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Originally posted by Yuri
The question is how to come to awareness without "giving it too much thought", without sliding to concentration?

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Originally posted by Yuri

Hi Karl, Etherfish

Thanks for participating; still I believe that meditation alone is not enough. In another thread of this forum were quoted beautiful lines:

http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....ation,action

INTO A BLINDING DARKNESS GO THEY WHO WORSHIP ACTION ALONE.
INTO AN EVEN GREATER DARKNESS GO THEY WHO WORSHIP MEDITATION.

FOR IT IS OTHER THAN MEDITATION,
IT IS OTHER THAN ACTION.
THIS WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE ENLIGHTENED ONES.

MEDITATION AND ACTION --
HE WHO KNOWS THESE TWO TOGETHER,
THROUGH ACTION LEAVES DEATH BEHIND AND
THROUGH MEDITATION GAINS IMMORTALITY.

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Originally posted by Yuri

Hi Karl

I came to clear understanding, that if rely on meditation only twice a day, and make no efforts throughout a day, fruits of spitritual development will be very low, if any at all.

At this stage I am already not searching for reassurance; no need. I am searching for the ways to implement it the best way.

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Originally posted by Yuri

Dear Karl

As I understand we both agree that we shall practice meditation daily (or twice per day) to "obtain" these glimpes of stillness.

Then the question is what to do out of meditation (in usual life), how to maintain these glimpses.

As I understand, you answer is "nothing, just to wait, while these still glimpses penetrate your nature deep enough; then it will come automatically"

OK, I got it, but have another point of view. I think we shall apply some efforts outside of meditation to fight ego, and to maintain "still' glimpses.

Let's wait couple of years; may be I will come to your understanding; or may be you will come to mine

Love and Respect

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People often ask how to bring the practice into daily life. The answer is relatively simple. It's one many people don't like to hear, but it is simple: restraint. There are basically two kinds of restraint. There's restraint in what you do, and restraint in how you look and listen and smell and taste and feel and think about things — in other words, restraint in what goes out, and restraint in what comes in. And both kinds of restraint require a good amount of skill.

Try to notice when you look at something: Does your attention go flowing out? Do you lose your sense of the body? If you do, it's a sign that your looking isn't all that skillful. You want to be able to stay in the body as you look, as you listen, to maintain your sense of the breath energy throughout the body. If you can't, that's a sign either that you're looking for the purpose of forgetting the body — in other words, you're looking for the purpose of greed, anger, or delusion — or you're simply careless, and the sight, the sound, the smell, or the taste, whatever, happened to catch you off guard.

That's how most people look and listen and smell and taste and feel and think about things. They forget their inner center and suddenly find themselves centered outside, trying to get some pleasure from grabbing onto a sight or a sound and then elaborating on it — either to make it more attractive or to make it seem more meaningful than it actually is. If the mind is in a mood for a little bit of anger, you focus on the things that would provoke the anger and then you can elaborate on it, proliferate as much as you like.

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