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maheswari
Lebanon
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 Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 02:24:59 AM
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Shanti
USA
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Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 08:01:50 AM
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I remember when this realization came to me... I was sitting on my bed and suddenly it was there... "its ALL in the freakin' mind".
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wakeupneo
USA
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Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 1:21:04 PM
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We all sure have wonderful imaginations, don't we?
The fact that it's so absolute... NOTHING that can be perceived is real, is what makes it so hard to grasp for the pseudo-individual.
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karl
United Kingdom
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Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 1:38:39 PM
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Yes, but still real if you experience it that way. That reality doesn't just vanish because you intellectually understand the nature of mind.
To understand the mind with the mind is no understanding at all although it is revelatory
In effect you are saying that your mind is telling you that it doesn't exist. This I think was where Jesus was at when the devil told him to jump off a cliff and let God save him. Your ego rises even higher with those thoughts.
It's great to have the revelation but it's worth pointing out the clever little trap that the mind can set at this point.
This is why we need a certain amount of abiding silence before moving to self enquiry otherwise it simply becomes a philosophical exercise and is not related to true knowledge.
If it was truly relational then the thought would vanish as the mind becomes truly still. No revelations are necessary at that point as both question and answer are instantly nullified. Anything else continues to be the created manifestation of the mind and comes with a circular logic which attempts to make sense of itself in order to continue survival. |
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wakeupneo
USA
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Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 1:49:57 PM
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Agreed.
Intellectual understanding alone can drive you mad. There is a saying that not enough samadhi and too much knowledge and one will simply go mad, too much samadhi and not enough knowledge and one will stagnate.
Cultivate inner silence and come back to and abide as the subject of all experience, over and over again.
i've seen a satsang teacher who understood the nature of reality brilliantly but yet she looked like she was going to have a panic attack while giving satsang. Know another neo-advaita teacher whose has a deep understanding but he recently had a psychotic break down and is now heavily medicated. So what good is this self knowledge is it is purely intellectual and not experiential?
That's why i cringe when i hear neo-advaita teachers talk individuals out of practice by telling them that practice further solidifies the false-i because it is the false-i who efforts, who desires enlightenment. Ughh...
Need fertile soil for the seeds of self-knowledge to properly take root and flourish.
Thanks for bringing up that point, karl.
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Originally posted by karl
Yes, but still real if you experience it that way. That reality doesn't just vanish because you intellectually understand the nature of mind.
To understand the mind with the mind is no understanding at all although it is revelatory
In effect you are saying that your mind is telling you that it doesn't exist. This I think was where Jesus was at when the devil told him to jump off a cliff and let God save him. Your ego rises even higher with those thoughts.
It's great to have the revelation but it's worth pointing out the clever little trap that the mind can set at this point.
This is why we need a certain amount of abiding silence before moving to self enquiry otherwise it simply becomes a philosophical exercise and is not related to true knowledge.
If it was truly relational then the thought would vanish as the mind becomes truly still. No revelations are necessary at that point as both question and answer are instantly nullified. Anything else continues to be the created manifestation of the mind and comes with a circular logic which attempts to make sense of itself in order to continue survival.
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 2:29:03 PM
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Don't think Maheswari and I are talking about giving up practices. I had this realization 4 years back and haven't missed a day of practice. 
Sometimes it's just nice to share an experience... and that is all we are doing here. |
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jeff
USA
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Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 3:59:08 PM
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Originally posted by Shanti
Sometimes it's just nice to share an experience... and that is all we are doing here.
If it is all in your mind...
... Who are you sharing it with?
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maheswari
Lebanon
2520 Posts |
Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 4:05:00 PM
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where is the guillotine?
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folks you are perfectly right....but the mind that is rendered cristal clear through practices is the one going to lead you beyond mind....it is a tool....
"for the person who has controlled the vrittis through meditation there is a merging of the perceiver,perceived and perception,just as a crystal assumes the color of the background"(Patanjali Raja yoga sutras 1.41)
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 5:20:58 PM
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Originally posted by jeff
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Originally posted by Shanti
Sometimes it's just nice to share an experience... and that is all we are doing here.
If it is all in your mind...
... Who are you sharing it with?
You (a piece of the mind) and the rest of the forum... another piece of the mind.
Why else would anyone hang around here.   |
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bewell
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Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 10:10:29 PM
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jeff
USA
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Posted - Jul 21 2011 : 08:38:07 AM
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Originally posted by Shanti
You (a piece of the mind) and the rest of the forum... another piece of the mind.
Sometimes it's just nice to share an experience... and that is all we are doing here.
Why else would anyone hang around here.
As Maheswari pointed out...
"for the person who has controlled the vrittis through meditation there is a merging of the perceiver,perceived and perception,just as a crystal assumes the color of the background"(Patanjali Raja yoga sutras 1.41)
Don't we hang out here to learn to go beyond the mind... Or, to realize that the only friends that we hang out with is really just ourself.
Bewell - Being in the moment with your view... Something I can always do more of... Thank you.
