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alan
USA
235 Posts |
 Posted - May 24 2006 : 6:24:16 PM
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Hi fellow yogis and yoginis (love those words)
I've been doing yoga for less than a year and have been becoming slowly more aware of the energy movements.
But lately, usually after a session but not always, I've been experiencing a curious thing. I'll be going about my chores and suddenly a dizzying "vortex" of a thick column of energy turns inside of my head. It makes me feel like either I'm turning or the world is turning around me. It comes out of nowhere and moves with purpose. It moves upward, feels huge and alive, and courses thru me a few times. I sit down and become very still and watchful. The presence of it lasts awhile. After it subsides I'll feel joyful and peaceful. I only feel it in my head and back of my neck and I think it always turns one direction. It feels bigger than me. For a while after I'll feel my crown tingling. No doubt this is kundalini. Anyone experience it like this? Just curious if anyone has any pertinent info.
Peace, alan |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - May 24 2006 : 11:11:25 PM
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Hi Alan:
Yes, a whirling can happen and is not uncommon in energy movements associated with purification. It can be whirling in both directions at the same time too -- ascending and descending. If there is disorientation or dizziness it usually will pass pretty quickly. If it gets to be too much, you know what to do -- self-pace...
The guru is in you.
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lucidinterval1
USA
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Posted - May 24 2006 : 11:22:07 PM
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Hello Alan,
You should feel fortunate that this is happening so soon. That must be the result of some past life conditoning. As Yogani says, keep an eye on self paceing.
All the best!
Paul |
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david_obsidian
USA
2602 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2006 : 09:54:19 AM
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Welcome back Paul! Haven't seen you in a while, I believe....
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2006 : 10:53:45 AM
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Thank you yogani and Paul.
When I read that the whirl can go in both directions at the same time I reflected on the movement in me and realized that the energy does go both directions at the same time (up and down), not just up. The simultaneous up and down force is probably what causes the disorientation.
A couple of questions: When I read of kundalini events they seem to be along the entire spine. Why only in the head for me at this point? Does this have any meaning as to what is being purified? Is there full spine kundalini events in the waiting?
And Paul, Is this really considered soon to be experiencing this? I am of the opinion with quick kechari ability and other indications show that past life conditioning may be so. I only wish that extended to lotus asana (or even half lotus )
I'm wondering if my not too distant addiction to maximum cc's of meth injection so as to "pop" the top of my head, get a major buzzing and rush and sometimes nearly pass out, then go go go, then drop drop drop might have been my past life conditioning? Interesting, eh? Yoga is so much more real, alive, now, healthy, etc. etc. etc.
Peace, alan |
Edited by - alan on May 25 2006 10:56:53 AM |
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2006 : 2:50:17 PM
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By the way, I understand that everything experienced is just conditioning for the ultimate "goal". As a matter of fact the "ultimate goal" is always being realized by me in all the little yet monumental daily experiences of beauty, peace, and continuing growth into being awakened into awareness, and sharing these with the rest of creation.
It is nice though to be experiencing some purification. It helps whittle away the old jones
Peace, alan |
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - May 25 2006 : 3:37:17 PM
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| Alan, there's no reason to think this won't remain a mild and pleasant effect. But bear in mind that ajna (third eye) is effectively the control center for your body's energy systems. Get acquainted (if you haven't already) with sambahvi mudra and go to that if you ever feel like the energy is in any way disruptive. Sambahvi helps reestablish the root-to-third-eye pathway (which you're alread reinforced via spinal breathing), and that keeps things nicely on the table, so to speak. No need to fight anything or seek to over control these things, but it's nice to have a safe ground to go to, so just keep this on reserve in the back of your mind as a "break glass in emergency" option. |
Edited by - Jim and His Karma on May 25 2006 3:38:04 PM |
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2006 : 3:56:26 PM
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Thanks Jim for your advice
One of my kriyas is that pathway. I should be safely covered in the emergency department
Thank you
alan
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lucidinterval1
USA
193 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2006 : 9:03:46 PM
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Alan,
I know lots of people into yoga and meditation that do not experience any energy movements after years of practice. But the spinal breathing is a very powerful tool. Practice wisely especially if you have an addictive nature.
David,
Thanks for the welcome back. I was spending a little time in a parrallel universe....... |
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cosmic_troll
USA
229 Posts |
Posted - May 26 2006 : 12:50:51 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by alan
As a matter of fact the "ultimate goal" is always being realized by me in all the little yet monumental daily experiences of beauty, peace, and continuing growth into being awakened into awareness, and sharing these with the rest of creation.
Hi Alan,
I haven't experienced the whirling vortex, but have felt a minty freshness in my spine (simultaneous warm + cool currents), along with the crown tingling you mentioned. Do you get nausea with the dizziness? I couldn't imagine that being pleasant...
You have a wonderful way of articulating your experiences.
peace |
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - May 26 2006 : 10:25:45 AM
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Hi Cosmic;
Writing words can be fun, you know. They do tend to get in the way though with captain ego at the helm.
