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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
 Posted - May 08 2011 : 1:30:05 PM
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In the past, I have been the sort of fellow who tears down the front
door to the devil worship / child-sacrifice center, bellowing
challenges, then gets upset when the clash of ideologies is not
kind to me!
If we want to help someone, we have to go to where they are,
and leave the dirty rags of our personal choices, far, far away.
This is not a one-size fits all universe.
Strictly speaking, nobody is "wrong" and "nobody" is right;
we all find ourselves doing what we must, and all too often
attempt to force that way upon others, to make ourselves,
not the other person more comfortable.
None of this is necessary. I think i'll stop flogging myself now.
Namaste,
Kevin Cann |
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davidg
United Kingdom
36 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 5:39:28 PM
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the truth is,
theres no more or less... of the present moment, it just is.
not enough room for right and wrong stuff, even if there was its all small stuff
namaste
david
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whippoorwill
USA
450 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 6:16:56 PM
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For what it's worth.... You've got lots of sympathy headed your way from someone who's really good at hacking people off.  Good ideas will stand up to scrutiny. And I value your ideas, criticisms, and point of view. |
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 7:49:55 PM
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@Lizmoran,
I can see you work in an area similar to what I do. I do *tons* of technical writing
and do lots of analysis, though more systems than business-orientated.
Although it is the rational mind which makes us so unhappy, among other things,
I definitely appreciate using it, when it is the servant not the master.
I can understand your having sympathy. I have been an infinite rebel, not accepting
anything from human society as having the slightest value.
Now here I am, landed smack in the middle of a well-designed system, that is ideal
for safely guiding someone from zero to hero step by step.
I do not, under any circumstances wish to disrupt this beautifully crafted system.
However I did not grow up under it.
However how I did grow up, is certainly found within the 8 limbs of yoga.. so it's
not like AYP is a foreign language.
It would be wise, to keep my perspective far from the more public areas, and only
post in those folders of a more alternate and philosophical area. In my exuberance,
I have made an ass of myself. To see so many people wishing to learn got me all
excited. It had been so long since I'd met anyone wanting to learn..
I may decide to teach AYP, and if I do, i will put as little "Kevin" into it as
possible, so that I do not make it something that Yogani never intended.
However this setting aside of direct experience for a syllabus is something I am
completely ill-equipped for at present.
It would however be good for me, to chop wood and carry water. Anyone can be mouthy,
it takes a truly fine person to set aside all that hinders and do useful work.
Thanks for the "moral support".
Kind Regards,
Kevin Cann |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 8:20:19 PM
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| You might read the lessons and practice AYP. Then you can write about your experiences with the AYP system. That is the primary purpose of the forums. |
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cosmic
USA
821 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 8:39:51 PM
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| I agree, especially if you want to teach AYP at some point. Establishing a daily practice would be a good first step. |
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 8:45:20 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Etherfish
You might read the lessons and practice AYP. Then you can write about your experiences with the AYP system. That is the primary purpose of the forums.
Indeed. Read most of the lessons. Bought most of the books.
Tried many of the lessons.
My experience with the AYP system is not something I would
choose to write about at this juncture. My body seems to recognize
most of the exercises.
But even the most basic exercises puts me into samahdi. Even not
doing the lessons I fall into samahdi.
Samahdi is fine and all, but I'm self-pacing not to open the
crown too fast. I wish I'd have had the wisdom to realize that
37 years ago when it first started opening further.
That's why I talk about other things, in other non-ayp folders,
as I can't talk about AYP.
Of course, I didn't realize how carefully I should tread when
I first came to the forums. In my previous tradition, it was
very rough and tumble. Anything was fair game at any time.
But thanks for your excellent advice. I will very likely seek
to master all the exercises other than kechari mudra, if ever
the samahdi lets up. If it doesn't.. I won't be able to.
-Kev |
Edited by - kevincann on May 08 2011 9:11:36 PM |
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 8:47:20 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by cosmic
I agree, especially if you want to teach AYP at some point. Establishing a daily practice would be a good first step.
I've had a daily practice for 45 years.. just not an AYP
daily practice. But of course your point is accurate,
should it be possible to implement.
-Kev |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 9:18:23 PM
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by kevincann
I will very likely seek
to master all the exercises other than kechari mudra, if ever
the samahdi lets up. If it doesn't.. I won't be able to.
