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Ananda
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 Posted - May 31 2011 : 05:27:10 AM
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I think no one could ever do a perfect job in translating poetry, the melody which is the heart of the poem somehow always loses some of it's magic during the translation...
Love,
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Delara
Lebanon
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Posted - May 31 2011 : 06:45:01 AM
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Introduction:
If I ever reach a state of frustration
I complain to Thou Creator
The One whose power can ease any difficulty
How can I perceive Grievance while Thou art my Protector
Thou art my Supporter had life mistreated me
Shame!Never for Thy Subduer -protects soldiers- & never defeated
Thy One who is relied on in dessert
When my camel is no where to be seen
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Ananda
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Posted - May 31 2011 : 08:57:46 AM
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Thanks dear Delara, but as I said earlier; Sadly "The melody and the spirit" of the poem is lost in the translation...
Love,
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Delara
Lebanon
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Posted - May 31 2011 : 09:52:07 AM
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Yep I agree  |
Edited by - Delara on May 31 2011 09:53:58 AM |
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Ananda
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Posted - Jun 01 2011 : 04:01:59 AM
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I've sent you both a saying from my suffi friends which applies here
Maybe Delara could translate it and share it here...
The heart of the matter is that we are not attracted to the person who is the guru or sheikh, we are attracted to the light/Truth/Allah.
We are not even attracted to madinat el 3elem Mouhamad, Jesus, Buddha, Yogani, Ramana (Salla Allahou 3alayhem wa salam Jami3an). We are attracted to The Truth which they are shining
Love,
Ananda
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Delara
Lebanon
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Posted - Jun 01 2011 : 04:13:49 AM
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Delara
Lebanon
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Posted - Jun 01 2011 : 04:41:40 AM
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Today,at work ,I received your question dear one about Love of seekers & that of spirits with high readiness for enlightenment. Your question is not out of ignorance but of wisdom: No one likes the enlightened person & no one knows him/her. Those Who love the enlightened ones actually love the light in them and not personally them. The enlightened by the Supernatural is absent in the absence of encrypted treasure. the enlightened has never been seen.Only Allah knows Allah(God)
whoever reaches there…is never back
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Ananda
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Posted - Jun 01 2011 : 12:29:06 PM
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| The following which is shared by Delara is from my suffi friend, the one who initiated me to the path of Al Qassimia a few years back. Thank you for translating dear Delara |
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Delara
Lebanon
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Posted - Jun 01 2011 : 1:38:04 PM
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Jul 08 2011 : 06:14:59 AM
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Got back yesterday from Tunis, met the master and his disciples and received the Great name... They are the real deal alright and the place is like an oasis of angels inside the desert and I received what they had to offer. There are a lot of enlightened beings there plus a mystical presence is involved and the name of Allah is chanted all the time day and night... Slept under the stars in the middle of the desert and prayed in the sands and listened to the suffi sages who lived there...
It's like the place of dreams... And it was more spiritually intense then my visit to India....
But I was disappointed, didn't find what I expected. Just another path with more practices and the same goal and experiences but all put into an Islamic shape.
And what was the biggest disappointment is the existence of the sectarian factor which alarmed me quite a bit.
All in all if you are Muslim or ready to be one then by all means go, this is the best place on earth where you could go to be enlightened.
But if you are like me, you follow the religion of love and cannot be accounted to a certain religion while excluding the others Then Don't Go.
I cannot but be a buddhist a christian a muslim a hindu a jew etc. I didn't tell the sheikh I used to practice Yoga but still received confirmations from Him about my own experiences which I have experienced while meditating via AYP. All religions and all practices lead to the same thing no matter what any sheikh or priest or any religious guy will tell you. The end is one and there's no differentiation between any religion or path or creed... No path is better then the other and God is one!
Love is the way, just follow your own heart.
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Ananda |
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Ananda
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Posted - Jul 08 2011 : 07:19:06 AM
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Someone just asked me what is the great name, so I'll share my reply here just to clarify things:
It's the name of God used in meditation and pronounced in a certain way while sitting in a certain position and facing the Kaaba. It can only be given by Wali Al Zaman which is Sheikh Belgacem in our day and age. It's an old suffi practice which was used to be given to the mourid only after long years of fasting and praying inside a retreat place which was usually locked by the Sheikh.
I've been told it is given so openly nowadays because of the availability of too much temptations...
Love,
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Delara
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 08 2011 : 09:41:44 AM
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Welcome back!
congrats on the Greatest name of Allah...what a blessing!
