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astralprojectee
USA
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 Posted - Aug 22 2012 : 05:51:36 AM
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OK everyone I am kind of new to Tantra. So my question is. I have found this way of just being in total awe of something in the moment. It is subtle but most definitely noticeable. Something inside me says that I could develop this to the pint where I can feel like I could give up everything to find this inner desire and awe. I it is more of an awe of myself than of an external object. I have always had this I never really connected it to tantra until now. Is this what I am looking for?
BTW I think porn can help awaken this awe, that is what I am using, seems to help. Don't worry I understand the risks here. What do you think then. In fact I find I can cultivate the awe somewhat better without constantly looking at the porn or focusing on it. I don't need porn to awaken it though.
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astralprojectee
USA
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Posted - Aug 22 2012 : 06:32:39 AM
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| It almost feels like a self love or self realization or deep graditde, or peace. I can modulate it a bit. I don't know exactly how to say it. It seems pretty easy to cultivate. I feel more focused when cultivating it. It feels like the main point of adoration or attraction is about in the middle of my mind/head but it extends out to the rest of my mind/head. |
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AumNaturel
Canada
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Posted - Aug 22 2012 : 11:01:16 AM
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| A guess given what it sounds like over here is that it is a way to connect to your ishta, along with the bhakti it generates. Having an erotic element to it is only ordinary I'd say, and the thoughts we try to add to understanding it or reacting to it might not have a place as long as it is supportive in our endeavors, which we are assured will take us beyond that and into the real. |
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astralprojectee
USA
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Posted - Aug 22 2012 : 5:09:30 PM
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| Are the rest of you afraid to say anything because I mentioned porn? |
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karl
United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 23 2012 : 04:22:37 AM
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No, People probably just have nothing to add. Quite a lot of us never venture into the waters of Tantra just like not everybody enjoys football. So, it's not that anyone is being reserved but we would probably be empty vessels making a lot of noise and unable to help you get to where you want to be. That doesn't mean to say we aren't taking an interest. |
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astralprojectee
USA
30 Posts |
Posted - Aug 23 2012 : 06:27:34 AM
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| Thanks Karl. |
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jeff
USA
971 Posts |
Posted - Aug 23 2012 : 08:11:14 AM
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Originally posted by astralprojectee
Are the rest of you afraid to say anything because I mentioned porn?
Probably also that most of us don't understand what you mean by using the porn. If it is an awe of yourself, how/why do you use external objects like porn?
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Shanti
USA
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Posted - Aug 23 2012 : 08:14:40 AM
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Welcome to the AYP forums!
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Originally posted by astralprojectee
So my question is. I have found this way of just being in total awe of something in the moment. It is subtle but most definitely noticeable. Something inside me says that I could develop this to the pint where I can feel like I could give up everything to find this inner desire and awe. I it is more of an awe of myself than of an external object. I have always had this I never really connected it to tantra until now. Is this what I am looking for?
You are not looking for anything... you are experiencing what is happening now, not attaching or pushing it away... and allowing it/giving it room to change.
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It almost feels like a self love or self realization or deep graditde, or peace. I can modulate it a bit. I don't know exactly how to say it. It seems pretty easy to cultivate. I feel more focused when cultivating it. It feels like the main point of adoration or attraction is about in the middle of my mind/head but it extends out to the rest of my mind/head.
You have already seen it shift... if you stop focusing on it, it will shift further. These new experiences are fascinating... but that is all they are, experiences, you will settle into this and many more things along the way... so don't put too much energy into "focusing" and 'cultivating" it... just be with it when it's there...
Finally it is not about control... it is about letting go control so things can, be seen, integrated, change and expand.
Enjoy it while it happens, but don't indulge it or push it away.
Wish you all the best! |
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kami
USA
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Posted - Aug 23 2012 : 11:43:33 AM
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Originally posted by karl
No, People probably just have nothing to add. Quite a lot of us never venture into the waters of Tantra just like not everybody enjoys football. So, it's not that anyone is being reserved but we would probably be empty vessels making a lot of noise and unable to help you get to where you want to be. That doesn't mean to say we aren't taking an interest.
