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tom
Germany
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 Posted - Jun 04 2010 : 5:04:30 PM
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Several years before I learned about AYP, I already learned a mantra meditation in the TM tradition, although by independent teachers who had broken away from the TM organisation.
Now, whenever I tried out the I AM mantra of AYP, I found out that my already accustomed mantra from earlier on remained more effective (measured subjectively, of course, by the achieved relaxation and increased well-being), as if it already had ingrained itself deeply in my system.
So, is it perhaps best to stick with the familiar mantra (using exactly the procedure as outlined in TM and in AYP DM lessons) and use it in the framework of additional AYP techniques as a placeholder for I AM meditation?
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Jo-self
USA
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Posted - Jun 04 2010 : 6:51:00 PM
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I stuck to my TM mantra. Tried both, no difference. My TM mantra has four words and is very similar to the AYP ones. My opinion is that when one takes the vector of transcending, via diksha or other means, the mantra, even a wrong one, gets empowered.
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rce
USA
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tom
Germany
7 Posts |
Posted - Jun 05 2010 : 07:32:02 AM
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By the way: are the AYP mantra enhancements usable with a TM mantra, or does TM use other enhancements?
That would be helpful in deciding whether to stick with the accustomed mantra or change to I AM.
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Shanti
USA
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Posted - Jun 05 2010 : 08:06:47 AM
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I would suggest you try "i am" with AYP.
At first it may seem a bit distracting, but like any distractions, when you realize you are on to the other mantra, come back to "i am". It is just a matter of un-leaning the old one.
If you do want to continue with the original mantra, that is fine too, but then, Yogani says, it is not AYP.
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....D=3875#33586
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Originally posted by yogani
Hi UniversalMind and Kathy:
For going to AYP mantra enhancements, being well-established with the I AM mantra is obviously the logical place to be coming from for known results, since the enhancements are designed for that. So when people come asking about mantra enhancements, I point to that.
On the other hand, I would not recommend outright that anyone change their practice or mantra if following another teaching, since that would be interference with another path, which we avoid doing.
For those who are committed to another path and wanting to add something from AYP, it is possible to use a mantra like a TM one and build the AYP mantra enhancements around that. But the results will be unknown and it would be the practitioner's experiment. So there are several ways to approach it -- some that are straight up and known AYP, and many more that are hybrids with other systems and should be regarded as experimental.
While on the subject of TM and other forms of meditation, AYP spinal breathing pranayama before meditation is a much more clearly defined and easy add-on that can make a substantial difference in results. A lot of bang for the buck available there, with less chance for an unknown outcome. Spinal breathing makes most forms of meditation more powerful. Then self-pacing will likely become the next step on the learning curve.
In applying the AYP methods, it is always the practitioner's choice. What is known (straight up AYP), we can verify and support. What may not be known (innumerable hybrid approaches), we will learn about in time, and share. And the knowledge-base keeps growing. So it goes. 
All the best!
The guru is in you.
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
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Posted - Jun 05 2010 : 1:37:09 PM
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Hi Tom,
IMO., either way and no big deal. Just decide and go for 1 of those 2.
The point is to be able to keep on meditating even when the ego has been soothed and numbed off:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....D=7871#69404 |
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cosmic
USA
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Posted - Jun 05 2010 : 11:29:44 PM
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Hello tom,
I will just add that whatever mantra you choose, your practice can benefit from incorporating AYP principles. Self-pacing and spinal breathing pranayama are particularly useful.
Peace
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tom
Germany
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Posted - Jun 08 2010 : 09:35:55 AM
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Thanks for all the well meant advice!
I decided to try out again the AYAM mantra, and for some reason or other, this time it seems to work rather well.
Wait and see! If all stays the smooth ride it currently is, I needn't concern myself with questions of compatibility anymore.
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