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Adi
India
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 Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 12:44:19 AM
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Namaste Shanti ji
i humbly want to ask you that is it ok if i dont do meditation but bhakti instead because after my awakening seven years ago i surrendered to my isht krishna to guide me and it has helped me by leaps and bounds, with some fascinating visions joy and ecstasy.
and that how bhakti protected me against all the turbulences of spontanious awakening.
Thank you for your time to read this
warmly
Adi |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2010 : 07:48:00 AM
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Hi Adi,
Have a very busy day ahead of me, but will write to you tonight (US time) or tomorrow morning.
Have a wonderful rest of the day. |
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Smileyogi
Australia
50 Posts |
Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 03:37:07 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Adi
Namaste Shanti ji
i humbly want to ask you that is it ok if i dont do meditation but bhakti instead because after my awakening seven years ago i surrendered to my isht krishna to guide me and it has helped me by leaps and bounds, with some fascinating visions joy and ecstasy.
and that how bhakti protected me against all the turbulences of spontanious awakening.
Thank you for your time to read this
warmly
Adi
May I answer this,Adi Ji?
Krishna is in you..read my mahayogi words..and pay attention.
It was your inner spirit..one with all..that's it.
Do the bhakti,as long as you realize this.
The loved and the beloved become one..ask yourself whom is doing the bhakti...this will help you.
Also..whom had the spontaneus awakening,Adi Ji?..and what you awakened to?..
Ponder..and do the bhakti....but if you don't ponder,then you are not there.
Remember my words again..,,The loved and the beloved become one,,..so whom is doing the bhakti?..
Much love to you,Adi Ji:)
danny
ps..whom is dreaming on this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fW7...ture=related
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manigma
India
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Adi
India
34 Posts |
Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 08:24:10 AM
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Dear manigma
Thank you for your response i am checking out the book by sri yogani and yes i know about sri rama krishna and also about ig radha i see krishna very often sometimes he is dancing sometimes he is just there is front of me not wearing a pitamber but like a beautiful alien it doesnt make me freak out but yes i meditate on krishna and there was a time when he was on my mind 24/7 and because of that i had to be taken to a psychiatrist.
but no problems i am fine now and i dont share my opinions with people who dont understand.
and thanks for the bhajan i enjoyed it very much |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 11:25:59 AM
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Hi Adi,
Bhakti is, as you know a type of yoga. All yogas will have to dip into the bhakti side of it... else there is no yoga. If it is karma yoga, if you don't have bhakti, it will become a chore, if it is jnana, if you don't have bhakti, it will become a gathering of knowledge, but no knowing.
Meditation is required to make all these yogas effective. Meditation helps us go beyond the mind into stillness and in case of karma yoga, helps the divine serve through us rather than us impose our ego on others... in jnana yoga helps us experience the knowing of the truth rather than gather a lot of knowledge... in bhakti yoga, it helps us become one with our ishta rather than stay caught up in the form of our ishta.
When bhakti is burning you up within, you want nothing but to become one with god, you move inward to find him. This moving inward is meditation.
I am a Ma Kali devotee, but love Krishna. In fact I am doing a painting of him right now, and he sure is guiding me through it. He has visited me a couple of times, once gave me some written directions to find my way back home.... Don't remember the words really, but I know that I know them from within. The mind does not need to know it all, all is known in the stillness.
Well, Krishna is known for his lilla... and you sure seem to experience loads of it. You can stay amused by this lilla, caught up in the maya of the beauty or awesomeness of the lilla of Sri Krishna, or you can go inward and find him and become one with him.
Meditation is a technique to go inward and find him, to become him. As you dip into the stillness of meditation, more and more of this stillness (which is Krishna) will flow out into your world. It will get rid of blocks/vasanas gathered through many lifetimes and soon it will flow into the world through you.
When you are blessed with the visions of the divine, you need to purify your nervous system so the divine can flow out into the world through you.(not as in a dirty/sinful person needing to purify, but as in getting rid of impurities/blocks that are blocking the divine flow into this world).
In Krishna's words (BHAGAVAD GITA, chapter 6):
Let the yogi -- seated in solitude and alone -- having mind and senses under control and free from desires and attachments for possessions, try constantly to contemplate on the Supreme Self. (6.10)
Sitting (in a comfortable position) and concentrating the mind on a single object (In case of AYP deep meditation the "i am" mantra), controlling the thoughts and the activities of the senses, let the yogi practice meditation for self-purification. (6.12)
With serene and fearless mind; practicing celibacy; having the mind under control and thinking of Me; let the yogi sit and have Me as the supreme goal. (6.14)
Thus, by always keeping the mind fixed on the Self, the yogi whose mind is subdued attains peace of the Supreme nirvana by uniting with Me. (6.15)
A person is said to have achieved yoga, the union with the Self, when the perfectly disciplined mind gets freedom from all desires, and becomes absorbed in the Self alone. (6.18)
As a lamp in a spot sheltered (by Brahman) from the wind (of desires) does not flicker, this simile is used for the subdued mind of a yogi practicing meditation on Brahman. (6.19)
When the mind disciplined by the practice of meditation becomes steady, one becomes content in the Self by beholding Him with (purified) intellect. (6.20)
One feels infinite bliss that is perceivable only through the intellect, and is beyond the reach of the senses. After realizing Brahman, one is never separated from absolute reality. (6.21)
After Self-Realization (SR), one does not regard any other gain superior to SR. Established in SR, one is not moved even by the greatest calamity. (6.22)
One gradually attains tranquillity of mind by keeping the mind fully absorbed in the Self by means of a well-trained (and purified) intellect, and thinking of nothing else. (6.25)
Arjuna said: O Krishna, You have said that yoga of meditation is characterized by the equanimity (of mind), but, due to restlessness of mind I do not perceive the steady state of mind. (6.33)
Because the mind, indeed, is very unsteady, turbulent, powerful, and obstinate, O Krishna. I think restraining the mind is as difficult as restraining the wind. (6.34)
The Supreme Lord said: Undoubtedly, O Arjuna, the mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by Abhyaasa (or constant spiritual practice with perseverance), and Vairaagya (or detachment), O Arjuna. (6.35)
In My opinion, yoga is difficult for the one whose mind is not subdued. However, yoga is attainable by the person of subdued mind by striving through proper means. (6.36)
The beauty is, our ishta is so very loving that s/he gives us the freedom to do what we want. S/he sends lilla our way to show us there is more, it is our choice to remain caught up in it or go beyond it. S/he will give us all the tools (like AYP coming our way at this point in our lives) and give us the freedom to chose what we want to do with it.