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nearoanoke
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Posted - Jul 08 2011 : 10:01:45 AM
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| AYP is as simple as it can get. No Sectarian drama. No need to travel around the globe. Nothing is hidden. |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 08 2011 : 2:09:48 PM
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But I was disappointed, didn't find what I expected. Just another path with more practices and the same goal and experiences but all put into an Islamic shape.
And what was the biggest disappointment is the existence of the sectarian factor which alarmed me quite a bit.
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well at least you found out for yourself.....i think it was something to be expected.....the days of Rumi,Shams..etc...are gone and i dont think that islam will have soon a new sufi mystic that will boldly say what Rumi said:
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Why think thus O men of piety
I have returned to sobriety
I am neither a Moslem nor a Hindu
I am not Christian, Zoroastrian, nor Jew
I am neither of the West nor the East
Not of the ocean, nor an earthly beast
I am neither a natural wonder
Nor from the stars yonder
Neither flesh of dust, nor wind inspire
Nor water in veins, nor made of fire
I am neither an earthly carpet, nor gems terrestrial
Nor am I confined to Creation, nor the Throne Celestial
Not of ancient promises, nor of future prophecy
Not of hellish anguish, nor of paradisic ecstasy
Neither the progeny of Adam, nor Eve
Nor of the world of heavenly make-believe
My place is the no-place
My image is without face
Neither of body nor the soul
I am of the Divine Whole.
I eliminated duality with joyous laughter
Saw the unity of here and the hereafter
Unity is what I sing, unity is what I speak
Unity is what I know, unity is what I seek
Intoxicated from the chalice of Love
I have lost both worlds below and above
Sole destiny that comes to me
Licentious mendicity
In my whole life, even if once
Forgot His name even per chance
For that hour spent, for such moment
I’d give my life, and thus repent
Beloved Master, Shams-e Tabrizi
In this world with Love I’m so drunk
The path of Love isn’t easy
I am shipwrecked and must be sunk.
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Ananda
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Posted - Jul 08 2011 : 4:49:20 PM
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A wise sage have told me today.
As we say: "Take what is good for you, and leave the rest behind." That goes for AYP too. :-)
Love,
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Ananda
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Posted - Jul 08 2011 : 4:56:37 PM
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Dear Maheswari,
Nope their days aren't gone. I've met a lot of suffies who speak the language of love, brotherhood and unity and mercy. I've been also told that Sheikh Belgacem also speaks this way in private and the way i've shared for the general public.
The same goes for Sri Ramana and others, as a good friend have told me today. Even Ramana's ashram ended up having all the usual Hindu festivals and so on and the thing is still going on today as everyone goes to Tiru will see.
But Ramana used to speak otherwise in private and to be fair about Al Qassimya path. I think I over did it in being a critic because I didn't find what I was looking for and wasn't grateful for finding what I needed. Let's just take the good and this is good enough for me.
Love,
Ananda |
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Delara
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 09 2011 : 04:13:59 AM
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Originally posted by Ananda
As we say: "Take what is good for you, and leave the rest behind." That goes for AYP too. :-)
Go East GO West...Yogani is the best
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 09 2011 : 3:35:34 PM
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dear Ananda
i dont consider myself to belong to any religion and not even hinduism
but only in Hindu ashrams (in my experience Sivananda ashrams in Canada and Rishikesh)one meets people from all around the world and from all religions
Swami Chidananda (Sivananda ashram Rishikesh) never encouraged anyone to leave his native religion.For all genuine sages know that religionS are a tool and eventually it will be dropped.So what is the point in changing religion? Sufism encourages turning to Islam and the daily religious duties have to be done.
as for mantra initiation,Swami Chidananda always asked the devotee if he/she wants a mantra from his/her native religion.Swami Chidananda gave mantras that come from Christian or Muslim tradition...No sufi master does that
in Sivananda ashram too,hindu rituals and religious celebrations are done...but one has to admit that Hinduism is open minded... no tunnel vision...the history of India shows how much Hinduism embraced all religions (Kabir for instance)
Yoga and Vedanta proclaim that i am not the body,the mind ,the nationality,the religion...I am That...so why settle for less than That?
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I've been also told that Sheikh Belgacem also speaks this way in private
are his talks recorded somewhere for future reference? ...Ramana sayings are recorded that is why it is known that he gave instrutions to disciples according to what they can take...nothing is hidden...
