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Panthau
Austria
149 Posts |
 Posted - Aug 27 2010 : 08:51:51 AM
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Hi,
I just wondered, reading lesson 84, about reincarnation. Obvious Yoganiji believes in it, and in our perception it makes sense. People are apparently in different stages of human evolution on this planet.
On the other hand, there is the theory, that time is an illusion, and all our incarnations are at the same time.
Any ideas? :)
Thanks,
Pan |
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jeff
USA
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Posted - Aug 27 2010 : 12:34:21 PM
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Tough question. Some days I do, but most I don't. :-) Time is an illusion and everything happens in consciousness. I think of past live memories as more of a broader reflection of the collective unconscious. We "connect" with things that help us with our process.
Namaste, Jeff |
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Balance
USA
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Posted - Aug 27 2010 : 10:36:09 PM
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There seems to be a certain strain, or collection of many lifetimes associated with this particular body-mind experience. Something like a dream of tribal migrations over many eons with a familiar grouping of associations and somewhat similar experiences, as in culture, habits and landscapes and such. I have a peculiar feeling that these particular dream lives have come full circle or something. Most friends and family now are remembered within the collective experience, although vaguely, as in there are not often crisp remembrances, but sometimes there are. Mostly it is the deeper connection that persists beyond the dreamscapes of many centuries, whcih is the source that remains true beyond dreaming. I do think all appearances in the dream of lifetimes, "mine" and "others" occur together as one, and appear to exist in a continuum of lifetimes, and an endless sea of imagination throughout the appearance of all being.
I guess it seems that the appearance of reality is illusion, and the Self to which the dream occurs is always and ever all that is. |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Aug 28 2010 : 12:10:35 AM
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If we are all one, then why would it be necessary for every soul to live a lengthy series of lifetimes?
If we are all one, then experiences can be shared.
So when all possible experiences have been lived by someone, or anyone, then couldn't your karma be worked out by "borrowing" (re-living) an experience from someone else? And then with your free choice if you deviate from the original experience, you could morph to another soul's experience to match the branch you choose.
After all, how do we know we have always been the same soul? Because of continuity of memories back to our birth.
But we have no way of verifying that today's memories are the same set we had yesterday! Only that the memories have continuity. And they can have continuity without an individual soul I think because a point of consciousness could fit in any memory set, at any time.
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manigma
India
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Posted - Aug 28 2010 : 03:04:23 AM
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Originally posted by Panthau
Any ideas? :)
I know kung fu.
But I have no idea when and where I learnt it.
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woosa
United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 29 2010 : 09:35:13 AM
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I try to keep it simple and not believe in anything. Maybe all these theories stop us awakening. Analysis paralysis.
IMO Karma, reincarnation and all that are theories that we make up to make sense of life and summise why we are experiencing hardship/ joy. Why people are rich and poor etc. Basically, I will believe these things when I see them.
Does it really matter?
I think the paramount thing on my list is to find out: WHO AM I?!
Like Osho said: 'Life is a mystery to be lived, not to be understood' |
Edited by - woosa on Aug 29 2010 09:48:53 AM |
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Neesha
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Posted - Aug 29 2010 : 4:36:06 PM
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Yes I believe in reincarnation.......Alot of the major spiritual things I can do is a continuation of the previous lifetimes....
because I surely didn't learn them in this one!
Well that's what all the gurus say..... |
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matangi
USA
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Posted - Aug 29 2010 : 9:37:35 PM
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An excellent question. There was a time I deeply resonated with the idea of reincarnation. It was a story that helped me make sense of life....I am not so sure anymore. There does seem "something" to the familiar feeling evoked when gazing into eyes of certain others and feeling as if I could see lifetimes in that moment.....
I guess my current sense about all of this is the story of reincarnation has fit well with a consciousness of a certain time and as consciousness shifts so does our understanding of whatever is called reincarnation.
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stevenbhow
Japan
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Posted - Sep 02 2010 : 10:55:28 PM
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I'm not sure about reincarnation at least in the Buddhist/Hindu sense of it, but from a energetic/scientific point of view even the atheists would have agree that the Universe continuously recycles everything. Nature wastes nothing. The second law of thermodynamics basically says energy cannot be created or destroyed, meaning that all of the energy that exists now has always existed and always will exist.
E=MC2 basically says that energy and matter are interchangeable, or the same thing.
So if energy is eternal and we are all made of energy than I guess in that sense, yes reincarnation exists, eventually some of the energy we are made has the potential to become part of other life forms |
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rkishan
USA
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Posted - Sep 17 2010 : 5:39:44 PM
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When you talk of illusion, everything is illusion including your question, this answer, this forum, etc. etc.
Illusion comes from the advaitic stand point of oneness. In oneness or advaita, there is no meaning to this question at all, or for anything else. So, what is re-incarnation? If there is only one, where is the question of re-incarnation and time?
