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345 From: "darlena" <adsl6n3k@tpg.com.au>
Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 0:10am
Subject: Re: Re: Kechari as a tool lesssie
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Speaking from a perspective of not having reached the stage of practicing kechari yet I think that maybe the benefits are individual as well as we as persons are different and individuals.
Our roads to enlightenment aren't the same, nor are they meant to be but they are different experiences and that's what I find is so inspiring and interesting about having a forum where we can talk about our differences as well as similarities.
Certain things as well are hard to put into words exactly to describe what we are experiencing and why so the least we need when posting about these issues is to have someone ask why??? Esp as we might just be searching for someone sayign they had similar experiences and maybe share what they did to get through.
Love
Lena
Everything changes
Nothing remains
without change
----- Original Message -----
From: vasililisa
To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:10 AM
Subject: [AYPforum] Re: Kechari as a tool
so what's the problem with saying openly
on the forum what the 'benefits' are?
lili
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Marks" <alex@a...> wrote:
> well, because it explains the benefits.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vasililisa
> what makes you think I haven't?
>
> lili
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Marks" <alex@a...> wrote:
> > Lili, surely you should read lesson 108!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: vasililisa
> > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:42 PM
> > Subject: [AYPforum] Re: Kechari as a tool
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Ashwin Sun
<ashwinjlsun@y...>
> wrote:
> > > KEchari Mudra can be achieved without snipping or
> > > cutting the frenum. This is what we had just
> > > ascertained and had been sharing about Lili...Tablya
> > > Kriya can get you there...this practice would not be
> > > included in the Lineages of some of the greatest
> > > masters of our current era without it being of major
> > > benefit to the spiritual aspirant. It causes a release
> > > of certain chemicals in the brain that induce a VERY
> > > peaceful state.
> > >
> > > FYI
> > >
> > > Ashwin
> >
> > mere existance is no guarantee of anything
> >
> > what would that "major benefit" be Ashwin?
> > what benefits can the practitioner expect
> > to result from this practice?
> >
> >
> > lili
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1029 From: "JOHN LADALSKI" <john_ladalski@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jun 12, 2005 0:35pm
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool john_ladalski
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Tablya Kriya corected spelling is
talabya kriya (the preparation exercises for kechari mudra)
I WAS TAuGHT THIS WAY IN KRIYA YOGA OF Yogi Lahiri Mahasaya
by Shibendu Lahiri yogi personally in 1994 i lear 6 different systems
of Kriya yoga, The oe of Shibendu was reveal in a Yoga book , by one
og Donald Walters students
it seem Donald water aslo reveal the Nabi Kriya too NAVEL KRYA
chanating OM
anyway talabya kriya is a tongue entending kriya that using the teeth
by mainly use the sucking up the tongue against the top roof of mouth
and stretch with the mounth opening 200 to 500 x daily
IT WILL TAKE 3 to 4 month at most to STRERCH THE TONGUE to 18 year
as it took SHIBENDU. it most take up to 3 to 3 year SHIBENDU says
he has stdents i seen him hold to di it
i i extending it by 2 cm buthaving done it regular
IF YOU CAN TOUCH TOR TONGUE ON THE TIP OF YOUR NOSE YOU CAN PROBABLY
DO THE FULL KHECARI MUDRA, when you can do KHECARI MUDRA ( ITS A
SWITCH THAT OPEN UP THE BASE CHAKRA AND GET FULL KUNDALINI RAISING)
and hold you breath 200 seconds with YON MUDRA you get ful kundalin
with a 100 SUN LIGHT IN YU THIRD EYE
I INTERVIEW TWO KRIYA YOGIS TEACHER INCCLUDING SHIBENDU THAT IS TRUE
AS THEY SEEN IT
with khecari i see the brightness of one Sun which is pretty bright
anyway
JOHN LADALSKI
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@y...> wrote:
> Kechari Mudra can be achieved without snipping or
> cutting the frenum. This is what we had just
> ascertained and had been sharing about Lili...Tablya
> Kriya can get you there...this practice would not be
> included in the Lineages of some of the greatest
> masters of our current era without it being of major
> benefit to the spiritual aspirant. It causes a release
> of certain chemicals in the brain that induce a VERY
> peaceful state.
>
> FYI
>
> Ashwin
>
>
>
>
>
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1030 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:22pm
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool obsidian9999
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Hello John,
thanks for your post. I am very interested in your description of
talabya kriya here, but I don't understand what you mean. Could you
explain it in more detail, perhaps in clear, individual steps.
In particular, I don't understand
(a) what the sucking action is for, since the tongue can be moved up
using its own musculature
(b) how the teeth are involved in this exercise
(c) what exactly 'stretch with the mouth opening' means
Do you have any clear instructions on this, your own, or do you know
how to direct me to where I will find them? Thanks,
-D
> anyway talabya kriya is a tongue entending kriya that using the
teeth
> by mainly use the sucking up the tongue against the top roof of
mouth
> and stretch with the mounth opening 200 to 500 x daily
> IT WILL TAKE 3 to 4 month at most to STRERCH THE TONGUE to 18 year
1053 From: Ramon Sender <rabar@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:20am
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool rabar94114
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obsidian9999 wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> thanks for your post. I am very interested in your description of
> talabya kriya here, but I don't understand what you mean. Could you
> explain it in more detail, perhaps in clear, individual steps.
>
> In particular, I don't understand
> (a) what the sucking action is for, since the tongue can be moved up
> using its own musculature
> (b) how the teeth are involved in this exercise
> (c) what exactly 'stretch with the mouth opening' means
I'm also interested in a clarification. Also, I would not mind knowing
what the book it is that you cite, John, regarding 'a student of
Walters' - by whom I assume you mean Swami Kriyananda.
I've been using my own home-grown 'on -the-way-to -Kechari'
exercise where I just basically suck my tongue down as far back into
my mouth as possible. Nice to hold it there with a smile, and/or
pulsate the suction in time with the heartbeat. I find I can
place as much suction as I am capable of on the tongue without
it becoming sore or uncomfortable. Instead, it seems to energize
my chest and solar plexus. Plus it wiggles my ears!