I don't get nausea. It feels "good", a little scary/exciting. It feels good because I can feel real things (life force) moving, shifting purifying. It brings peace and watchfulness and some awe. It doesn't happen all the time. Maybe once a week.
I've just barely begun to feel hot/cold currents. The minty fresh sounds good. Hope I get that. It's all good, eh?
Good sadhana to you, alan |
Edited by - alan on May 26 2006 10:33:47 AM |
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yogani
USA
5201 Posts |
Posted - May 26 2006 : 11:05:07 AM
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Hi All:
The minty sensation in the spine and elsewhere is a sign of the GI tract getting into the act, with higher digestion occurring in there, producing a refined somatic ("of the body") substance that permeates the entire nervous system. It is essentially the sexual function refining, combined with increasing porousness of the body tissues due to pranayama, mudras and bandhas. Then food, air and sexual essences combine to produce the alchemy of the somatic substance. It happens in the GI tract and can be felt in the spine during spinal breathing, and eventually all the time. It is what is behind other ecstatic sensations occurring from head to toe as well. It is the actualization of the "cool and warm currents" in spinal breathing that we begin priming with the cool and warm sensations of breath. The mint has a glow to it and is the manifestion of the manipura chakra in the belly too, which means "city of gems." It all ties together like that.
Mint (or liniment) is both cool and warm, yes? That is the sensation, with a glow and rising ecstatic quality as well. It is the stuff of ecstatic conductivity and radiance coming alive. It even whirls, and we may notice that before the minty sensations. It can be coming in any order and in any part of the body, depending on the unique course of our purification.
Fortunately, we do not need an in-depth intellectual understanding of the process to conduct this operation. We just do the easy daily practices with dedication, and in time it happens. Bravo for that!
This is why we talk about the option to do the cool and warm current thing in spinal breathing, and everything else associated with awakening ecstatic conductivity. May the mint be with you. 
The guru is in you.
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - May 26 2006 : 2:00:15 PM
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Thanks for the words of caution Paul. I shall walk the shusumna path with a cool head and eye open
The only real addiction I have had is in dwelling in the constructs of king ego in maya-land. The addiction I am cultivating to replace that is a growing focus on God.
Peace, alan |
Edited by - alan on May 26 2006 2:09:55 PM |
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Jim and His Karma
2111 Posts |
Posted - May 26 2006 : 6:25:09 PM
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I"ve taken a break for a few months from spinal breathing (because of concerns of pitta overload). I'm just restarting it, to huge effect (much more than before).
I never got any of the stomach jewels or anything close to it. I yearn to be minty fresh, though all things in due time I suppose. I'm wondering if it's my cessation of spinal breathing that's kept this from happening. Or maybe it's just not my time for it. |
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - May 27 2006 : 11:27:18 PM
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Hey, I think I know what you were getting at, Paul, about watching the addictive tendancy.
I'm not addicted to the practice (yet). I often have to make myself go and do it. But when I get things flowing in pranayama I do tend to go longer than prescribed by my teacher. Seems I like the rush. Imagine that! Just can't get enough of that sugar crisp!
Guess that could have something to do with the inner vaccuum tornado thing. I'll keep my Eye on it!
Peace, alan |
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lucidinterval1
USA
193 Posts |
Posted - May 30 2006 : 3:39:00 PM
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Alan,
I know what you mean. Sometimes when I have finished my meditation routine I will open my eyes and realize that I just want to go within some more. So I may close my eyes pick up the mantra and go a while longer. I do have to watch the pitta overload that Jim mentions though. There have been times when I thought that I fried my nervous system. I know that Anthem has mentioned similar symptoms. It's really something to watch for and keep in check. |
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - May 30 2006 : 3:47:29 PM
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I know all about this problem....hating to end the meditation 'cuz it was "just getting good", etc.
Here's the solution I found: take it with you. As you rest, as you get up and interact with the world, you needn't reconstitute into something noisy and superficial. Be your silence through the day.
If the meditative state means feeling dull-witted, sluggish, oblivious, or otherwise unaware, something's very off. Your silence is your awareness. And your awareness is sharp (just not noisy or graspy). You can be sharp driving, talking, walking, doing anything, and be 100% in your silence.
See if that helps.
The other tip is that, like eating or sleeping, the precedent you set for yourself in terms of sched becomes habitual. So if you meditate every day at the same time, and do it for precisely 20 minutes, that's what you'll crave and that's how it'll work. You tend to overshoot only when your body hasn't been conditioned to a routine. Get into the groove, and it all takes care of itself. |
Edited by - Jim and His Karma on May 30 2006 3:49:42 PM |
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lucidinterval1
USA
193 Posts |
Posted - May 30 2006 : 5:08:43 PM
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Good advice.