On the other hand, when we come to duality (dvaita), that there is one supreme paramatman (the eternal truth), and then there are the rest of the things (jiva atmas or individual selfs). Now, there is plurality and we believe in this and that. This and that includes, yesterday, today and tomorrow. So, time exists in duality. And therefore re-incarnation exists in duality (for those who believe it exists).
When the jiva atma (or the individual self) realizes or merges into the parama atma (universal timeless truth), it is liberation.
Until we attain liberation, there is duality and re-incarnation.
The arguments between advaita (oneness) and dvaita (duality or multiplicity) has been going on for millenniums in India. It will continue to go on. I see it this way. Each is right from its own stand point and from where the seeker is.
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delta33
Canada
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Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 02:48:54 AM
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Clear White Light
USA
229 Posts |
Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 07:38:39 AM
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| It makes sense from a scientific standpoint in the sense that stevenbhow already pointed out. Beyond that, I try not to think about it. |
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Amdor
Netherlands
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Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 11:33:21 AM
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I totally agree with Woosa, why believe? everything is as it is.
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Panthau
Austria
149 Posts |
Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 12:06:29 PM
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This point of view is only a sort of repress, i guess. Or do you really always accept things as they are?
I never met someone like that. |
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Amdor
Netherlands
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Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 3:46:14 PM
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| Sri Ramana Maharshi taught that all such theories are based on the false assumption that the individual self or soul is real; once this illusion is seen through, the whole superstructure of after-life theories collapses. From the standpoint of the Self, there is no birth or death, no heaven or hell, and no reincarnation. |
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delta33
Canada
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Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 6:27:47 PM
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Originally posted by Amdor
Sri Ramana Maharshi taught that all such theories are based on the false assumption that the individual self or soul is real; once this illusion is seen through, the whole superstructure of after-life theories collapses. From the standpoint of the Self, there is no birth or death, no heaven or hell, and no reincarnation.
some research: http://www.nderf.org/
it's likely that sri-anyone is going to face something similar, regardless of the (non)theories they choose to teach |
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devrim
Thailand
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Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 11:17:21 PM
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when the buddha was asked this question he replied, " Its not important"
what is important is Now.
Remembrance of the pass and projections of the future is only ego. |
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Panthau
Austria
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Posted - Sep 24 2010 : 04:37:16 AM
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Thats exactly what sects use to tell their victims... its not important, dont ask. I prefer to understand it, and then let it go. Otherwise
i would´ve never found this place. |
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Clear White Light
USA
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Posted - Sep 24 2010 : 08:03:58 AM
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Originally posted by Panthau
Thats exactly what sects use to tell their victims... its not important, dont ask. I prefer to understand it, and then let it go. Otherwise
i would´ve never found this place.
But do we really understand? Or do we just construct some semblance of understanding in our minds and convince ourselves that it is sufficient? (at least, for now..) :)
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Panthau
Austria
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Posted - Sep 24 2010 : 10:29:50 AM
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Right, theres no real understanding with the mind. Its more like a feeling that comes with the right explanation, that enables me to let go
of my desire to understand. But thats probably only me. :) |
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siddhayoga
India
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Posted - Jul 08 2012 : 03:41:38 AM
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Actions have reverberations- they start chain reactions- consequences...that is called karma- re-birth is another kind of karmic cycle! Karma is born & reborn. Atman remains as atman. Mind is karmic. Minds are born- reproduced- reborn. What is reborn is not the Atman. We have to be clear what are we? At the core there is atman. That is same for all & everything. What we usually experience as we is not atman. the non-atman aspect of us is born & reborn. Our existance / experience of duality are part of non-atman aspect of us!
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Originally posted by Panthau
Hi,
I just wondered, reading lesson 84, about reincarnation. Obvious Yoganiji believes in it, and in our perception it makes sense. People are apparently in different stages of human evolution on this planet.
On the other hand, there is the theory, that time is an illusion, and all our incarnations are at the same time.
Any ideas? :)
Thanks,
Pan
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showup
USA
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Posted - Jul 09 2012 : 9:46:12 PM
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Originally posted by Panthau
On the other hand, there is the theory, that time is an illusion, and all our incarnations are at the same time.
Any ideas? :)
Time and space collapses only when one attains enlightenment. As long as maya/ignorance exists time and space appear to exist. All incarnations can never take place at the same time because
1) If there is incarnation, obviously there is karma and maya* and hence time too.
2) As long as karma exist, one consciousness can’t be entangled in more than one body at the same time.
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* Enlightened souls who don’t have karma/maya too take birth in the world rarely. For them there is no, time and space. |
Edited by - showup on Jul 09 2012 9:58:11 PM |
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Do you believe in reincarnation?