Easy to do when not talking to anyone. I can see where the
'amateur' Kechari could ultimately lead one to embrace long silences!
1064 From: "jcchaky" <jcchaky@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:37am
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool jcchaky
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I have been doing the same thing for the past month (could have sworn I
read it somewhere...but cannot find it again)... I suck my tongue as
far back as I can. Just one thing though... I cannot seem to get any
further than a soft spot on the roof of my mouth...It seems like the
rest of the mouth is closed due to the suction. I know I could extend
the tongue a little more(with suction only) but there is nowhere for my
tongue to go. How far can you go when you suck your tongue in? How do
you get past the soft spot?
> I've been using my own home-grown 'on -the-way-to -Kechari'
> exercise where I just basically suck my tongue down as far back into
> my mouth as possible. Nice to hold it there with a smile, and/or
> pulsate the suction in time with the heartbeat. I find I can
> place as much suction as I am capable of on the tongue without
> it becoming sore or uncomfortable. Instead, it seems to energize
> my chest and solar plexus. Plus it wiggles my ears!
>
> Easy to do when not talking to anyone. I can see where the
> 'amateur' Kechari could ultimately lead one to embrace long silences!
1065 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:10am
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool obsidian9999
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Hello,
the sucking action can be used to get the tongue up quite a bit onto
the soft palate, but then it won't work any more and you need to use
the tongue itself to push the tongue further up, onto the nasal
pharynx.
But more than likely you'll be stopped by the frenum itself well
before you reach the nasal pharynx. So at some point you'll probably
need to clip the frenum if you want to get into more advanced Kechari.
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jcchaky" <jcchaky@y...> wrote:
> I have been doing the same thing for the past month (could have
sworn I
> read it somewhere...but cannot find it again)... I suck my tongue
as
> far back as I can. Just one thing though... I cannot seem to get
any
> further than a soft spot on the roof of my mouth...It seems like
the
> rest of the mouth is closed due to the suction. I know I could
extend
> the tongue a little more(with suction only) but there is nowhere
for my
> tongue to go. How far can you go when you suck your tongue in? How
do
> you get past the soft spot?
>
>
> > I've been using my own home-grown 'on -the-way-to -Kechari'
> > exercise where I just basically suck my tongue down as far back
into
> > my mouth as possible. Nice to hold it there with a smile, and/or
> > pulsate the suction in time with the heartbeat. I find I can
> > place as much suction as I am capable of on the tongue without
> > it becoming sore or uncomfortable. Instead, it seems to energize
> > my chest and solar plexus. Plus it wiggles my ears!
> >
> > Easy to do when not talking to anyone. I can see where the
> > 'amateur' Kechari could ultimately lead one to embrace long
silences!
1066 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:08pm
Subject: Kechari as a tool -- sucking action obsidian9999
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Just to clarify that a bit further: you can use the sucking action,
if you want, to to get the tongue up as far as somewhere on the soft
palate, but you don't need to since the muscles of your tongue can
be used just as well for the purpose.
The sucking has a limit as to how far it will bring the tongue. At
that point, the sucking no longer works to bring the tongue further
and you need to use the muscles of the tongue itself. When you
bring the tongue further, you *CAN'T* continue the suction. When
you don't have suction, it doesn't matter any more if the mouth is
fully closed or not.
But you will be limited by the frenum either before or after the
sucking-limit. When you say 'the tongue has nowhere to go', you
have reached one of these limits. I don't know which, but you can
easily find it out by using the tongue itself and seeing if you can
push further. You'll be able to push to the limit the frenum
allows. You can examine your frenum then with your finger or by
looking in a mirror and you will find it taut.
You'll then need clipping or some other form of stretching to get it
further if you want to.
The sucking action does produce some pleasant effects in itself, as
mentioned below. It is a kind of consolation that would have to be
abandoned for more advanced Kechari, but more advanced Kechari more
than makes up for this loss of sucking action.
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> the sucking action can be used to get the tongue up quite a bit
onto
> the soft palate, but then it won't work any more and you need to
use
> the tongue itself to push the tongue further up, onto the nasal
> pharynx.
>
> But more than likely you'll be stopped by the frenum itself well
> before you reach the nasal pharynx. So at some point you'll
probably
> need to clip the frenum if you want to get into more advanced
Kechari.
>
> -David
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jcchaky" <jcchaky@y...> wrote:
> > I have been doing the same thing for the past month (could have
> sworn I
> > read it somewhere...but cannot find it again)... I suck my tongue
> as
> > far back as I can. Just one thing though... I cannot seem to get
> any
> > further than a soft spot on the roof of my mouth...It seems like
> the
> > rest of the mouth is closed due to the suction. I know I could
> extend
> > the tongue a little more(with suction only) but there is nowhere
> for my
> > tongue to go. How far can you go when you suck your tongue in?
How
> do
> > you get past the soft spot?
> >
> >
> > > I've been using my own home-grown 'on -the-way-to -Kechari'
> > > exercise where I just basically suck my tongue down as far back
> into
> > > my mouth as possible. Nice to hold it there with a smile, and/or
> > > pulsate the suction in time with the heartbeat. I find I can
> > > place as much suction as I am capable of on the tongue without
> > > it becoming sore or uncomfortable. Instead, it seems to energize
> > > my chest and solar plexus. Plus it wiggles my ears!
> > >
> > > Easy to do when not talking to anyone. I can see where the
> > > 'amateur' Kechari could ultimately lead one to embrace long
> silences!
1067 From: "quickstudy05" <quickstudy05@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:50pm
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool -- sucking action quickstudy05
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Hi:
Don't forget finger help and angle of entry (left or right side).
