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Ananda
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 Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 05:30:23 AM
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Someone said to Buddha,
“The things you teach, sir,
are not to be found
in scripture.”
“Then put them in there,”
said Buddha.
After an embarrassed pause
the man went on the say, “May I
be so bold as to suggest, sir,
that some of the things you
teach actually contradict the
scriptures?”
“Then the scriptures need amending,”
said Buddha.
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A proposal was made at the United Nations that the scrip-
tures of every religion be revised; everything in them that
leads to intolerance or cruelty should be deleted; everything
that damages the dignity of human beings should be de-
stroyed.
When it was found that the author of the proposal was
Jesus Christ, reporters rushed to his residence. His explana-
tion was simple: “The Scripture, like the Sabbath, is for
human beings,” he said, “Not human beings for scripture.”
From the sweet rosy fragrance of beloved father Anthony De Mello |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 05:53:38 AM
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 06:21:15 AM
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It's ironic that scriptures warn against worshiping false idols, and then people worship the scriptures as an idol.
There is no way to write them that will prevent misunderstandings. |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 11:27:46 AM
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| Why not?! I dare to have this dream. Best we can do right now is to work on the level of individuals like what's going on here in AYP... Day by day, there are more and more people who are like minded to the open mentality we have over here. It would surprise you what kind of change is happening to those whom I interact with in the Arab world. By change, I mean a radical humanitarian and loving one. I am in infinite gratitude to Yogani in just seeing how open I've become to other systems spiritual paths. I also feel very honored to be able to see the change which is going on in the ones I instruct. It's a true waking up. |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 11:40:13 AM
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When the guru sat down to worship
each evening the ashram cat would
get in the way and distract the
worshipers. So he ordered that
the cat be tied during evening
worship.
After the guru died the cat
continued to be tied during evening
worship. And when the cat
expired, another cat was
brought to the ashram so that it
could be duly tied during evening
worship.
Centuries later learned treatises
were written by the guru’s scholarly disciples
on the liturgical significance
of tying up a cat
while worship is performed.
Anthony De Mello, SJ |
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WoodDragon
USA
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Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 1:33:26 PM
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| The danger of Scriptures is the danger of them becoming dogma. All things change, humanity is no exception, our awareness is no exception. When we bind ourselves to dogma and Scriptures with no thought, we chain ourselves to a false immobility, constraining growth. |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 1:37:13 PM
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what is the matter with people?...they always end up hurting cats for giving examples...poor creatures...
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....PIC_ID=10285
i was one in some life...
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Edited by - maheswari on Sep 22 2011 2:26:56 PM |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 6:41:07 PM
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The reason there is no way to write them to prevent misunderstandings is words mean different things to different people based on their world view. Have you ever gotten a completely different understanding of words you have known before? Many different meanings; same words.
That's one reason AYP is a huge step in the right direction. When people discuss things it works out those differences in meaning (sometimes more, sometimes less). The forums in combination with Yogani's writings and many scriptures people bring here, are much better communication than just written words. Then we take away idolizing of any one source, whether a guru or scripture, and voila! A greatly accelerated path. |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Sep 23 2011 : 01:57:09 AM
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Sep 23 2011 : 11:17:43 AM
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please also note that throughout history scriptures have been interpolated by various religious sects, schools of philosophy and political parties to suit their outlook and conclusions...
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Sep 23 2011 : 11:27:09 AM
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| A+ I agree. I would also like to note that we don't want to bash any religions or scriptures over here; We respect them all. We are just sharing our own humanitarian opinion. |
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - Sep 23 2011 : 1:12:35 PM
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Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try
No people below us, above it's only sky
Imagine there's no countries, it isn't hard to do
No need to kill or die for and no religions too/John Lennon
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Sep 23 2011 : 6:59:41 PM
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"You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not"
-Dinner for Schmucks" 2010 |
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - Sep 24 2011 : 01:41:18 AM
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quote:
The danger of Scriptures is the danger of them becoming dogma.