Mansur al Hallaj spoke his opinions loud...same for Shams...they did not hide or speak privately..
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selfonlypath
France
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Posted - Jul 10 2011 : 01:36:23 AM
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Originally posted by Ananda
But I was disappointed, didn't find what I expected. Just another path with more practices and the same goal and experiences but all put into an Islamic shape.
And what was the biggest disappointment is the existence of the sectarian factor which alarmed me quite a bit.
I didn't tell the sheikh I used to practice Yoga but still received confirmations from Him about my own experiences which I have experienced while meditating via AYP.
Hey Ananda,
As you l now, I've been to meet Sheikh Belgacem in dec. 2009, spend one day there but i'm surprised you felt sectarian vibes. Maybe you're right but I was never subject to this problem where overall I've stayed one week in Tunisia.
Please note that even if you did not tell about your yogic practice, Sheikh is omniscient hence he knew you did. What is interesting, happens to me as well when I was with Sheikh, he knows but does not block any transmission.
I've spend also some time with another sufi saint in tunis who is disciple of Sheikh, Mohamed Abbes with whom I've exchanged tantric energy per budhist, shamanic,... Things go beyond sufi or any other lineage eventhough very dark forces attempt to suppress the divine process.
Albert
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Delara
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 10 2011 : 04:55:27 AM
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Originally posted by selfonlypath
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Please note that even if you did not tell about your yogic practice, Sheikh is omniscient hence he knew you did. What is interesting, happens to me as well when I was with Sheikh, he knows but does not block any transmission.
Albert
Hello Albert;
why would he?:) yoga,sectarian or not...I guess out of Love comes freedom...& freedom allows things to happen without judgement.
you've just reconfirmed that over here...Thank you
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Ananda
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Posted - Jul 10 2011 : 07:03:12 AM
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Thank you for your input dear Albert...
Dear Maha, I've only heard such talk from a friend of mine. Swami Chidananda is a rare exception and a lot of saints also are. It's not our business to say this one should do this or that. Let's just end this discussion about religions.
As for the great name, it's a very powerful practice and I've overloaded big time again... Back to self pacing
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Ananda
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Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 05:51:11 AM
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Namaste friends,
I feel like opening up this subject again because the path of sheikh Belgacem is a true one indeed.
Forget about all the mindy and little ego chattering I've said before. Enlightenment is not in ourselves as body mind and senses anyways it is beyond...
This path is a furnace for the small self. This is why it's been hard for me to keep along. It's not once of those paths where you sit at the side of the master and you feel love and beauty... Nope, it's not. The people who are in charge have mastered death and they smell as death.
The end of the old us to have a new beginning.
Many friends of mine have become enlightened or let's just say have found their peace and joy and fullness 24/7
One of those friends a young woman of the age of 24 who achieved what needs to be achieved a month and a half back in the presence of the sheikh. Told me: "This path is not mainly about practices and zikr or following a certain religion ect. Tasawoff as Belgacem says is all about love. The prophet Mouhamed says that God doesn't look at the outside appearances and actions of the person but looks into their hearts."
I still have a mytic relation with this path, it has been all along there along with AYP all throughout the years and It with AYP came along at the same time.
I can say nothing but recommend this path wholeheartedly for those who are seeking for a relation with a Genuine suffi master or lineage.
Much love,
Ananda |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 06:13:22 AM
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One of those friends a young woman of the age of 24 who achieved what needs to be achieved a month and a half back in the presence of the sheikh.
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Edited by - maheswari on Jan 18 2012 06:34:00 AM |
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Ananda
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Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 10:51:56 AM
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Ananda
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Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 4:25:14 PM
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Now I understand why I've been put in the situation I was put in at the Suffi Zawiya in Tunis. It was to rip me off of identity, belonging, religion ect. It was a cutting of the ego. It was really hard but I had to go through with it. It was for my own good.
On this path, all religions are accepted and everyone can stay on practicing whatever he is already practicing. But as I said earlier, these people have mastered death and smell as such. So this is no joy ride for the light hearted.
I've met Yassine today... A lot have been explained just without talk and without anything else.
Just simple fiery burning presence. It was one of those meetings between teacher and disciple which you only read about yet more... I was there for real in the presence of a fiery shining being of bliss. My heart have nothing but gratitude and cannot thank enough.
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Edited by - Ananda on Jan 19 2012 4:45:14 PM |
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Sheikh Belgasem Bel Khairy