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Aug 23 2012 : 9:26:34 PM
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astralprojectee
USA
30 Posts |
Posted - Aug 24 2012 : 01:37:06 AM
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Originally posted by jeff
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Originally posted by astralprojectee
Are the rest of you afraid to say anything because I mentioned porn?
Probably also that most of us don't understand what you mean by using the porn. If it is an awe of yourself, how/why do you use external objects like porn?
I'll admit that I do use love and desire for the women from the selected pictures and scenes I use. Which are few. I am very particular. I think that would be gross to desire every or even most of porn scenes and pictures that are out there.
OK, I am just really experimenting with the idea right now. I just started the other day. But it really seemed to spark something in me. So I will see where it takes me for right now.
So I just used the porn to help get inspiration to keep seeking and going on my spiritual path. While occidentally using directly guiding desire toward the women of choice. I do think that a women's beauty should inspire a carnal man such as myself to seek my own inner beauty.
To be quite honest I don't know exactly what I am doing. But I want to see if this can take me somewhere.
And thanks Shanti and the rest of you.
Peace.
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Aug 24 2012 : 07:37:22 AM
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Originally posted by karl
No, People probably just have nothing to add. Quite a lot of us never venture into the waters of Tantra just like not everybody enjoys football.
Yeah, football and tantra are the same.  |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Aug 24 2012 : 07:43:09 AM
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astralprojectee,
Yes you can use porn- it's not the usual way of doing things. Try to move the sexual energy up. It's tricky.
Porn will make you feel energy in the groin, then use something like spinal breathing to try to move it up in the body. It can lead to orgasms in other parts, or the whole body. |
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jeff
USA
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Posted - Aug 24 2012 : 11:15:44 AM
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As Etherfish says, porn (or desire in general) can be used, but it is difficult because it often takes you "out of the moment" into thinking about "future" fantasies. Most likely you are experiencing quieting the mind by concentration or "single minded focus". One suggestion... Consider taking yourself to the edge and stopping. That is being in the moment.
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astralprojectee
USA
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Posted - Aug 25 2012 : 03:53:51 AM
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| I think I am going to try doing single pointed meditation on a picture of Buddha. But I may still try porn in the future. LOL porn got me back on track. LOL |
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Kahlia
161 Posts |
Posted - Aug 25 2012 : 08:52:24 AM
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Haha Etherfish - football & porn! Agree they are vastly different, just like tantra & porn. lol .. Made me laugh  |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Aug 25 2012 : 12:32:18 PM
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| I was just joking, but they have similarities; men doing sidhasana is like football. |
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sivasambho
USA
136 Posts |
Posted - Sep 12 2012 : 3:48:17 PM
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Hi,
You have a wonderful desire, to be fully immersed in the pregnant moment with a wholesome experience including much of the peripherial events that happen at that time. I think this is very cool, and sadhana keeps pushing us further up in this direction to be aware of more and more things. The focus gets amplified when we are dealing with matters of our own interest. How about nature, does it gives you this amplified zoned in experience?
However, to include porn as a part of your sadhana, just passes a chill up my spine. Usually the mind is very self decieving and to brush it aside saying "dont worry about it - i got it in control" is a bit worrying.
I could relate with you in one aspect where I do have this desire of overcoming any slightest unease with women in any sexual way. (I am willing to call this as a siddhi once fully accomplished and seems like I am quietly progressing on this, though the only way to check my progress would be to push myself on having a genuine tantra sadhana with a yoga practioner without actually engaging in sex) Again there is this danger of taking a huge risk of losing one's own celibacy. But as a test it might be a risk worth taking, but as a practise, it wouldnt justify much. |
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Kahlia
161 Posts |
Posted - Sep 13 2012 : 08:17:03 AM
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Im with you on the unease Siva and would like a similar non sexual practice also. I think it would benefit be greatly to help the discomfort. Im very uncomfortable and sensitive to the energy of men.
I agree about the porn and sadhana practice. Ive watched porn...... it all seems to be violent and degrading to women. Wheres the enlightenment in that? The majority of porn is about women being objectified and serving and pleasing men however I wont get on my soapbox about it so that's all I will say.
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sivasambho
USA
136 Posts |
Posted - Sep 13 2012 : 1:50:00 PM
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Originally posted by Kahlia
Im with you on the unease Siva and would like a similar non sexual practice also. I think it would benefit be greatly to help the discomfort. Im very uncomfortable and sensitive to the energy of men.
