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HathaTeacher
Sweden
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 Posted - May 06 2011 : 4:48:21 PM
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Hi Christi, Amoux, and Manigma,
I eat vegetarian since the 1970's and I agree it's good for the ability to feel (not just understand verbally) that we're not isolated from the fate of other living beings. That said, I agree with Yogani on self pacing (Ahimsa toward oneself, avoidance of brute force, just like in other practices); reasonable steps with permanent results are usually faster than a shaky roller-coaster ride (that's similar to quitting other types of addiction). The change of mindset is just as important as the change in habits.
However, the pacing shall not blur the final aim. A yoga diet is vegetarian & mostly vegan (according to B.K.S. Iyengar, Sivananda, Satyananda, Jivamukti Yoga, and a many other schools). There was a dscussion in another thread here about the pros and cons of garlic, leek, and onion; IMO a negligible issue compared to meat.
In a media society, it's all about whom you let run the show of your own life: An unconscious "floating downstream", architected by shopping-mall ads & grandma's cookery book, or your own, active, thought-through choice. It's clever to look inward and examine how much of reluctance toward veg food comes from the hazy, a bit embarrassing, feeling of "dropping out" from the mainstream society. IMO that's where it's at; most people don't disagree fundamentally with the 10 commandments or with Yamas & Niyamas, but they still lose their way from time to time. That's why it's clever to remind ourselves where we're going.
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - May 07 2011 : 02:25:32 AM
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dear hathateacher
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2 things to point out:
1-" A yoga diet is vegetarian & mostly vegan (according to B.K.S. Iyengar, Sivananda, Satyananda,"
i dont know about B.K.S. Iyengar.....but Sivanada and Satyananda promoted a lacto vegeterian diet NOT vegan... milk and yogurt is served in their ashrams...
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2-"the pros and cons of garlic, leek, and onion; IMO a negligible issue compared to meat"
that is true negligible to the bad effect of meat...but still it is much harder to meditate when one has eaten garlic and onions...so better eat them very very moderately ...like one shell of onion and a tiny bit of garlic..lol.. |
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
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Posted - May 07 2011 : 04:23:39 AM
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Thanks for the correction Maheshwari!
I should have written lactoveg. instead of just veg., about both myself and yoga food (it's the same in Iyengar's Light on Yoga too). By "Mostly vegan" I meant that at ashrams, the lacto ingredients are served in small quantities or dilluted in Lassi, dressings etc. - a little more than what you propose for garlic
I must admit that garlic-free ashram weeks haven't cured my addiction. A long-term garlic-marinated brain notices little difference during meditations there. Some kundalini yoga schools and some zen centers allow garlic and onion, maybe an addict like me shall give one of those a try?
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amoux
United Kingdom
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Posted - May 07 2011 : 05:29:10 AM
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Garlic and onions both eaten here, with immense enjoyment I'm pretty convinced I'm an addict to them too!
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
382 Posts |
Posted - May 07 2011 : 08:33:31 AM
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| Thanx Amoux, you saved my day |
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 10:34:10 AM
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hathateacher ...dont we all have our little 'addictionS"?...i like caffe lattes
do u know any zen schoOls that offers lattes??...
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
382 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 3:03:51 PM
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Originally posted by maheswari
...any zen schools that offers lattes??...
Sorry Maheshwari I've no idea. Drank my last coffee as a student, before an exam, which was decades ago... For some reason, the addictive tendencies cluster around garlic, onion, and red peppers. |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - May 08 2011 : 3:16:05 PM
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you have to eat a lot of raw veggies to balance out eggs and dairy because they are hard to digest, like meat,
and tend to acidify the system (bone loss etc)
mmmmmm - garlic, onion, peppers- me too, but that stuff is good for you, in conjunction with water. I'm making raw food crackers right now - dehydrating onion, garlic, jalapenos, tomato, cilantro, flax to bind it- portable, storable raw food that still contains the enzymes.
And after latte's, you start craving the harder stuff; cappuccino's! just found some instant espresso, rare around here. |
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2011 : 02:12:03 AM
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too bad hatha teacher
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etherfish i dont eat eggs...i dont crave cappucino at all ..in fact i hate cappucino..useless foam
i did not understand how dairy " acidify the system (bone loss etc)"...it is supposed to bring more calcium to prevent bone loss..right or wrong?please clarify..thank you |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2011 : 02:26:44 AM
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Milk has the wrong balance of minerals for people. Calcium is not absorbed back in the bones from milk. Animal products make the system too acid, then the body dissolves the bones to alkalize it. Vegetable products alkalize the body.
Countries who consume the most milk have the highest incidence of osteopenia and osteoporosis. Bones are made mostly of silica and magnesium, and some calcium. And you need vitamin K to aid the absorption. Raw veggies have all that, especially sprouts, cucumber skin, stinging nettles, horsetail grass, and many others. |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - May 09 2011 : 02:37:51 AM
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that was a quick reply.....txs dear
i like my veggies...i will like them and eat them more now...lol |
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
382 Posts |
Posted - May 10 2011 : 2:17:21 PM
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Thanks Ether & Maheshwari.
A cracker of dehydrated onion, garlic, jalapenos, tomato, cilantro, sounds tasty  Sort of Advanced course (I've only tried crackers of fermented sprouted wheat).
Just like with soy, fermentation makes even milk more digestable (and its rest products in the body less acid), but it's still the same (cow)milk protein, casein. Some putty and wall paints are made of it - doesn't look/feel/smell like easily digested stuff. Hence the "mostly vegan" in lactoveg yoga dishes.