This, the relation to sucking method, and going to stage 2 kechari
are covered in lessons 192 and 108:
http://www.aypsite.org/192.html
http://www.aypsite.org/108.html
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
>
>
> Just to clarify that a bit further: you can use the sucking
action,
> if you want, to to get the tongue up as far as somewhere on the
soft
> palate, but you don't need to since the muscles of your tongue can
> be used just as well for the purpose.
>
> The sucking has a limit as to how far it will bring the tongue. At
> that point, the sucking no longer works to bring the tongue
further
> and you need to use the muscles of the tongue itself. When you
> bring the tongue further, you *CAN'T* continue the suction. When
> you don't have suction, it doesn't matter any more if the mouth is
> fully closed or not.
>
> But you will be limited by the frenum either before or after the
> sucking-limit. When you say 'the tongue has nowhere to go', you
> have reached one of these limits. I don't know which, but you can
> easily find it out by using the tongue itself and seeing if you can
> push further. You'll be able to push to the limit the frenum
> allows. You can examine your frenum then with your finger or by
> looking in a mirror and you will find it taut.
>
> You'll then need clipping or some other form of stretching to get
it
> further if you want to.
>
> The sucking action does produce some pleasant effects in itself,
as
> mentioned below. It is a kind of consolation that would have to be
> abandoned for more advanced Kechari, but more advanced Kechari
more
> than makes up for this loss of sucking action.
>
>
> -David
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > the sucking action can be used to get the tongue up quite a bit
> onto
> > the soft palate, but then it won't work any more and you need to
> use
> > the tongue itself to push the tongue further up, onto the nasal
> > pharynx.
> >
> > But more than likely you'll be stopped by the frenum itself well
> > before you reach the nasal pharynx. So at some point you'll
> probably
> > need to clip the frenum if you want to get into more advanced
> Kechari.
> >
> > -David
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jcchaky" <jcchaky@y...> wrote:
> > > I have been doing the same thing for the past month (could have
> > sworn I
> > > read it somewhere...but cannot find it again)... I suck my
tongue
> > as
> > > far back as I can. Just one thing though... I cannot seem to
get
> > any
> > > further than a soft spot on the roof of my mouth...It seems
like
> > the
> > > rest of the mouth is closed due to the suction. I know I could
> > extend
> > > the tongue a little more(with suction only) but there is
nowhere
> > for my
> > > tongue to go. How far can you go when you suck your tongue in?
> How
> > do
> > > you get past the soft spot?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I've been using my own home-grown 'on -the-way-to -Kechari'
> > > > exercise where I just basically suck my tongue down as far
back
> > into
> > > > my mouth as possible. Nice to hold it there with a smile,
and/or
> > > > pulsate the suction in time with the heartbeat. I find I can
> > > > place as much suction as I am capable of on the tongue without
> > > > it becoming sore or uncomfortable. Instead, it seems to
energize
> > > > my chest and solar plexus. Plus it wiggles my ears!
> > > >
> > > > Easy to do when not talking to anyone. I can see where the
> > > > 'amateur' Kechari could ultimately lead one to embrace long
> > silences!
1068 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:43pm
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool -- sucking action obsidian9999
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Thanks again double - o 5!
You should *all* listen to this man. I tell you he's *quite* the Rishi!
;)
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "quickstudy05" <quickstudy05@y...>
wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Don't forget finger help and angle of entry (left or right side).
> This, the relation to sucking method, and going to stage 2 kechari
> are covered in lessons 192 and 108:
>
> http://www.aypsite.org/192.html
> http://www.aypsite.org/108.html
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just to clarify that a bit further: you can use the sucking
> action,
> > if you want, to to get the tongue up as far as somewhere on the
> soft
> > palate, but you don't need to since the muscles of your tongue
can
> > be used just as well for the purpose.
> >
> > The sucking has a limit as to how far it will bring the tongue.
At
> > that point, the sucking no longer works to bring the tongue
> further
> > and you need to use the muscles of the tongue itself. When you
> > bring the tongue further, you *CAN'T* continue the suction.
When
> > you don't have suction, it doesn't matter any more if the mouth
is
> > fully closed or not.
> >
> > But you will be limited by the frenum either before or after the
> > sucking-limit. When you say 'the tongue has nowhere to go', you
> > have reached one of these limits. I don't know which, but you
can
> > easily find it out by using the tongue itself and seeing if you
can
> > push further. You'll be able to push to the limit the frenum
> > allows. You can examine your frenum then with your finger or by
> > looking in a mirror and you will find it taut.
> >
> > You'll then need clipping or some other form of stretching to get
> it
> > further if you want to.
> >
> > The sucking action does produce some pleasant effects in itself,
> as
> > mentioned below. It is a kind of consolation that would have to
be
> > abandoned for more advanced Kechari, but more advanced Kechari
> more
> > than makes up for this loss of sucking action.
> >
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999"
<obsidian9999@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > the sucking action can be used to get the tongue up quite a bit
> > onto
> > > the soft palate, but then it won't work any more and you need
to
> > use
> > > the tongue itself to push the tongue further up, onto the
nasal
> > > pharynx.
> > >
> > > But more than likely you'll be stopped by the frenum itself
well
> > > before you reach the nasal pharynx. So at some point you'll
> > probably
> > > need to clip the frenum if you want to get into more advanced
> > Kechari.
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jcchaky" <jcchaky@y...> wrote:
> > > > I have been doing the same thing for the past month (could
have
> > > sworn I
> > > > read it somewhere...but cannot find it again)... I suck my
> tongue
> > > as
> > > > far back as I can. Just one thing though... I cannot seem to
> get
> > > any
> > > > further than a soft spot on the roof of my mouth...It seems
> like
> > > the
> > > > rest of the mouth is closed due to the suction. I know I
could
> > > extend
> > > > the tongue a little more(with suction only) but there is
> nowhere
> > > for my
> > > > tongue to go. How far can you go when you suck your tongue
in?