I agree about the porn and sadhana practice. Ive watched porn...... it all seems to be violent and degrading to women. Wheres the enlightenment in that? The majority of porn is about women being objectified and serving and pleasing men however I wont get on my soapbox about it so that's all I will say.
Thanks Kahlia. I am glad to see you have similar goals. To understand the full range of difficulties/craziness involved in such a practise, please refer to the book "world of tantra". It is not just a boring theoretical book but rather claimed to be an autobiography of a tantric. It talks about many types of asanas he had used for tantric practise, which I still have no clue.
"Desire is to will, what dream is to sleep, or bubbles to water. Kicks of desire are but momentary reactions of unguarded greed; they reflect our unbridled impulses, or whims. Some desires abide, while some die out even before they have taken any tangible shape. Desires die with the death of ego." - B. Bhattacharya in "the world of tantra"
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Sep 13 2012 : 11:46:13 PM
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Originally posted by Kahlia
. . . The majority of porn is about women being objectified and serving and pleasing men however I wont get on my soapbox about it so that's all I will say.
Hmmmm... I'm just contemplating how one would arrive at a generalization about the majority of porn.... |
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Kahlia
161 Posts |
Posted - Sep 14 2012 : 06:11:28 AM
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| Well as I said Ive watched it....Great quote by the way Siva! Spiritual DESIRE! !! |
Edited by - Kahlia on Sep 14 2012 09:19:20 AM |
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sivasambho
USA
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Posted - Sep 14 2012 : 7:04:15 PM
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| Thanks kahlia. I am thinking there is not much creativity with porn in general, as it merely supports the base emotions tied to the nature's plan for procreation. Both sexes have their god given duties, Man has the job of planting the seed and the woman has the job of receiving and nurturing it. How Much Wood Would A WoodChuck Chuck If A WoodChuck Would Chuck Wood? :) |
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Victor
USA
910 Posts |
Posted - Sep 15 2012 : 7:45:26 PM
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| One way to look at porn in tantra is to go beyond porn. At first porn can be druglike, hard to control the fascination, but if looked at consciously and if you really practice seminal conservation then porn is most likely to eventually become boring. That's what happened to me anyway. Take away the taboo and make it ordinary and it loses its appeal. Nothing particularly exciting to me in watching other people having sex in a film that don't have any connection to me. After awhile ( at least in my case) I stopped getting sexually excited unless I was actually interacting with a live human being. That may be me though, everyone is different and it could take some time. I think in general though that porn has become so commonplace and ordinary that its allure is rapidly fading for anyone who isn't busy pushing it away. Tantra is very much about freedom from being enslaved by desires and by making what you desire ordinary and not forbidden is one way to get bored with it and thus losing its grasp on your mind. |
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sivasambho
USA
136 Posts |
Posted - Sep 16 2012 : 08:42:26 AM
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Hi Victor,
Bingo! We should be able to live life on our terms as much as possible, like how steve jobs did. The world couldnt influence us on every small thing. I have exactly the same attitude about porn. Why bother about somebody else's act. I am very happy for them to have a good experience(if we suppose they are deriving happiness) but It doesnt give me experience except for some more mental chattering and any emotions related to the sexual function.
I have been interested in both experiences that are profound and unprofound hoping that would let me be in touch with the truth(the traditional reason for tantra). I found this video between J.krishnamurti and chogyam trungpa, where JK says experience has nothing to do with truth. Though at this point I am willing to settle with some experiences to lead me to something later. Why not say disorder is order... Self delusion? Oh well.... :)
JK also kind of almost said, "chogyam - you have been too mischievous :)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg0-yK5dJNE
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Sep 16 2012 : 10:51:05 AM
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Kahlia wrote:
"The majority of porn is about women being objectified and serving and pleasing men"
Etherfish wrote:
"I'm just contemplating how one would arrive at a generalization about the majority of porn"
Kahlia wrote:
"Well as I said Ive watched it"
Oh, I get it; you're not really talking about the majority of porn then, just the few that you have watched. That makes more sense. |
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Cultivating a sence of awe. Plus porn.