-Kev
Yes, very good to self pace. I didn't know you had read all the lessons.
But it's not necessary to master all the exercises!
What is important is to establish a twice daily routine, based upon meditation.
All I do is meditation, and spinal breathing, nothing else.
I have been practicing that for years, and I will continue.
Maybe in your case a lot of grounding is needed instead.
Please don't misunderstand that everyone does all the practices. It's not like martial arts, it's more like graphic arts! Keep it simple, and practice consistently.
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Yonatan
Israel
849 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 10:21:30 PM
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Ether, I like your comparing it to graphic arts. Maybe the exercises are like different colors you can use, or a different saturation of one color. And different people are like different backgrounds or background material, they get affected differently from the practices....
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 10:27:27 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Etherfish
quote:
[i]Originally posted by kevincann
I will very likely seek
to master all the exercises other than kechari mudra, if ever
the samahdi lets up. If it doesn't.. I won't be able to.
-Kev
Yes, very good to self pace. I didn't know you had read all the lessons.
But it's not necessary to master all the exercises!
What is important is to establish a twice daily routine, based upon meditation.
All I do is meditation, and spinal breathing, nothing else.
I have been practicing that for years, and I will continue.
Maybe in your case a lot of grounding is needed instead.
Please don't misunderstand that everyone does all the practices. It's not like martial arts, it's more like graphic arts! Keep it simple, and practice consistently.
Yes, of course. I'm only trying as many as possible, to determine
whether it will be feasible to teach them someday.
When I was 4, I didn't even realize I was a body;
I thought I was a soul only. That is where I started from.
It took me quite some time to learn to talk, as I didn't
understand that there were separate beings, and that they
wished to communicate with me.
This is what happens, when you do practice wrong life after life.
However after my first beating, I was suddenly quite aware
that I was a body. In fact, the soul that I was went into
a sort of coma, and took quite some coaxing to come out again.
Basically my spiritual practice for my first 8 years,
was to sit quiety and tell my traumatized self, that I was
loved, to feel the Self in my flesh again, and for my Self
to send tendrils down again.
When I was 12, I stumbled across "Yoga Sutras Patanjali" and
"Kundalini: the Evoulutionary Energy in Man". I was in love.
I was changed.
I started finding myself doing "strange things" at that time..
I found myself doing automatic Sambhavi Mudra for hours at
a time. I thought I had invented it.. as I was all alone in
small town, bible belt Midwest.
So for a number of years, I simply did Sambhavi and pranayama.
Now that's about as unbalanced as you can get!
Being obsessive like I am, I would do practices for up to 1/2 a
day at a time, without much of a break.
When I was around 22, I did about 10 years of discrimination, in
conjunction with what I have called "Beauty bandha".
I didn't do much regular practice for a while.. got lost..
When I was 41, I ran into the Gopi Krishna people.
I learned how wondrous Kundalini was, and how people
had been attempting to discover how to arouse it with
precision forever and couldn't.
So being the foolish fellow I was at the time, I decided,
quite haughtily for sure, that i would simply will Kundalini
active.
So I did. I willed it. It happened just as easily as automatic
sambhavi. In truth, it was already active, I can now say, but
it certainly opened up like a tornado.
I spent those 8 years praying to the goddess Kundalni,
and getting to know her, so yes, in conjunction with
all the intruction from the Gopi Krishha folks and the
15 GK books I studied, I have learned a lot about the
negative and positive effects and stages of kundalini.
During those 8 years, i'd had no idead that by doing
a rational course of AYP first, I would have had few,
if any negative consequences. Doh* (palm slap).
Now of course, I'm just a silly man, and kundalini
happened to want to do what kundalni did. Let's just
say that you nobody should ever be this foolish. However
Kunadalini did in fact burn away huge amounts of karma
and did infact balance my system quite a lot, before
lodging in sahasrara and staying there.
In recent years I've been slowly doing more sane practices
but there has never been a moment in my life, 24x7 that at
a minimum I wasn't aware of my own higher self, acting as
a witness.
It took forever for kundalini to stabilize.. forever...
about 39 years, becuse I had no assistance, and I was
traumatized by the beatings and the religious people
swarming me, telling me that I'm going to hell.