> > How
> > > do
> > > > you get past the soft spot?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I've been using my own home-grown 'on -the-way-to -Kechari'
> > > > > exercise where I just basically suck my tongue down as far
> back
> > > into
> > > > > my mouth as possible. Nice to hold it there with a smile,
> and/or
> > > > > pulsate the suction in time with the heartbeat. I find I can
> > > > > place as much suction as I am capable of on the tongue
without
> > > > > it becoming sore or uncomfortable. Instead, it seems to
> energize
> > > > > my chest and solar plexus. Plus it wiggles my ears!
> > > > >
> > > > > Easy to do when not talking to anyone. I can see where the
> > > > > 'amateur' Kechari could ultimately lead one to embrace long
> > > silences!
1069 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:57pm
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool -- sucking action obsidian9999
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By the way Double-O Five (lol), I never really understood what the
finger helped people with.
Perhaps it's something about my own particular anatomy or something,
but my tongue was always able to go as far as the frenum allowed it,
using its own musculature.
My finger could never get it my tongue any further because of the
frenum limit. And so I reached the nasal pharynx without any finger
help. What gives? What is the difference with people who can make
use of the finger? Are their tongue muscles not as strong or
something?
Thanks a lot,
-D
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "quickstudy05" <quickstudy05@y...>
wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Don't forget finger help and angle of entry (left or right side).
> This, the relation to sucking method, and going to stage 2 kechari
> are covered in lessons 192 and 108:
>
> http://www.aypsite.org/192.html
> http://www.aypsite.org/108.html
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just to clarify that a bit further: you can use the sucking
> action,
> > if you want, to to get the tongue up as far as somewhere on the
> soft
> > palate, but you don't need to since the muscles of your tongue
can
> > be used just as well for the purpose.
> >
> > The sucking has a limit as to how far it will bring the tongue.
At
> > that point, the sucking no longer works to bring the tongue
> further
> > and you need to use the muscles of the tongue itself. When you
> > bring the tongue further, you *CAN'T* continue the suction.
When
> > you don't have suction, it doesn't matter any more if the mouth
is
> > fully closed or not.
> >
> > But you will be limited by the frenum either before or after the
> > sucking-limit. When you say 'the tongue has nowhere to go', you
> > have reached one of these limits. I don't know which, but you
can
> > easily find it out by using the tongue itself and seeing if you
can
> > push further. You'll be able to push to the limit the frenum
> > allows. You can examine your frenum then with your finger or by
> > looking in a mirror and you will find it taut.
> >
> > You'll then need clipping or some other form of stretching to get
> it
> > further if you want to.
> >
> > The sucking action does produce some pleasant effects in itself,
> as
> > mentioned below. It is a kind of consolation that would have to
be
> > abandoned for more advanced Kechari, but more advanced Kechari
> more
> > than makes up for this loss of sucking action.
> >
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999"
<obsidian9999@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > the sucking action can be used to get the tongue up quite a bit
> > onto
> > > the soft palate, but then it won't work any more and you need
to
> > use
> > > the tongue itself to push the tongue further up, onto the
nasal
> > > pharynx.
> > >
> > > But more than likely you'll be stopped by the frenum itself
well
> > > before you reach the nasal pharynx. So at some point you'll
> > probably
> > > need to clip the frenum if you want to get into more advanced
> > Kechari.
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jcchaky" <jcchaky@y...> wrote:
> > > > I have been doing the same thing for the past month (could
have
> > > sworn I
> > > > read it somewhere...but cannot find it again)... I suck my
> tongue
> > > as
> > > > far back as I can. Just one thing though... I cannot seem to
> get
> > > any
> > > > further than a soft spot on the roof of my mouth...It seems
> like
> > > the
> > > > rest of the mouth is closed due to the suction. I know I
could
> > > extend
> > > > the tongue a little more(with suction only) but there is
> nowhere
> > > for my
> > > > tongue to go. How far can you go when you suck your tongue
in?
> > How
> > > do
> > > > you get past the soft spot?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I've been using my own home-grown 'on -the-way-to -Kechari'
> > > > > exercise where I just basically suck my tongue down as far
> back
> > > into
> > > > > my mouth as possible. Nice to hold it there with a smile,
> and/or
> > > > > pulsate the suction in time with the heartbeat. I find I can
> > > > > place as much suction as I am capable of on the tongue
without
> > > > > it becoming sore or uncomfortable. Instead, it seems to
> energize
> > > > > my chest and solar plexus. Plus it wiggles my ears!
> > > > >
> > > > > Easy to do when not talking to anyone. I can see where the
> > > > > 'amateur' Kechari could ultimately lead one to embrace long
> > > silences!
1071 From: "Paula Youmans" <paula@webboise.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:25pm
Subject: RE: Re: Kechari as a tool -- sucking action paula_youmans
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Hi obsidian.
It was kind of funny to read this. I haven't gotten into Kechari
at all, but I try getting my tongue back there as I read people talking
about it. When I was little I got that frenum thing stuck between my bottom
teeth. I'm not sure why I did it.I mean I was probably 5 or 6 but I remember
it being a bloody mess and my mom asking me what the hell I was doing LOL.
Anyway, at this point I won't be clipping LOL.
I have to use my finger though to push the tongue down when it
goes back though.or else it is too up in my nose and makes me feel like I
inhaled water.kind of a "sinus infection" feeling. That pressure.so I
sometimes shove my finger in there to push it down, not back.
It will be interesting when I get to the Kechari ..I really want
to know what everyone is talking about LOL. I need to wait though for the
obvious reasons ;)
~Paula
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By the way Double-O Five (lol), I never really understood what the
finger helped people with.
Perhaps it's something about my own particular anatomy or something,
but my tongue was always able to go as far as the frenum allowed it,
using its own musculature.
My finger could never get it my tongue any further because of the
frenum limit. And so I reached the nasal pharynx without any finger
help. What gives? What is the difference with people who can make
use of the finger? Are their tongue muscles not as strong or
something?
Thanks a lot,
-D
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1073 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:12pm
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool -- sucking action obsidian9999
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> teeth. I'm not sure why I did it.I mean I was probably 5 or 6 but
I remember
> it being a bloody mess and my mom asking me what the hell I was
doing LOL.