Thanks Jim |
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - May 30 2006 : 8:16:29 PM
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Yes, thanks Jim
I'll have to look up pitta overload. When you say fried I think I know what you mean. If I recall, that happens to me on occassion when I fit in too many long sessions on a Sunday with a lot of spinal breathing and deep meditation. I'm still learning to hook in to a natural flowing rythym with the breathing and energy flow (some days are better than others, though it's getting better all the time) so that's why I tend to go on a little longer 'til it gets flowing good. Coming out of meditation slowly can help bring silence into the day, but sometimes I have to jump up and go. I try to adjust to what the day brings which is always varied in some thing or other (mood, time, stress, etc.) and be at peace with it and accept that not every day is easy and flowing and it's all good anyway. In that way I can stay in silence more throughout the day, just by accepting what is, and yes that includes accepting the pains of an aging, tortured bodywith grace and a smile.
Peace, alan |
Edited by - alan on May 30 2006 8:28:39 PM |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - May 30 2006 : 9:03:11 PM
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Alan,
You can read up Lesson#69 for pitta overload..
http://www.aypsite.org/69.html
Also lesson#200 has some info on the diet for pitta overload..
http://www.aypsite.org/200.html
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but sometimes I have to jump up and go
If you ever have to do this, cut your practice time down a little bit so that you can take a little more time coming out of meditation and rest a little.. Jumping up and going.. and then being miserable the whole day and adjusting to "what the day brings which is always varied in some thing or other (mood, time, stress, etc.)" may work for some time.. but you may suddenly find it going out of hand. Do be careful.
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - May 30 2006 : 9:51:55 PM
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Thanks Shanti
I'll check it out.
I always thought a pitta overload was when I made my sandwich too big so everything spilled out and I couldn't get a good bite!
Peace, alan |
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - May 31 2006 : 6:30:37 PM
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I checked out the pitta overload & etc. lessons. Thanks Shanti, you're always on top of those lessons, aren't you
Now I'm wondering about these slight dry patches on my cheek-bones. I haven't been hanging out in the sun. I'm thinking of some other little rashes I've had here and there over the months. Anyway, curious stuff.
I'm wondering if sometimes our kundalini could have awakened earlier, unawares?
When I was a teen I used to get violent energy rushes that would make me pass out for a moment. I'd find myself on the floor or in a shrubbery The doctor said I was growing so fast that my system was trying to catch up and the blood was rushing to my head when I'd stand. Anyone experience anything like that?
Peace, alan |
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lucidinterval1
USA
193 Posts |
Posted - May 31 2006 : 9:51:08 PM
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Alan,
It sounds like some classic kundalini symptoms.
I've had rashes move around on my body from hour to hour. If I get an energy overload my face tends to get flush. I have had to learn to deal with some of it by diet. I try and stay away from caffeine and spicy foods. Also, I have switched to organic food and that helps alot. We make our own yogurt and buy raw milk. I have stopped eating farmed fish. I believe that the stress that an animal carries throughout it's life sends toxins into it's blood stream and lowers the quality of the nutrients contained within the meat. Processed foods (which is what most Americans live on) really get me wired. I have pretty much stopped eating out.
For me, it seems like the longer that I stay with this program, the more I have to give up in terms of our typical daily decadence. The path then gets smoother to me. But it's a choice. I can refine my day to day choices and hopefully keep progressing, or I can give it up and go back to the Matrix.
( I still think that you are carrying over some past life conditioning......)
With Peace,
Paul
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NagoyaSea
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Posted - Jun 01 2006 : 12:24:14 AM
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Alan, as a teen I got energy currents through the spine but they were gentle--nothing like what you experienced. After coming back to meditation as an adult, during sleep/drowsiness prior to sleep, I'd get energy rushes that were like bolts of lightening. That has only happened a couple of times and I didn't pass out from it...
Paul, about those farmed fish....you wouldn't believe what some of them are fed...you're probably wise not to eat them unless you know the source & quality, etc. And thanks for the comment about home-made yogurt. I used to make mine for years and just stopped---should start that again..very good stuff.
Light and Love,
Kathy |
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alan
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - Jun 01 2006 : 01:52:55 AM
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I'm with you on the organic
Don't want to stop caffeine
Hardly ever bite a murdered animal
Peace, alan |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jun 01 2006 : 09:28:00 AM
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I was a teen I used to get violent energy rushes that would make me pass out for a moment. I'd find myself on the floor or in a shrubbery
Alan,
Don't know if these were kundalini related. My daughter has had these since she was 2 years old.. strangely.. just once a year... she too passes out for just a bit.. almost like paralyzed.. Knock on wood.. hasn't happened in the last 3 years...
The first time I did not even realize what happened.. now when I think of it I know it was the same thing.. The next time we went to the emergency room.. of course by the time they saw her 2 hrs had passed.. so even if there was something to be found.. they could not.. went through a bunch of tests... nothing...
Then one time this happened in school and the school nurse hounded me till I saw a neurologist.. multiple CAT scans, multiple MRIs, Angiogram, three sleep tests, gazillion blood tests.. that poor kid.. anyway.. there was nothing wrong with her.. so the neurologist ruled it borderline epilepsy brought on by migraine headaches. I have no clue what it was.. but it is gone now (I hope)..
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