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sadhak
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 Posted - May 31 2006 : 06:07:08 AM
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Thanks Shanti,
You seem to know every nook and corner of the forum, and every lesson and number as well. What do you do the whole night - not sleep a wink and haunt the site? You just pull out references out of the hat... which brings me to , I need to go over the lessons all... and then over again a few times. Merci encore. |
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sadhak
India
604 Posts |
Posted - May 31 2006 : 06:13:51 AM
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BTW Jim, you bring me down thud.
The feeling of the shot was a relief response to your:
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If that approach sounds like the most tremendous and delicious relief, embrace that feeling tightly
And hey, I'm not holding the camera ... I'm the subject feeling the breeze and all, but not there in the shot.
Never mind, the long and short is, you say, 'brush your teeth.' And I say, 'Aye Sir, till the enamel wears off, and the teeth drop dead.'
(Now don't tell me to self pace to save the enamel and teeth. lol)
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - May 31 2006 : 10:43:45 AM
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Yeah, I woulda said that about the enamel...you got me 100% right!
Sigh....re "bringing down", that seems to be the perception of a bunch of people on this forum...that I'm sort of a guy holding a butterfly net trying to ground their flights. It's not a reputation I treasure, but as I've surfed yoga discussions both offline and online, I notice there's vastly more yoga "style" discussion (huggy and affirmative) than actual yoga discussion (devoted to clarity...and vigilance re: the incursion and cooption of mind). Consider me a character actor doing his eccentric part to try ardently to leave breadcrumbs as he slooowly comes to understand stuff. Since yoga doesn't actually involve "doing" things (aside from literally doing the practices) or moving places or advancing, those breadcrumbs almost always involve the necessity of stripping away (mis)conceptions, Yoganji's engineered an oh-so-simple pathway by which we clean lots and lots of mud from our windshields. As we add complexity by conceptualizing, analyzing, and elevating corollary "experiences", we are adding more mud! (and that's the ultimate bring-down!)
This forum, like any discussion of yoga, is intrinsically about adding complexity. So I'm trying to turn it topsy turvy by using the forum to help remind all of us (including me...I'm the very worst at all this, but I'm somewhat reformed these days) that yoga is subtractive, that this isn't a new skill to pick up, that we're already "there" but AYP is helping us to stop fighting and recoiling against the there-ness (that, essentially, what we are doing is no more awesome than brushing our teeth so we get just very slightly less oblivious and insane).
And that nicely returns us to the topic of this thread! 
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - May 31 2006 : 11:17:49 AM
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Jim said: Sigh....re "bringing down", that seems to be the perception of a bunch of people on this forum...that I'm sort of a guy holding a butterfly net trying to ground their flights
For what it is worth.. it has helped me a LOT.. so Thank You and don't stop.
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Manipura
USA
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Posted - May 31 2006 : 12:54:02 PM
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Originally posted by Jim and His Karma
Sigh....re "bringing down", that seems to be the perception of a bunch of people on this forum...that I'm sort of a guy holding a butterfly net trying to ground their flights. It's not a reputation I treasure, but as I've surfed yoga discussions both offline and online, I notice there's vastly more yoga "style" discussion (huggy and affirmative) than actual yoga discussion (devoted to clarity...and vigilance re: the incursion and cooption of mind).
A big huggy to you, Jim. What would AYP be without you? |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - May 31 2006 : 12:56:02 PM
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Come now Meg.. I can see Jim brushing off that hug.. 
But if you are accepting Hugs Jim.. Here is a big one from me((()))  |
Edited by - Shanti on May 31 2006 1:10:18 PM |
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Jim and His Karma
2111 Posts |
Posted - May 31 2006 : 1:23:53 PM
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| This is hell. |
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david_obsidian
USA
2602 Posts |
Posted - May 31 2006 : 1:31:16 PM
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Jim, if you think this is hell, wait till you die:
Obsidian said:
If we see each other in hell and spend fifty years on an assembly line stamping out red-hot brass IMO's for every one we missed in this life....
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Manipura
USA
870 Posts |
Posted - May 31 2006 : 9:47:34 PM
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Originally posted by Jim and His Karma
This is hell.
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sadhak
India
604 Posts |
Posted - Jun 01 2006 : 03:01:57 AM
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I can't stop laughing... that's why some of the letters look wriggly. This is such deja vu... and one I wouldn't miss just now. A bit like the one and half hours in a car pool to Yoga session, and the kind of conversations that would ensue. Only a lot more focussed here. And with several butterfly catchers in place other than Jim. We had fly swatters in that group.
Wha... David? That went right over... and still made me smile. The fool in me reigns.