Wild plants are great for silica, magnesium, and other minerals (they're quite frequent in macrobiotic cooking). |
Edited by - HathaTeacher on May 10 2011 2:20:42 PM |
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riptiz
United Kingdom
741 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2011 : 3:10:48 PM
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Hi,
Actually not all people can become vegetarian even if they wished to. It depends on their nutritional type as some actually suffer ill health not eating meat, just as some probably do from eating meat.This link will give much information. http://search.mercola.com/search/Pa...=nutritional typing
BTW I have been vegetarian for over 30 years but it suits me and I am still alive.
L&L
Dave
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2011 : 5:42:40 PM
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Thanks Hathateacher,
Haven't tried fermented sprouted wheat yet - i might try that. I made some with sprouted wheat, onions, and curry last. Now I'm trying sauerkraut onion and tomato.
PS I was a vegetarian for seven years growing up, but I'm one of those people who don't do well with it. I do well with high raw, and a little meat though. I agree nutritional typing is good. |
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Delara
Lebanon
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Posted - Jun 12 2011 : 4:43:25 PM
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Hello Everybody;
would like to share my experience on this subject.
Before starting meditation,I was a non vegetarian who can never eat red meat.I get nauseated just by looking at it…reminds me of human flesh
since I've started meditation,my body started rejecting chicken also.Sometimes I get away with eating it ,but other times I feel sick from head to toe straight away .It feels like poison moving in all my body nerves.
From my experience so far,it seems one is naturally pulled towards vegetarian diet with practices.
Love;
Delara
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - Jun 13 2011 : 04:02:06 AM
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Delara
it is true it just happens naturally...
do u consume fish and eggs? |
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Delara
Lebanon
305 Posts |
Posted - Jun 13 2011 : 07:26:31 AM
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Hi Maheswari;
not like before…Before I would eat seafood every other day & eggs almost daily.
last time I had fish or eggs was like a month ago.not much appetite...
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
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maheswari
Lebanon
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
382 Posts |
Posted - Jul 02 2011 : 12:46:04 PM
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Thanx Maheswari!
"At the end of the day, I just want him to go fast." 
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svarupa
USA
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Posted - Nov 25 2011 : 7:16:28 PM
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Namaste,
I would like to share what I have learned about vegetarianism/non-vegetarianism.
When you are crossing the street and all of a sudden you see a bus coming from the corner of your eye, your brain pumps adrenaline into your system to give you super strength because the body is in a state of danger. This is very much needed for life threatening situations, because you can do super-human things to escape death, but if the adrenaline is constantly in your system, you will wear you body down (this is what happens when you stress out too much also).
When you kill an animal, the same thing happens. There is adrenaline pumped into its system once the animals's body detects that it is in a life-threatening situation. Afterwards, even though you cook the meat, some of the adrenaline actually still stays there and our bodies digest that adrenaline. This might be a very small amount, but it is still there.
In today's industrial animal farms, some animals are given shock treatment to the brain and killed in milliseconds in order to minimize the release of these emergency hormones (and plus there are laws for killing animals with least amount of suffering). But what is missed here is that those animals, they live their whole lives in a very crowded/intoxicated environment, so they are constantly in a state of danger/torture. The chickens are stuffed together and have their beaks and toe claws cut off so they don't fight with each other. They spend their whole life in an "emergency" situation, therefore their bodies are excessively producing huge amounts of adrenaline. I am not being judgmental about the industrial farming, I will let you decide that for yourself. I am just saying what happens to the state of the animal's bodies.
Also, in today's industrial animal farms, the animals are fed with medicines to make them not sick and with growth hormones so they grow more quickly. Some of these hormones and medicines also stay in the body of the animal and are consumed by the human digestive system. (the over-weight of a lot of people in today's world is partly because of digesting of these growth hormones from the meat of the animal).
If you are trying to make a decision whether to be vegetarian or non-vegetarian I hope what I have written will help you. Also, if you choose to become a vegetarian, do it slowly and make sure you do research about which items will constitute a complete diet.
Take care and be well,
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - Nov 26 2011 : 05:52:26 AM
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thx Svarupa...if one goes to a slaughterhouse one will immediately stop eating meat...
men are killing each other so no wonder men still view killing animals as something normal...
http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Insi...rhouse-Video
this is in the US...i can not imagine how much worse is the case in slaughterhouses in 3rd wolrd countries like Lebanon for instance...
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Nov 26 2011 : 07:23:36 AM
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I don't know, sometimes it is much better in third world countries because the bad conditions in the US are a result of big companies trying to make the most money while not understanding nature. You can buy meats that are produced under much better conditions at health food stores.
The problem started when cattle ranchers discovered they could feed their cattle spent grain left over from hard alcohol and beer making. It is true that they will eat it, and that it is nutritious. But it is not the natural diet of cattle, and in conjunction with living in confined spaces, causes them all kinds of health problems. The confined spaces is because they started raising the cattle next to the breweries where they get the grain.
Eating a high grain diet fattens up the cattle quickly, but it compromises their immune system and doesn't digest easily, so they fart a lot, and have to be given antibodies and other injections to make up for a weak immune system.
Cows need to roam around and eat green grass primarily to be healthy. A diet in the wild would be mostly green grass, with a little grain mixed in, and all raw of course so all the enzymes for digestion are included. Grains from breweries have the enzymes killed from heat. The fermentation produces other good things, but not the natural enzymes for digestion. |
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Pipedream
Bangladesh
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Posted - Nov 26 2011 : 07:26:00 AM
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| It is not possible to be a true vegetarian. For everytime you breathe you a comsuming millions of organisms. |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Nov 26 2011 : 07:28:28 AM
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| True, I used to give my dad a hard time about that because he is vegetarian. I told him he was discriminating against very small animals by not eating only big ones. |
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