> Anyway, at this point I won't be clipping LOL.
Hi Paula,
sounds like you were a little young to be trying Talabya Kriya
without guidance! LOL.
>
> I have to use my finger though to push the tongue down
when it
> goes back though.or else it is too up in my nose and makes me feel
like I
> inhaled water.kind of a "sinus infection" feeling. That
pressure.so I
> sometimes shove my finger in there to push it down, not back.
Hi Paula, I don't understand that... from my understanding of the
geometry of it, you could just let the tongue come down a little
further, or not push it so far up... ??
> It will be interesting when I get to the Kechari ..I
really want
> to know what everyone is talking about LOL. I need to wait though
for the
> obvious reasons ;)
Kechari really does work. You are definitely right though to wait
until you feel ready.
Blessings,
-David
1074 From: "Paula Youmans" <paula@webboise.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:40pm
Subject: RE: Re: Kechari as a tool -- sucking action paula_youmans
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Hi Paula,
sounds like you were a little young to be trying Talabya Kriya
without guidance! LOL.
Hi David
If only I had such intent. It was really a "hey this thing fits between my
teeth" moment which quickly turned into an "ouch, I'm freakin stuck" moment
LOL.
It probably wouldn't have worked if I was much older, as my teeth moved
closer together as I grew.
As far as the tongue being up.I'm not sure how to answer that or give an
explanation. My guess is that because I hold most of my tension in my mouth,
my tongue is most likely not as pliable as it should be. It just goes back
there hard as a rock and jets up my nose. The idea of pushing it down with
my finger came to me because you guys mentioned the uvula and I wanted to
feel it with my tongue.
It wasn't pleasant at all, but like I said, I wasn't really doing anything
but shoving my tongue back there.
It will be interesting to try it when I get there. For now I'm happy
listening to the grown ups talk about it while I dip my toes in the water
LOL.
Not quite ready to jump in all the way yet.
Kindest regards,
Paula
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1117 From: "david_obsidian1" <david_obsidian1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:16pm
Subject: Finger help --- works by keeping tongue straighter david_obsidian1
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Just in case anyone was wondering about the answer to that
question, I think I have figured it out myself. I think
the 'finger help' gets the tongue a few millimeters further, not
because it pushes the tongue further along per se, but because it
keeps the tongue straighter --- you see a curve develops in the
tongue as you push it far up and to the side and if you use the
finger to push against this curve, it keeps the tongue straighter
and therefore lets it go further because the shortest distance
between two points is a straight line.
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
>
> By the way Double-O Five (lol), I never really understood what
the
> finger helped people with.
>
> Perhaps it's something about my own particular anatomy or
something,
> but my tongue was always able to go as far as the frenum allowed
it,
> using its own musculature.
>
> My finger could never get it my tongue any further because of the
> frenum limit. And so I reached the nasal pharynx without any
finger
> help. What gives? What is the difference with people who can
make
> use of the finger? Are their tongue muscles not as strong or
> something?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> -D
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "quickstudy05"
<quickstudy05@y...>
> wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > Don't forget finger help and angle of entry (left or right
side).
> > This, the relation to sucking method, and going to stage 2
kechari
> > are covered in lessons 192 and 108:
> >
> > http://www.aypsite.org/192.html
> > http://www.aypsite.org/108.html
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999"
<obsidian9999@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Just to clarify that a bit further: you can use the sucking
> > action,
> > > if you want, to to get the tongue up as far as somewhere on
the
> > soft
> > > palate, but you don't need to since the muscles of your
tongue
> can
> > > be used just as well for the purpose.
> > >
> > > The sucking has a limit as to how far it will bring the
tongue.
> At
> > > that point, the sucking no longer works to bring the tongue
> > further
> > > and you need to use the muscles of the tongue itself. When
you
> > > bring the tongue further, you *CAN'T* continue the suction.
> When
> > > you don't have suction, it doesn't matter any more if the
mouth
> is
> > > fully closed or not.
> > >
> > > But you will be limited by the frenum either before or after
the
> > > sucking-limit. When you say 'the tongue has nowhere to go',
you
> > > have reached one of these limits. I don't know which, but
you
> can
> > > easily find it out by using the tongue itself and seeing if
you
> can
> > > push further. You'll be able to push to the limit the frenum
> > > allows. You can examine your frenum then with your finger or
by
> > > looking in a mirror and you will find it taut.
> > >
> > > You'll then need clipping or some other form of stretching to
get
> > it
> > > further if you want to.
> > >
> > > The sucking action does produce some pleasant effects in
itself,
> > as
> > > mentioned below. It is a kind of consolation that would have
to
> be
> > > abandoned for more advanced Kechari, but more advanced
Kechari
> > more
> > > than makes up for this loss of sucking action.
> > >
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999"
> <obsidian9999@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > the sucking action can be used to get the tongue up quite a
bit
> > > onto
> > > > the soft palate, but then it won't work any more and you
need
> to
> > > use
> > > > the tongue itself to push the tongue further up, onto the
> nasal
> > > > pharynx.
> > > >
> > > > But more than likely you'll be stopped by the frenum itself
> well
> > > > before you reach the nasal pharynx. So at some point you'll
> > > probably
> > > > need to clip the frenum if you want to get into more
advanced
> > > Kechari.
> > > >
> > > > -David
> > > >
> > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jcchaky" <jcchaky@y...>
wrote:
> > > > > I have been doing the same thing for the past month (could
> have
> > > > sworn I
> > > > > read it somewhere...but cannot find it again)... I suck my
> > tongue
> > > > as
> > > > > far back as I can. Just one thing though... I cannot seem
to
> > get
> > > > any
> > > > > further than a soft spot on the roof of my mouth...It
seems
> > like
> > > > the
> > > > > rest of the mouth is closed due to the suction. I know I
> could
> > > > extend
> > > > > the tongue a little more(with suction only) but there is
> > nowhere
> > > > for my
> > > > > tongue to go. How far can you go when you suck your tongue
> in?
