too stimulating to work with effectively in solo tantric masturbation. It acts like dynamite in our primitive brain (limbic system) and produces strong urges to ejaculate. (see www.yourbrainonporn.com for more details).
The problem is that if you've used porn heavily in the past, it's difficult to get aroused without using it and it feel like nothing else will do.
My suggestion, if you wish to cultivate your energy through masturbation, is to avoid porn and masturbation entirely for a while, in order to restore some of your sensitivity. If you don't use porn frequently this may not be necessary.
I would also not advocate fantasising about porn while you masturbate. Instead, when you feel aroused, try focussing on the sensations in your body instead and see what happens.
It so happens that since I stopped viewing porn I have not felt aroused enough to masturbate once, in almost a week. This is coming from looking at porn and masturbating several times per day.
As to where the energy is coming from, I'm not so sure about that. Certain images arouse us and others don't, it depends on our conditioning. Does the energy drain you experience coincide with ejaculation? |
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Bodhi Tree
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Posted - Apr 06 2013 : 5:52:39 PM
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Energy ranges from the gross to the subtle. Gross does not mean disgusting in this context. It means rough, unrefined, materially-bound. The more subtle the energy is, the closer it is to stillness. That's why samyama works, because we pick up sutras at a level of thought that is closely hovering over stillness.
With porn, the energy is very gross because it's highly confined to the limited perception of the physical body. It's like looking at the surface of an egg without cracking the egg and seeing its yolk. The emotional, mental, and spiritual content is pretty much absent, and the focus zooms in on the most exterior manifestation of the person (the body).
So, it's just a question of depth. I was addicted to porn for awhile (as well as alcohol and drugs), but those traps have fallen away because of my yearning for depth. There's nothing more seductive than dwelling in an expansive, calm heart and mind. I've definitely still got a long way to go, but I've made some progress, and re-directing my sexual desire has helped that. I use fantasy in the mind with the intention of preserving the prana and directing it upward (no ejaculation), so that my consciousness can continue to refine and move beyond obsession with the exterior. The exterior won't last, but the interior, shimmering stillness will.
It's also about efficiency. It's about using our energy for creative and sustainable purposes more than just mere consumption. Cosumption is the paradigm of ingesting something and then just throwing it away. With porn, you just consume an image and then move onto the next one...when the boredom sets in and the novelty of one person's physicality wears off. In Buddhism, they call these class of beings "hungy ghosts"...their hunger for material objects can never be satiated.
That's why with bhakti and a divine ishta, our material hunger can be re-directed to a deeper, longer lasting source of pleasure.
I'm buying the ticket to take that train!  |
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crazymandrew
USA
121 Posts |
Posted - May 21 2013 : 07:17:22 AM
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I forgot to responde to this.
Anyways all three replies were useful. I've been having a lot of success with the hold back method with no pornography. I feel subtle deeper sexual feelings are gradually getting strong every night. I haven't tried taking a break from pornography yet wafu, but I really need to try. Maybe it would speed things up.
I think I was just experience some random bursts of energy with pornography, I wasn't even on the right track. |
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Vimala
France
80 Posts |
Posted - May 21 2013 : 09:57:41 AM
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Hi,
I don't really know if there's some real "contact" (energy flow) with girls in the porn-videos, but this is something interesting to think about.
Any ideas? |
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Victor
USA
910 Posts |
Posted - May 24 2013 : 06:11:36 AM
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| I think it is pretty much the same as the contact that you feel with your favorite musician when you enjoy a recording. You feel something because of the talent of the performer but if it is a recording the artist is not aware of you enjoying it. Now if you are watching porn of someone that you know personally it may be different. |
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Radharani
USA
843 Posts |
Posted - May 24 2013 : 8:50:55 PM
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BTW, while we're on the subject, it's too bad they don't make more "tasteful" porn. My husband and I had the opportunity to do our own online show, just the two of us, with total artistic control, and we were really tempted to create some beautiful, spiritual, tantric video. But, that would probably be BORING for most consumers of porn, LOL!  Anyway we chose not to because of the potential "scandal" for our yoga school if/when anybody found out... 
Andrew, to answer your question, I do not believe there is real psychic interaction with the actors unless you already have an intimate connection with them.
And I'm not sure how it works for men (obviously), but could you just visualize your favorite Goddess sitting on your lap? or would that not do it? |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - May 24 2013 : 10:12:09 PM
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Hi Radharani...
There is tasteful porn out there. One that comes to mind is the production company "X-Art." It's not spiritual but it's definitely a lot more tasteful than most porn out there today.
On a side note, I've noticed that some of the male porn stars out there seem to be borderline tantric masters. I've noticed that some are using breathing techniques to stay in front of orgasm and most are using the holdback method. Some of it is editing but there are definitely some actors out there who have "levelled the sexual playing field" and are using yogic techniques to become the masters of their orgasms.
Love,
Carson |
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Vimala
France
80 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2013 : 01:47:33 AM
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Porn-videos have a tremendous impact on the male watcher: they increase lust to a level behind comprehension...
Crazymandrew made some observations that are worth considering, in my opinion.
Maybe one doesn't get in contact with the actress as a "personality", but he relates to something more subtle which manifests in the movie...
How do male porn-actors feel when watching a movie (not their own) and knowing directly that much of the physical responses are skillfully simulated ? |
Edited by - Vimala on May 25 2013 06:03:27 AM |
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Radharani
USA
843 Posts |
Posted - May 29 2013 : 12:26:11 AM
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Originally posted by CarsonZi
Hi Radharani...
There is tasteful porn out there. One that comes to mind is the production company "X-Art." It's not spiritual but it's definitely a lot more tasteful than most porn out there today.
On a side note, I've noticed that some of the male porn stars out there seem to be borderline tantric masters. I've noticed that some are using breathing techniques to stay in front of orgasm and most are using the holdback method. Some of it is editing but there are definitely some actors out there who have "levelled the sexual playing field" and are using yogic techniques to become the masters of their orgasms.
Love,
Carson
hmm, interesting! I guess it makes sense that they would have mastered some techniques in order to perform on film. |
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Pramod
India
10 Posts |
Posted - Jul 06 2013 : 06:25:58 AM
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I have been practicing solo tantric with porn for around 6 months. Almost daily porn makes me come close to orgasm few times and mostly I am able to hold back successfully. Average of holding period is 2 to 3 weeks. In fact now i find porn a better way to practice tantric for 2 reasons - one- it gives more excitement then spouse, second- one has option to stop without hurting others feeling. And I am feeling benefits of holding in terms of more energy flow during meditation.
As I am new to this practice of tantric sex and AYP, i want to know the views of others, if it is fine to practice solo tantric sex with porn ? Is it healthy and good for spiritual progress? |
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FakeYogi
India
100 Posts |
Posted - Jul 20 2013 : 09:02:44 AM
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| Please stop watching porn. Porn induced erecitle dysfunction is on its way. |
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