I must say, that in some ways, the past few weeks that
I've been reading AYP, and doing sane practices, have
been some of the happiest of my life. The few practices
that i have been doing, in particular around my much
ignored svadhistana and manipura have been invaluable.
Right now I do a little spinal breathing, some beauty Bhanda,
as it is too gentle to cause overload and is effective,
as always I breathe yogically with all my breaths all day long,
a bit of focussed bastrika in 2 areas only, and I'm facing my
karma without any flinching. That's it for me right now.
I would be so grateful, if I could be accepted into a community;
but of course, i'm doing my best to screw that up.
I hope this was not too personal or rambling.
Kind Regards,
Kevin Cann |
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escapado
Germany
88 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2011 : 10:13:02 AM
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You act from a point of view as if you haven't been accepted and forgiven already
I did and still find myself many times doing this - explaining myself and trying to justify my behaviour even if I didn't do anything in particular wrong.
Of course at times when you do something that you didn't mean - like something you do when you are in rage - you can take the time and apologize
But from now on and in this moment you are not more or less than anybody here
What you do from now on depends on you not your past
Maybe you felt unaccepted by many or most or maybe all kinds of society
I went through a lot of this
What I learned and started doing is cultivating the consciousness and acting painstakingly
if you listen to your conscience hat's just my little point of view - how much can you REALLY do wrong?
I mean you got a head - use it and thik for yourself so you really know what you are doing. Don't give in to behariour/thiking patterns that hinder you from expressing your real self
Just be yourself, do your stuff, live your life
Maybe what you need is an autority that you can accept. Mine is my conscience beucase for me itis an intelligent approach to take the power from the ego and fueling your self-awareness (if you really act and not jsut think about hwo right your thoughts and ideas sound)
And doing this while cultivatig my consciousness feels perfectly right to me
But I should mention that I act on a very low level and I did not travel as far on the purification journey as others
But from the point of view of someone who was looking for acceptance for so long this is the best advice that I can give you
Of course it is individual and may differ but in the end I would cut it down to: Don't talk so much just prove yourself with actions |
Edited by - escapado on May 09 2011 11:43:06 AM |
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2011 : 11:56:01 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by escapado
You act from a point of view as if you haven't been accepted and forgiven already
I did and still find myself many times doing this - explaining myself and trying to justify my behaviour even if I didn't do anything in particular wrong.
Of course at times when you do something that you didn't mean - like something you do when you are in rage - you can take the time and apologize
But from now on and in this moment you are not more or less than anybody here
What you do from now on depends on you not your past
Maybe you felt unaccepted by many or most or maybe all kinds of society
I went through a lot of this
What I learned and started doing is cultivating the consciousness and acting painstakingly
if you listen to your conscience hat's just my little point of view - how much can you REALLY do wrong?
I mean you got a head - use it and thik for yourself so you really know what you are doing. Don't give in to behariour/thiking patterns that hinder you from expressing your real self
Just be yourself, do your stuff, live your life
Maybe what you need is an autority that you can accept. Mine is my conscience beucase for me itis an intelligent approach to take the power from the ego and fueling your self-awareness (if you really act and not jsut think about hwo right your thoughts and ideas sound)
And doing this while cultivatig my consciousness feels perfectly right to me
But I should mention that I act on a very low level and I did not travel as far on the purification journey as others
But from the point of view of someone who was looking for acceptance for so long this is the best advice that I can give you
Of course it is individual and may differ but in the end I would cut it down to: Don't talk so much just prove yourself with actions
I accept your gift of love to me and find it particularly worthy.
Thank you.
Namaste,
Kevin Cann |
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2011 : 1:30:29 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by escapado
Of course it is individual and may differ but in the end I would cut it down to: Don't talk so much just prove yourself with actions
Guten tag!
Meiner Deutsch zehr schrechtlich sein.
Ich habe zwei jahre deutch studerien, auch hoch schule,
dretizgi jahre (ago, don't remember the word auf deutsch).
I had to run off, before finishing my post to you, but I just
wanted you to know that I so appreciated your wisdom and love,
and that I love you too.
I will be posting something in the Philosophy of Yoga section,
that may answer your question. I do not blow off questions, I
live for them, even if it is a question about my own lack.
Namaste,
Kevin Cann |
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