> > > How
> > > > do
> > > > > you get past the soft spot?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've been using my own home-grown 'on -the-way-to -
Kechari'
> > > > > > exercise where I just basically suck my tongue down as
far
> > back
> > > > into
> > > > > > my mouth as possible. Nice to hold it there with a
smile,
> > and/or
> > > > > > pulsate the suction in time with the heartbeat. I find I
can
> > > > > > place as much suction as I am capable of on the tongue
> without
> > > > > > it becoming sore or uncomfortable. Instead, it seems to
> > energize
> > > > > > my chest and solar plexus. Plus it wiggles my ears!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Easy to do when not talking to anyone. I can see where
the
> > > > > > 'amateur' Kechari could ultimately lead one to embrace
long
> > > > silences!
1072 From: "Richard" <richardchamberlin14@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool -- sucking action azaz932001
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> Hi:
>
> Don't forget finger help and angle of entry (left or right side).
> This, the relation to sucking method, and going to stage 2 kechari
> are covered in lessons 192 and 108:
>
Hello there I've just started trying to help my tongue with my finger
but I cant get past the gaging reflex any ideas.
R.C.
1086 From: Ramon Sender <rabar@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:27pm
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jjchaky wrote:
> . How far can you go when you suck your tongue in? How do
> you get past the soft spot?
I apply the suction mostly towards the front of the mouth.
How far back? Hard to estimate.
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Hi David and others,
I'll try to clarify talabya kriya if you are still interested.
What you do is stick the top of your tongue (where the taste buds are) to the top of your mouth. Then applying suction so the 2 will stay together (tongue and top of mouth) you open your mouth, when the suction brakes (from opening your mouth wide) immediately stick your tongue out as far as it goes. [note: Some people stick the underside of their tongue to the top of their mouth, however it doesn't seem as effective to me, you can decide for yourself.]
quote:
(a) what the sucking action is for, since the tongue can be moved up using its own musculature
I think its for an extra stretch to the tongue (especially the back portion) at least that is what I feel is happening.
quote:
(b) how the teeth are involved in this exercise
When the suction brakes and you thrust your tongue out, it will rub against your lower teeth. When I was doing talabya kriya often, my frenum even got a little "torn" from the practice.
quote:
(c) what exactly 'stretch with the mouth opening' means
As mentioned in the answer to the first question, when your tongue is stuck to the top of your mouth through suctioning; as you open your mouth wide, you should feel a stretch.
I have been doing talabya kriya and milking for a while with very little progress. I have started snipping a little over a week ago (2 snipping sessions so far) and the results have been dramatic. If you can get over nipping your frenum it is, from my experience, the quickest way to get into kechari. I'm not there yet but its getting really close! 
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amarjit
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Baba says why does Mankind keep running around looking for outside HIGH'S
When within the human Body God has bestowed on us Divine Mansions
(Jesus said "In my Father's House there are many mansions"
our body is our Fathers mansion.
The greatest ecstasy comes from chanting the Name of God with the tonque rolled up or service to mankind, . Mother Teresa did not need drugs etc she was on constant high serving and chanting the name of Godsee why :
What is kechari mudra? Let's put it in terms that we can easily
relate to. A centimeter or two above the roof of our mouth is located
one of the most ecstatically sensitive organs in our whole body. It
can be reached relatively easily with our tongue. It is located on
the back edge of our nasal septum, and when the nervous system is
purified enough through advanced yoga practices, our tongue will roll
back and go up into the cavity of our nasal pharynx to find the
sensitive edge of our septum. When this happens, it is like a master
switch is closed in our nervous system, and all of our advanced yoga
practices and experiences begin to function on a much higher level.
When kechari is entered naturally, we come on to the fast track of
yoga. It is the major league of yoga, if you will.
Kunadlini Mantra 3 : KECHARI SOMA MANTRA
To activate this Soma Chakra into a great force the Kechari Mantra is chanted while rolling the tongue upwards and backwards.. This achieves Immortality of the Ego Mind Personality.
"HRIM BHAM SAM PAM PHAM SAM KSHAM"
Swami Sivananda says 500,000 repetitions of this great mantra banishes wrinkles and grey hair. Why roll the tongue at all.
I remember being taught to roll the tongue in our Kriya Initiation and Qigong Roll it Always said our master.
When you do this the Great wine of the Yogis the Nectar of immortality starts flowing. You will notice your saliva flow will change and the Healing mechanism of the Body/temple becomes activated
I had meticulously rolled my tongue for approx 6 months, when one day I became fed up.
I went to the mirror and looked at myself and said Babaji I am Fed up no more rolling my Tongue I look stupid, I feel stupid No More.
I stopped rolling my tongue.
Couple of hours later I was praying in my car when suddenly Babaji stod in front of me and said Amarjit follow me. Babaji then took me above my motionless body we were hovering over my body :
He showed me this incredible Drama;
I was sitting praying with my tongue rolled back, .
Babaji said '' Look what is happening to you, the direct and indirect affect of rolling your tongue'':''.
I was given X-ray eyes and allowed to see the very framework of my body.
This huge Divine Chakra opening in my forehead. I saw this Soma Nectar of life being formed and secreted flowing down thru my brain rolling down my throat into my spine and flowing into where it was Karmically needed.
The Taste was Unlike none other. It was the Holy nectar of the Gods. I cherish that Moment when God when showed me.
Then Baba said
"Why does mankind seek the HOLY GRAIL here and there.
The Holy Grail lies within your Temple, your body. The Soma/Nectar/Ambrosia can be activated by rolling your tongue Amarjit In your body is contained all the universes of creation. Cherish this Roll your tongue as much as you can, so long as you roll this the Soma nectar will be activated ".
This Soma Nectar/Amrita is released down our spine into our 72,000 Nadi system. Wherever the Soma Nectar drips there we will never accumulate Karma. Its like a Cosmic Teflon, where Karma cannot accumulate.