Shanti... you seem to be the person to catch just now... you were talking of group meditation. I have understood that practitioners vibrate at many different level-ranges. During a group meditation there is exchange of auras, which is what contributes to common experiences, or heightened awareness, or a different level of meditation. BUT, also that if people of different vibration ranges should not meditate together, or the new ones tend to have an adverse affect on the ones who've been meditating since long. Is this your experience as well, and does Yogani say anything about this? In fact, there were several groups made based on their 'prana' level which was detected by the more perceiving and sensitive older students. Does this apply to the AYP method too? (since yogic principles are universal) And what about when children want to learn (I have a bunch around here wanting to learn 'yoga')... any precautions? Dos? Don'ts? |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jun 01 2006 : 10:05:20 AM
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Hi Sadhak,
This group meditation thing is new to me.. I started this group only because I wanted more people to experience deep meditation. In about a year and half, AYP has changed my outlook towards life and spirituality and I think everyone has a right to experience this.
Yes, you can actually feel the energy in that room during meditation. All of these ladies were trying out meditation for the first time and the impact it had on them was tremendous. However they are all just at the beginning level.. at least in this life time.. so that maybe the reason I don't find any problems. All of them go in very deep.. I can tell because they take a long time to come out of it.. also since I don't meditate at this time.. I can hear the fan and the kids and traffic noise.. but later if I ask them if it bothered them.. none of them remember hearing any of it... or maybe just hear in the beginning. I am really impressed at how well they are doing.. and how dedicated they have been.. one reason could be.. they did not come with any expectations.. like I did.. I had a need to find God.. for them it was something to try .. and they got hooked to it.
I may not be the right person to answer your question.. I personally have had no trouble.. and when there were a few issues with the sensitive mediators.. with Yogani's advice we have done pretty well in overcoming them.
Here in lesson#37, Yogani talks about group meditations.
http://www.aypsite.org/37.html
In lessons#256 Yogani talks about Yoga and Kids..
http://www.aypsite.org/256.html
Here is the thread we had a discussion on group meditation.. and Yogani's views on group meditation..
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=1067
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Jim and His Karma
2111 Posts |
Posted - Jun 01 2006 : 11:44:52 AM
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| It's an all woman meditation group? You know, you ought to videotape the sessions. I'm betting, somewhere out on the internet, are fetishists for that sort of thing who'd pay good money to watch. |
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - Jun 01 2006 : 3:29:06 PM
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I like to watch! |
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Frank-in-SanDiego
USA
363 Posts |
Posted - Jun 02 2006 : 11:12:43 AM
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Hari OM
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Originally posted by meg
[quote]Originally posted by Jim and His Karma
This is hell.
Its not often I disagree, so before I do, this may be in jest...
yet, for the record if any one is keeping one let me know!
So here's my rant:
I do not think, believe, see, experience, understand, been taught, live or even concieve thislevel of creation/consciousness is hell. Never was, never will be... hell, is in your mind - if this existence is hell [for any AYP folk], I hope it corrects itself soon!
This [creation] is an expression of HIS consciousness, no hell included.
Now, that said, there are 14 loka's that are recognized from Svarga Loka - heaven, to Naraka Loka, hell. YET all are still relative field of life... once in Brahm Vidya these are just concepts, ideas, that fade away.
We all have the opportunity to visit, better word is earn, these levels of existence and consciousness. Again, in various conversations I have only met 1 person so far ( after asking for 40+ years) that remembers their last time around. An interesting conversation transpired (this is not John's conversation).
I do not have permission to discuss his experience, yet my question to this sadhu was NOT who where you last time, but do you remember what happened to you 'in between' life's? This was an interesting volley of emails back and forth and insights gained. Now, was it truthful? I have no reason to doubt this gentleman as he was hesitent to even discuss, and stayed on general terms till I probed ( gingerly) for some additional info...
I do know and experince this every day:
'The world is, as you are' - maharishi mehesh yogi
agnir satyam rtam brhat
Frank in San-Diego
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Manipura
USA
870 Posts |
Posted - Jun 02 2006 : 11:39:29 AM
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| Some people say that this existence is the worst hell they'll ever know, while others say it's the greatest heaven. I don't believe in either hell or heaven, so I'd say, this is it! Might as well settle in and get comfy, cuz we're going to be here for a lo-o-o-ong time, in one form or another. |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jun 02 2006 : 11:47:36 AM
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Yes Meg,
This is heaven and this is hell.. so might as well make the best of it.. |
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Jim and His Karma
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Frank-in-SanDiego
USA
363 Posts |
Posted - Jun 02 2006 : 12:10:41 PM
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Hari Om
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Originally posted by Shanti
Yes Meg,
This is heaven and this is hell..
I think this is a line from the Eagles? Hotel Calif!
thx!
agnir satyam rtam brhat
Frank in San-Diego
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jun 02 2006 : 12:15:42 PM
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Nope Frank..
I said This IS heaven and this IS hell..
The Eagles ..Hotel Calif goes..
This could be Heaven or this could be Hell
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ranger
USA
45 Posts |
Posted - Jun 02 2006 : 12:40:15 PM
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| I vote for Purgatory. |
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - Jun 02 2006 : 1:05:43 PM
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| Would that mean we're purging? |
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