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Soul
Australia
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 Posted - Nov 20 2012 : 11:10:34 PM
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Swami Yogananda asked Shri Ramana Maharishi in 1935:
"How is the spiritual uplift of the people to be effected? What are the instructions to be given them?
M.: They differ according to the temperaments of the individuals and according to the spiritual ripeness of their minds. There cannot be any instruction en masse." |
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Bodhi Tree
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Posted - Nov 21 2012 : 12:06:37 AM
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Nice...very nice indeed! That explains why, on one hand, I possess such an intense passion for the AYP repertoire, while on the other hand, I writhe with rabid contempt at the teachings preached by non-duality, self-inquiry personalities (I won't name any names lest I be chastised for guru bashing!  ). Hahahahaha....
Thanks for this potent quote.  |
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karl
United Kingdom
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Posted - Nov 21 2012 : 03:27:02 AM
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Always understood 'each to their own' and 'many paths'. I found none relational self inquiry to be disorienting and I can imagine that for some it could quite literally lead to temporary insanity.
Best to put faith in the internal Guru whatever the difficulties encountered. However learning to listen is the most difficult step. |
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AumNaturel
Canada
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Posted - Nov 21 2012 : 09:46:59 AM
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Nice quote. I wonder if there are more sources that collects such meetings, and the exchanges that took place, or at least the ambiance while sharing company.
Sri N. Maharaj expressed wishes in his book at one point to also meet Sri Maharshi, though I doubt either ever had the chance to. |
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mr_anderson
USA
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Posted - Nov 21 2012 : 4:02:10 PM
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Absolutely accurate.
Self-inquiry was complete nonsense to me when I first tried it several years ago. It was exactly as yogani described: just thoughts upon thoughts building castles in the air.
Then I suddenly got a passionate interest in it a year ago and it changed everything, this time around making total sense.
The magic ingredient = inner silence & increased spiritual ripeness through 8 years of practices. |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Nov 21 2012 : 4:22:38 PM
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just now i am translating lesson 388 to arabic .Here is a part that really fits into that thread (what a coincidence  )
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Those who have traveled far along the path are to be reminded that everyone must travel from where they are using the most effective methods. There is a tendency for those who are advanced in spiritual progress to teach the destination (their present condition) as being the path. This can lead students to engage in what we call non-relational self-inquiry into the non-dual nature of existence. That is, inquiry in the mind and not in stillness, which is largely fruitless and can be psychologically harmful. With the rise of inner silence (the witness), relational self-inquiry becomes possible
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kami
USA
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Posted - Nov 21 2012 : 4:49:05 PM
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Originally posted by mr_anderson
Absolutely accurate.
Self-inquiry was complete nonsense to me when I first tried it several years ago. It was exactly as yogani described: just thoughts upon thoughts building castles in the air.
Then I suddenly got a passionate interest in it a year ago and it changed everything, this time around making total sense.
The magic ingredient = inner silence & increased spiritual ripeness through 8 years of practices.
Amen to that!
Inquiry is an ongoing practice that refines in parallel with expanding inner silence.. I'm finding that no question needs articulating. Just the feel of it is enough, as in samyama. Just as the sutras become so refined that just a subtle feel of say "love" is let go in silence, so it is for inquiry.. Often, the question is let go of before I can know it. Only in retrospect does it "show up"..
Very interesting, always evolving.
Love,
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Soul
Australia
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Posted - Nov 24 2012 : 03:56:58 AM
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Great! I'm happy you all could resonate with the quote as I did
Maheswari: This is great "There is a tendency for those who are advanced in spiritual progress to teach the destination (their present condition) as being the path." ...Seems there is also a tendency for those who are not advanced to teach the destination others have arrived at..! ...Though I feel it's best not to harp on about what others do and make sure I don't fall into that trap myself.
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Namath
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Posted - Nov 24 2012 : 1:01:40 PM
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Hello Soul & All,
@Soul: What is this talk about advanced and non advanced spiritually.As far as I know it's either one is Self realized or not....what's in between can be a great trap for spiritual ego,Isn't it so?
Forgive my honesty in expressing what I think....Perish the thought.
although I consider myself below non meditators state,I can still give my opinion yea?...At least they know their states,I lost desire on what's outside and in the same time as if I'm stuck in no where state...
I do have great respect to neo-Advaitan individuals or shall I say for their intellect...the ones I met or interacted with are highly intelligent.kind of uni professors type .However I can't relate to their technique because if it weren't for my love towards Ramana,with the ups and down...I would have dropped self inquiry long time ago.So the key in my experience is the Love towards Ramana and not the effectiveness or non effectiveness of self inquiry.
Salam
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Soul
Australia
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Posted - Nov 25 2012 : 03:28:45 AM
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@Namath..no different to an advanced musician....or advanced football player...or an advanced chef ....and yet, different...
Though I am not inclined to debate or discussion or answering questions directed at me at this point... to be honest.
Wish you all the best on your Bhakti path.
Soul
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Ramana: For neo-advaitins who preach self-inquiry