Imagine a force which enters your life and says from now on in this particular circumstance you will not accumulate any Karma here. this is the force of the Soma Nectar. Pictures of Shiva shown with the Crescent moon on his forehead The moon is the Soma Chakra. Because this Nectar is Akin a Nuclear explosion only a small amount is released at any one time. It can only be activated Thru Gods Grace or initiation in a dream or by the grace of a True Sadguru in flesh.
This Mantra will greatly stimulate the flow of this Divine Nectar.
"HRIM BHAM SAM PAM PHSM SAM KSHAM"
All our blessings Amarjit
This sounds poetic and dramatic. Yet, kechari is much more that that.
It is much more personal than that. Regular practice of kechari takes
us into a permanent lovemaking of polarities within us. The effects
of kechari exceed those of tantric sexual relations as discussed in
the tantra group. This is amazing because kechari involves no
external sexual activity at all. Kechari is one of the great secrets
of enlightened celibates. Not that celibacy and kechari have to go
together. Anyone can do kechari and continue in normal sexual
relations. But if one chooses a path of celibacy, then kechari, along
with other advanced yoga practices, will provide more than enough
cultivation of sexual energy upward in the nervous system. It is a
natural internal process that comes up in us.
With kechari do we "fly though inner space?" The greatest part of the
kechari experience is the rise of ecstatic bliss. The senses are
naturally drawn in and it is like we are flying inside. Our inner
dimensions are vast, and we soar through them in a constant reverie.
The connection we make near the top of the sushumna, ida, and pingala
in kechari is an ecstatic one that brings ecstatic conductivity up in
the nervous system more than any other practice. Every other advanced
yoga practice then becomes increasingly effective at doing the same
thing – raising ecstatic conductivity. So kechari is an ecstatic
connection that illuminates our entire nervous system. The sensitive
edge of the nasal septum is an altar of bliss. The more time we spend
there, the more bliss we experience. Kechari is the perfect companion
for sambhavi. The two practices complement each other. Together,
sambhavi and kechari draw divine ecstasy up, filling us with divine
light.
Advanced yogis and yoginis use kechari continuously throughout their
sitting practices, and often during the day when not engaged in
conversation. In other words, kechari is home for the advanced yogi
and yogini. We do not even know that they are in kechari. Only the
subtle glow of divine light gives them away. Inside, they are in the
constant play of divine lovemaking.
We will cover four stages of kechari here (see Image for sketches), all pertaining to the location of the tip of the tongue:
Stage 1 – To the point on the roof of the mouth where the hard and
soft palates meet. This is the line of demarcation that must be
crossed before stage 2 can be entertained.
Stage 2 – Behind the soft palate and up to the nasal septum. It is a
short trip, but a momentous one. Initially this is done with help
from a finger pushing back under the tongue, going to the left or
right side of the soft palate where entry is easiest. This may
require "breaking the hymen" of the membrane under the tongue. See
below for more on this.
Stage 3 – Gradually working to the top of the nasal pharynx and
septum. This takes us to the bony structure containing the pituitary
gland.
Stage 4 – Entering the nasal passages from inside and moving upward
beyond the top of the pharynx toward the point between the eyebrows.
It is not as far for the tongue to go as it seems. Put you thumb on
the hinge of your jaw and put your index finger at the tip of your
tongue extended straight out. Then pivot the fixed length to your
index finger up on your thumb to the point between your eyebrows.
See? It is not so far for the tongue to go straight up from its root.
Many years may pass between stage 1 and stage 4. Kechari is a long-
term evolution, not an overnight event, though it certainly has its
dramatic moments of transition, especially between stages 1&2 and
stages 3&4. Now let's look at the four stages in more detail.
Stage 1 puts us in contact with the bottom of the septum through the
roof of our mouth. This has already been suggested as a goal to work
toward in the lesson on yoni mudra kumbhaka. Some ecstatic response
can be felt at the point where the hard and soft palates meet if the
nervous system is rising in purity. Stage one is not easy, as it
takes some effort for most people to keep the tongue on the roof of
the mouth and work it gradually back over time. A habit gradually
develops. Once the tip of the tongue passes the point where the hard
and soft palates meet, and the soft palate can be pushed up with the
tongue, then stage 2 is close at hand.
Stage 2 is very dramatic. The tongue is pushed back with a finger to
the left or right side of the soft palate. These are the shortest
pathways leading behind the soft palate. One of these will be shorter
than the other. At some point you will experiment and see for
yourself. The long way in is up the middle. The soft palate has an
elastic tendon running across the back edge. When the tip of the
tongue gets behind it for the first time, the elastic tendon can slip
quickly around the bottom of the tongue as though grabbing it. Then
the tongue is suddenly in the nasal pharynx and touching the edge of
the nasal septum for the first time.
The first reaction is surprise, and the tongue will probably come out
quickly. It is easy to pull out. No finger help is needed. It is also
easy to breathe through the nose with the tongue in the nasal
pharynx. On the first entry, the eyes and nose may water, there could
be sneezing, there could be sexual arousal, and strong emotions. All
of these things are temporary reactions to the event of entering
stage 2 kechari for the first time. Upon repeated entries, things
settle down. In time, the finger will no longer be needed to get
behind the soft palate. The elastic tendon across the edge of the
soft palate stretches out and stage 2 kechari becomes quite
comfortable. In fact, it is easier to stay in stage 2 kechari than to
stay in stage 1 kechari. The tongue rests very easily in the nasal
pharynx with no effort at all, making it simple to use during
pranayama and meditation. The tongue is obviously designed to rest
blissfully in the nasal pharynx.
There are two practical matters to consider once in stage 2 kechari.
First is lubrication in the pharynx. Second is the accumulation of
saliva in the mouth.
The pharynx can be a little fickle. Usually, it is naturally moist
and well lubricated for the tongue. Occasionally it is dry and not so
well lubricated. In the former situation, kechari can be practiced
practically indefinitely. In the latter situation, only sparingly.