'God has no religion"/Ghandi |
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Sep 24 2011 : 10:27:04 AM
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Originally posted by Ananda
A+ I agree. I would also like to note that we don't want to bash any religions or scriptures over here; We respect them all. We are just sharing our own humanitarian opinion.
no one is bashing anyone, why you say that? |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Sep 24 2011 : 10:31:21 AM
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Just caring for others' feelings Some might think it provocative if a person like me suggests that their religion be changed like the way I am proposing. Trust me I know quite a few |
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 09:27:29 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ananda
Just caring for others' feelings Some might think it provocative if a person like me suggests that their religion be changed like the way I am proposing. Trust me I know quite a few
modernization of outdated religious concepts and traditions is nothing new and has become a tooth and nail fight within many circles.. |
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Ananda
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Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 10:21:28 AM
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| Not over here dear... People are very sensitive and too identified when it comes to religion, come over and visit a few areas (Christian and Muslim) in Lebanon and talk about changing one letter of any holy books or "Modernizing" religion... I promise you, you'll end up as Shish Kabbab |
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 11:54:23 AM
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| the scripture that were written thousands of years can NOT fit our days anymore....it is just static dogma |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 12:03:15 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by maheswari
the scripture that were written thousands of years can NOT fit our days anymore....it is just static dogma
Couldn't agree more |
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jeff
USA
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Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 3:40:39 PM
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Originally posted by maheswari
the scripture that were written thousands of years can NOT fit our days anymore....it is just static dogma
I would disagree. While the religious institutions often get lost and confused, the actual words of the great masters can be timeless.
As an example, the words of the Dhammapada, Tau Te Ching and Jesus (in the Gospels) are still relevant (and valuable) today.
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Ananda
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Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 3:53:00 PM
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I also agree with Jeff
Which brings me back to the original goal behind this topic. Aiming to work on the differences which separate between Religions by changing or removing them entirely. It's a dream "I know" but It could happen if we work for it. Candle lighting another candle and so on...
Every great achievement starts with a dream or an ambition. AYP is one of those achievements by the way Every one before was against putting such practices on paper and said it was too dangerous and irresponsible yet Yogani found a way and did it and it worked
Love always finds a way [img]icon_heart.gif[/img] |
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 4:24:45 PM
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would disagree. While the religious institutions often get lost and confused, the actual words of the great masters can be timeless.
As an example, the words of the Dhammapada, Tau Te Ching and Jesus (in the Gospels) are still relevant (and valuable) today.
i do not see any disagreement b/w us ....what u said totally supports the thread subject ie like Jesus who said:.the sabbath is made for man and not man for sabbath
but once one start having religious institutions...the mess appears...meaning religious instutions create illusionary religious limitations (ex:the scriptures should not be changed) and create illusionary differences in the human race...ex:i am christian and you are hindu and she is muslim and blablabla....stick to your daily prayers or you will burn in hell...our way is the way....etc....all the rubbish |
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 4:48:46 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ananda
Not over here dear... People are very sensitive and too identified when it comes to religion, come over and visit a few areas (Christian and Muslim) in Lebanon and talk about changing one letter of any holy books or "Modernizing" religion... I promise you, you'll end up as Shish Kabbab
amending scriptures and modernization are the same kind of thing frankly, and yes this conversation is very much at the forefront of religious discussion in many circles at this time in history, especially scholars..
anyway, you seem a little irritated by my input here...
so I'll bid you adieu.
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Delara
Lebanon
305 Posts |
Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 5:19:01 PM
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Sorry to mess all the excitement over here...majority won't like what I'm about to say but it's o.k!I'll say it anyway.
There's nothing wrong with the scriptures,there's nothing wrong with religions.All are equally beautiful & reflect truth.What look otherwise is our own misunderstanding and pre-judgment before even reading these scriptures.
Instead of this tendency to always change what's outside why not change oneself & accept others as they are even if they want to worship a stone.That would be much much better approach.
Again,my own opinion!ignore it if you don't like it!
Love to All |
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manigma
India
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Posted - Sep 25 2011 : 11:58:11 PM
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Originally posted by Delara
There's nothing wrong with the scriptures,there's nothing wrong with religions.All are equally beautiful & reflect truth.What look otherwise is our own misunderstanding and pre-judgment before even reading these scriptures.
Instead of this tendency to always change what's outside why not change oneself & accept others as they are even if they want to worship a stone.
Marvelous!
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AMEND THE SCRIPTURES
