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manigma

India
1065 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2010 :  03:59:02 AM  Show Profile  Visit manigma's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message
http://balbro.com/shiva.jpg

Shiva is perfection.

There is no second, no third...

Awareness reflected in its purest form.

But still a reflection.

slenten

23 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2010 :  12:25:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by manigma

http://balbro.com/shiva.jpg

Shiva is perfection.

There is no second, no third...

Awareness reflected in its purest form.

But still a reflection.





Hi manigma,
I wondered what that look of sublimity on Shiva's face signified: Is it Nirvakalpa Samadhi, pure awareness, intuitive knowledge of Nirguna Brahman or just how nice and cool that snake feels around his neck on a hot, tropical morning.
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Kirtanman

USA
1651 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2010 :  6:06:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit Kirtanman's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by manigma

http://balbro.com/shiva.jpg

Shiva is perfection.

There is no second, no third...

Awareness reflected in its purest form.

But still a reflection.





Hi Manigma,

Are you saying Shiva is a reflection?

I would say Shiva is more a symbol .... of awareness.

Hence the phrase, as I understand it "Shivo'ham" (I am Shiva) - meaning that pure awareness is actually the experiencing subject.

The experience of awareness is reflection, yes.

Awareness itself is the pure light by which everything else is illuminated.

I'm not sure if you're saying anything different than that, or not (just curious).

Cool pic, btw - thanks for posting!

Wholeheartedly,

Kirtanman

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manigma

India
1065 Posts

Posted - Dec 21 2010 :  02:33:10 AM  Show Profile  Visit manigma's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by slenten
Hi manigma,
I wondered what that look of sublimity on Shiva's face signified: Is it Nirvakalpa Samadhi, pure awareness, intuitive knowledge of Nirguna Brahman or just how nice and cool that snake feels around his neck on a hot, tropical morning.


I guess its the nice and cool feeling of a snake around the neck.

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Chiron

Russia
397 Posts

Posted - Dec 21 2010 :  04:13:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by manigma

http://balbro.com/shiva.jpg

Shiva is perfection.

There is no second, no third...

Awareness reflected in its purest form.

But still a reflection.





If there's only one then there can't be a reflection.
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manigma

India
1065 Posts

Posted - Dec 21 2010 :  04:44:31 AM  Show Profile  Visit manigma's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Kirtanman
Hi Manigma,

Are you saying Shiva is a reflection?

I would say Shiva is more a symbol .... of awareness.

Hence the phrase, as I understand it "Shivo'ham" (I am Shiva) - meaning that pure awareness is actually the experiencing subject.

The experience of awareness is reflection, yes.

Awareness itself is the pure light by which everything else is illuminated.

I'm not sure if you're saying anything different than that, or not (just curious).

Cool pic, btw - thanks for posting!

Wholeheartedly,

Kirtanman




Symbol and reflection... Light and awareness... Words and silence.

INTO A BLINDING DARKNESS GO THEY WHO IDOLIZE THE ABSOLUTE,
INTO AN EVEN GREATER DARKNESS GO THEY WHO DOTE ON THE RELATIVE.

FOR IT IS OTHER THAN THE RELATIVE,
IT IS OTHER THAN THE ABSOLUTE.


Beyond both and more.
http://www.balbro.com/iam/that9.htm

Beyond Shiva!

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Kirtanman

USA
1651 Posts

Posted - Dec 21 2010 :  5:29:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit Kirtanman's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by manigma

quote:
Originally posted by Kirtanman
Hi Manigma,

Are you saying Shiva is a reflection?

I would say Shiva is more a symbol .... of awareness.

Hence the phrase, as I understand it "Shivo'ham" (I am Shiva) - meaning that pure awareness is actually the experiencing subject.

The experience of awareness is reflection, yes.

Awareness itself is the pure light by which everything else is illuminated.

I'm not sure if you're saying anything different than that, or not (just curious).

Cool pic, btw - thanks for posting!

Wholeheartedly,

Kirtanman




Symbol and reflection... Light and awareness... Words and silence.

INTO A BLINDING DARKNESS GO THEY WHO IDOLIZE THE ABSOLUTE,
INTO AN EVEN GREATER DARKNESS GO THEY WHO DOTE ON THE RELATIVE.

FOR IT IS OTHER THAN THE RELATIVE,
IT IS OTHER THAN THE ABSOLUTE.


Beyond both and more.
http://www.balbro.com/iam/that9.htm

Beyond Shiva!





Cool; got it- agreed!!



Wholeness is beyond all distinctions, even the distinction called "absolute".

Wholeheartedly,

Kirtanman
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manigma

India
1065 Posts

Posted - Dec 23 2010 :  08:18:17 AM  Show Profile  Visit manigma's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Kirtanman
Cool; got it- agreed!!



Wholeness is beyond all distinctions, even the distinction called "absolute".

Wholeheartedly,

Kirtanman


The Supreme One cannot be reduced to a thought in our sense-embedded minds. Trika saivism holds that, in order to fully appreciate the grandeur of the Supreme One, the aspirant must reach the first tattva (Shiva). And that is done when nirvikalpa samadhi is achieved. This is the state where all vikalpas (THOUGHTS) and samkaras are permanently destroyed during intense meditation.

Thus, the very act of trying to fit Brahman/ParamaShiva into our thoughts in our attempts to comprehend Him, is actually the act of distancing ourselves further from realizing him experientially. It just suffices to know or intuit that the Greatest One lies even beyond the Shiva&Shakti tattvas.

http://www.shaktisadhana.org/Newhom.../Tattva.html

Cool; saivism!

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Kirtanman

USA
1651 Posts

Posted - Dec 23 2010 :  9:17:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit Kirtanman's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by manigma

quote:
Originally posted by Kirtanman
Cool; got it- agreed!!



Wholeness is beyond all distinctions, even the distinction called "absolute".

Wholeheartedly,

Kirtanman


The Supreme One cannot be reduced to a thought in our sense-embedded minds. Trika saivism holds that, in order to fully appreciate the grandeur of the Supreme One, the aspirant must reach the first tattva (Shiva). And that is done when nirvikalpa samadhi is achieved. This is the state where all vikalpas (THOUGHTS) and samkaras are permanently destroyed during intense meditation.

Thus, the very act of trying to fit Brahman/ParamaShiva into our thoughts in our attempts to comprehend Him, is actually the act of distancing ourselves further from realizing him experientially. It just suffices to know or intuit that the Greatest One lies even beyond the Shiva&Shakti tattvas.

http://www.shaktisadhana.org/Newhom.../Tattva.html

Cool; saivism!





Yes Indeed!



Wholeheartedly,

Kirtanman
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