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jul 21 2011 : 09:31:42 AM
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Originally posted by jeff
Don't we hang out here to learn to go beyond the mind... Or, to realize that the only friends that we hang out with is really just ourself.
We hang out here becasue we do Jeff. Maybe some day we wont. Something I read on FB today (thanks Amoux):
Life is its own purpose and doesn't need a reason to be. That is its beauty.
Life is simply life, and is not trying to prove anything at all.
- Tony Parsons
"for the person who has controlled the vrittis through meditation there is a merging of the perceiver,perceived and perception,just as a crystal assumes the color of the background"(Patanjali Raja yoga sutras 1.41)
Thanks for this.
There are 2 ways to look at this... from one the perspective the crystal is changing to match the background(we are changing to realize "that").... from another perspective the crystal has now become one with all (we realize we were always "that" and everyone around is "that"). From one perspective we are hanging out to become one with all (go beyond the mind, cannot become one with all while mind is in control), from another we are hanging out becasue we realize we are all one.
PS: For some reason, this post does not like the word "t o n y" in it. |
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Arjuna
USA
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Posted - Jul 21 2011 : 09:58:02 AM
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| The person writing this message has yet to experience what all of you are discussing. Although for the past few months, I am experiencing a strange feeling as though something is aproaching...almost a sense of impending doom. It is as if I am on the precipice of a shift in perception that will be unlike anything I can imagine. It is both exciting and terrifying to my current situation. |
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jeff
USA
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Posted - Jul 21 2011 : 11:04:52 AM
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Originally posted by Shanti
We hang out here becasue we do Jeff. Maybe some day we wont. Something I read on FB today (thanks Amoux):
Life is its own purpose and doesn't need a reason to be. That is its beauty.
Life is simply life, and is not trying to prove anything at all.
- Tony Parsons
I am not really trying to disagree, just pointing out the difference in what you and Maheswari were saying. I agree completely with the above quote and said basically the same thing in my comment to Bewell, "Being in the moment with your view... "
Peace & Love.
p.s. Glad things worked out with Tony.
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jul 21 2011 : 11:06:58 AM
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Originally posted by jeff
p.s. Glad things worked out with Tony.
Someone put him in the bad word list .. all fixed now.
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jeff
USA
971 Posts |
Posted - Jul 21 2011 : 11:12:54 AM
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Arjuna,
Sounds like good things are happening. First you "feel the flow", then you start to "go with it".
The rest is just learning to smile a lot...
But be careful, you find that you want to play like a kid again... |
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Arjuna
USA
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Posted - Jul 21 2011 : 11:51:54 AM
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Jeff,
How prophetic is your comment to "want to play like a kid again". I am 50 yeras old, and have been practicing AYP for ~2 years.
Anyway, last week I bought a bicycle, and have been riding around my neighborhood spontaneously resurrecting the way I felt when I was a child. Happy, peaceful, full of energy, and an overwhelming sense of wonder!
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jul 21 2011 : 12:00:13 PM
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Originally posted by Arjuna
The person writing this message has yet to experience what all of you are discussing. Although for the past few months, I am experiencing a strange feeling as though something is approaching...almost a sense of impending doom. It is as if I am on the precipice of a shift in perception that will be unlike anything I can imagine. It is both exciting and terrifying to my current situation.
Hi Arjun,
I have gone though those moments of "feeling of impending doom" too. At times it has to do with purification and/or pre-openings, but at times it has to do with unconscious fear of what is going on in our lives right now (which is purification too... we go through our lives in fear, but dont recognize the "feeling of impending doom", till we open enough to catch it... so the fact that you can separate and identify this this is a big step in our path). Do you practice any form of self inquiry? Look into this and see if it maybe something that can be inquired into and let go.
And you have the "shift in perception that will be unlike anything I can imagine." right... the shifts are nothing like we imagine. They are really tiny and yet change us from within.
Continue with your practices. Good things are happening. |
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jeff
USA
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Posted - Jul 21 2011 : 12:18:40 PM
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Originally posted by Arjuna
Jeff,
How prophetic is your comment to "want to play like a kid again". I am 50 yeras old, and have been practicing AYP for ~2 years.
Anyway, last week I bought a bicycle, and have been riding around my neighborhood spontaneously resurrecting the way I felt when I was a child. Happy, peaceful, full of energy, and an overwhelming sense of wonder!
Arjuna,
I also turn 50 in a few months, but as you are finding out, age is just part of the body-mind. That "sense of wonder" is what Jesus was talking about with "be like a child". A "sense of wonder" is highly underrated, and far more important than worrying about states of mind.
Peace, Love, and everybody come out and play...
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vijikr
United Arab Emirates
413 Posts |
Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 11:07:03 AM
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God will not save you, ...not the grace of a god, not prayer, not a miracle, only enlightenment..... the enlightnement of knowing that it's all in your mind....... thoughts in the mind create the world......no mind no world.... I am IS....
even "Iam" is gone..only that remains is "IS"
Love n Light
Viji
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