It is your choice Adi, you can get into a consistent structured practice (I would suggest AYP, but you can chose any structured practice that you resonate with, anything that will cover meditation and pranayama (BHAGAVAD GITA : 5.27 Shutting out (all) external contacts and fixing the gaze between the eyebrows, equalising the outgoing and incoming breaths moving within the nostrils)) and go beyond the mind to merge with Krishna and live from there or go with what feels right to the mind and stay with his lilla.
Thank you for asking this and reading this.
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Wish you all the best in your chosen path. |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 11:40:05 AM
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PS:
Just read this from Yogani... how beautifully said Yogani.
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Originally posted by yogani
1. Kundalini awakening is a partnership between ourselves and the divine. Have you taken ownership of your role in this partnership, or do you consider yourself to be a victim in it?
This is what I was trying to say above... the awakening of kundalini is a partnership between the divine and us. We have a choice to become lost in the the glory of this and/or suffer through excess energy symptoms, or get into a structures practice so we can experience the glory from beyond the mind, so we can become this glory. If we move with ups and downs in our lives, we have to go through life at the mercy of the lilla, when we become one with the stillness, when we become one with Krishna the ups and downs just move through us... we just stay one with Krishna.
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Smileyogi
Australia
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 02:22:27 AM
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Originally posted by yogani
1. Kundalini awakening is a partnership between ourselves and the divine. Have you taken ownership of your role in this partnership, or do you consider yourself to be a victim in it?
Did Yogani say that?..then he is wise indeed.Few yogis have explained this difficult topic..some try to rely on the kundalini only,whatever happens ..happens..and refuse to become masters.Then there are some whom say ,,I am God now..and superior to you(ridiculous...since we are all gods in the making),,...and totally miss the point also.The idea is more of a resonance factor,because it's like walking on a narrow edge.
It's a partnership,indeed...the middle way.
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(from Shanti)This is what I was trying to say above... the awakening of kundalini is a partnership between the divine and us. We have a choice to become lost in the the glory of this and/or suffer through excess energy symptoms, or get into a structures practice so we can experience the glory from beyond the mind, so we can become this glory. If we move with ups and downs in our lives, we have to go through life at the mercy of the lilla, when we become one with the stillness, when we become one with Krishna the ups and downs just move through us... we just stay one with Krishna.
You spoke the truth,Shanti
Kisses:)
love,danny
To us all towns are one, all men our kin. Life's good comes not from others' gift, nor ill. Man's pains and pains' relief are from within. Thus have we seen in visions of the wise !." - Tamil Poem- |
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Adi
India
34 Posts |
Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 03:13:08 AM
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| Thank you shantiji and smile yogiji for your responses i was very happy to read them |
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manigma
India
1065 Posts |
Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 06:44:08 AM
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Originally posted by Adi
i dont share my opinions with people who dont understand.
See this post I made a few weeks ago:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....page=9#65020
Gather some courage and try to move into the fourth stage. There is a reason you were brought to AYP, do not let this chance pass away.
Be strong!
Krishna is calling you.
And the only thing between you and him is your bhakti.
Burn it.... go beyond. |
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Adi
India
34 Posts |
Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 09:01:46 AM
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i know what you mean dear manigma there is a similar story about buddha when he was asked by his disciple what to do if he met buddha on the path.
trust me i have killed all beings even radha rani to get to krish na
there are millions of saints etc but killing krishna is impossible ai m not a hare krishna in any way.
but i am sure you must know the culmination of yoga i have felt aham brahmasami anal huq etc etc or i am the one but with who who is my double that completes me.
i am sure you must have heard descartes famous quote i think there fore i am years ago i had thi9s realisation where i thought i think i am god there i am.
but its not that i am god almighty my personal belief realisation is that god is a human of sublime knowledge, which i think noone else and i mean noone has except him as they say the singularity is near maybe its time for him to appear again as the lyrics of the prince track darling nicky played backwards very clearly say hello how are you fine fine coz i know that the lord is comi ng soon.
coming coming sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon.
lol take care |
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manigma
India
1065 Posts |
Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 01:56:26 AM
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Originally posted by Adi
i think therefore i am
you and your God both think and dream a lot.
http://balbro.com/vishnu.jpg
you need some hard shaking. both of you. |
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Adi
India
34 Posts |
Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 02:58:31 AM
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| thats true at least i need some shakingup adios |
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