When the pharynx is dry there can be a stinging sensation when the
tongue is in there. So, this is not the time to do kechari. We just
go to stage 1 when that happens. Interestingly, the pharynx will
almost always be moist during practices. But there is no telling for
sure. We just go in when we are welcome, which is most of the time.
And when we are not welcome, we honor the situation and refrain. Like
that.
When we are up in stage 2 kechari, saliva will accumulate in the
mouth down below. Since we can't swallow what is in our mouth with
our tongue going up into the nasal pharynx, and we don't want to
drool, then we come out of kechari as necessary to swallow the saliva
in our mouth. In the early adjustment period to stage 2 kechari there
can be a lot of saliva, so we will have to swallow more often. In
time, the saliva goes back to normal levels, and coming out of
kechari to swallow will become infrequent.
So, in stage 2 kechari, we are just letting our tongue rest easily on
the edge of the nasal pharynx, and that sets spiritual processes in
motion everywhere in our body.
In the beginning of stage 2 kechari we will be curious. We are in a
new place and want to find out what is in the pharynx. There is the
sensitive septum, the "altar of bliss." We have no problem finding
that, and realizing that the best way to do pranayama and meditation
is with our tongue resting on the septum. It is like having a
powerful siddhasana working simultaneously on the other end of the
spinal nerve, awakening our entire nervous system from the top end.
When we are not enjoying bliss at the septum, we will no doubt
explore, finding the prominent "trumpets" of the eustachian tubes on
either side of the nasal passages. We also can't miss the entrances
to the nasal passages on either side of the septum, and quickly find
the extremely sensitive erectile tissues inside them. Too much.
Better stay away from those for a while. So, we go up the septum on
our journey to the top of the pharynx, to stage 3. For some this is a
short journey. For others, it can take a long time. In going there we
expose the full length of the edge of the septum to our tongue, and
prepare ourselves to eventually enter the nasal passages and go
higher.
A practice that can help as we go beyond stage 2 kechari is the so-
called "milking of the tongue." It consists of gently pulling on the
tongue with the fingers of both hands, alternating hands, as though
milking a cow. A good time to do this is for a few minutes while
standing in the shower each day. That way you can get the benefit of
it without slobbering all over your clothes. Over time, the tongue
can be lengthened by this method. This is not a very useful practice
for getting into stage 2. Dealing with the frenum is most important
for that, as discussed below. Milking the tongue is helpful for going
beyond stage 2 kechari, especially in stage 4.
Stage 4 is another dramatic step. It could be years away from stage
2&3. Everyone will be different in approaching it. There is a trick
to it. The nasal passages are tall and narrow and the tongue is
narrow and wide, so the tongue can only go into the nasal passages by
turning on its side. But which side? One way works better than the
other. The tongue can naturally be turned with the top to the center
by following the channel on top of the trumpet of each eustachian
tube into its adjacent nasal passage. This naturally turns the top of
the tongue to the center and allows it to slide up the side of the
septum into the nasal passage. Turning the tongue inward to the
center is the way up into the passages. Entering stage 4 is as
dramatic as entering stage 2, because the tissues in the nasal
passages are extremely sensitive, and connecting with them in the way
described takes the nervous system to yet a higher level. Stage 4
provides extensive stimulation of the upper ends of the sushumna,
ida, and pingala, and this has huge effects throughout the nervous
system, especially when combined with our pranayama and its
associated bandhas and mudras.
Going to stage 4 is natural once stages 2&3 have been mastered and
become second nature. Before then we are not much attracted due to
the sensitivity in the nasal passages. Our opening nervous system and
rising bhakti take us to stage 4 when we are ready.
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Victor
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Posted - Jul 30 2009 : 4:29:14 PM
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| has anybody here experimented with this kechari mantra? ("HRIM BHAM SAM PAM PHAM SAM KSHAM") it does seem to move energy in the shushumna in a similar way to the mantras that Yogani teaches. |
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Chandan
Canada
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Posted - Jul 29 2012 : 5:42:03 PM
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English has limited words, and further my knowledge of language is poor. hence i will try to be as descriptive and exact as possible, hoping to give precise and clear information to my fellow seeking individuals.
>> Talabya is the best method of achieving kechari in my experience and learning.
>> It is surely not simply "hitting the tongue to the block" , and it should be done in sandhya or in between or post of the initial kriya set. when done in this auspicious moments, it surely increases the dormant "magnetism" between the alternative route of soma , which is of rejuvenating in nature !
>> When talabya increases magnetism, the tongue slowly slowly starts to rest in the states of talabya positions naturally. one will wake up in morning and find there tongue beautifully twisted and sleeping in the upper cavity so peacefully without vibration. that's just one example, like this tongue achieves natural succession.
>> in talabya, the attraction between the point of bindu, where soma flows, and the sacred point in the tongue, which performs the higher function of the tongue as gnanendriya ( organ of knowledge ) is invoked.
Note : Hence one is said to be eligible to do talabya only he is able to establish himself in kutasta for at the least two mahurtas during sandhyas( twilights ) or his regular intervals of kriya practice.
this is because when tongue vibration reduces and magnetism between the point of soma and tongue increases, the scared sky "kechari = movement space/sky" starts to be accessible even before one can enter the cavity. and this sky is one is not able to absorb these variations by situation in the kutasta, one will end up being unstable, being overly aggressive, short tempered and in these ways hurts themselves ...
and as final thought to share out of love, please know that the best way to learn anything in these great ways, is to with total surrendered ego, like a little humble student, try and apply ones will in practice. and keenly observe the subtle changes that arise.
asking questions and indulging in discussion that require to understand through instruments of chitta, rarely bear great fruits.
nevertheless, i feel discussing or asking questions and indulging in discussions only as and when required, is of no harm.
I wish the light of the self for all, may all be auspicious in the supreme witness.
-- Om |
Edited by - Chandan on Jul 29 2012 5:56:13 PM |
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