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JDH
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 Posted - Feb 18 2010 : 7:35:05 PM
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I'm reading through the old posts here and I see some guys ejaculate about once every month or two, but they also practice tantra once or twice a week. How does one go about doing that, without getting "blueballs" pain in the pelvic region?
I'm practicing tantric masturbation once per 5-7 days using only the hold back method. I have recently "mastered the seed" for solo sessions  and it is a very pleasurable practice. So I am making quick progress here, and perhaps answers will just come in time, but I'll ask anyway. I would like to go longer between ejaculations because I can feel the benefits of it, but also I would like to continue to practice tantra at least once per week. Is there a win-win here that I'm missing?
I don't like blocking method at all. I tried it a couple times, and didn't even get it to properly work, and it caused pain when there should have been pleasure. It feels unnatural I also don't like blue balling myself at the end of a session... the pain from that is also unnatural.
Is blocking the necessary step for moving toward doing tantra practices without ejaculating each time?
My other plan is continuing tantra practices with ejaculation, and every once in a while trying a session without ejaculating to see if the pain eventually goes away. Any merit in that?
Third plan, and I do not like this one at all. Longer period of total abstinence, any thoughts?
Thanks.
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Edited by - JDH on Feb 18 2010 7:38:14 PM |
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Victor
USA
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Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 03:23:21 AM
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| Answers come with time and practice. Blue balls eventually goes away with pranayama practice and experience with sexual tantra. It is certainly possible to have sex every day or two and ejaculate only once every couple of weeks or less, I have done it for many years with no ill effects. I think that the place to start is to accept the possibility that just because one is sexually aroused it does not mean that ejaculation is the only way to bring relief. That is a limited view, much like the feeling of a full bladder, but sexual fluids are not like that and that sensation is caused less by backed up semen and more by blood swelling the sexual organs and glands. That swelling and engorgement does subside as you learn to relax into it and then it really becomes no problem to go for longer periods of time such as weeks or even months. |
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
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Posted - Feb 24 2010 : 2:26:27 PM
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I've gone without finger blocking, from ejac on every encounter to about once a month, and it took me about half a year. The ejac still adds some variation to our sex life but it also reverses some of the results of the AYP practices, so it's a trade-off. The first 10 days after an ejac are difficult, because some of the newly acquired reflexes have just been reversed back. IMO, this proves that it's about regular practice rather than testosterone levels (those are lower after an ejac.)
It was helpful to gradually combine several mudras, bandhas and pranayamas, adding one at a time. Self pacing is essential, the less forcing the more progress.
It's good to keep in mind that the lectures here employ a lot of meditation, breathing, relaxation, asana, eating less protein, etc. It's really a well-balanced mix; without those your body would use the ejac reflex for relaxation instead. I find regular meditations and asana/pranayama, practiced daily for at least a week, bring an amazing difference to preorgasmic sex, too. The techniques sort of 'obey' me without push.
Of course staying away from sex makes brahmacharya easy, but on the other hand, you don't learn so fast without practicing in a couple. Repeated exercise removes the connection between pleasure and ejac. |
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Anthem
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Posted - Feb 24 2010 : 5:10:57 PM
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Hi JDH,
I agree the "blue-balls" will go away as you have more tantra time under your belt, no pun intended!
I go about 1-3 weeks without ejaculation though typically have to hold back once every week or 2. I don't need to use the blocking technique anymore as simply pulling up like mulabhanda and standing up at the same time is sufficient.
I notice that after blocking in this way, the day after ecstatic energy is much more inclined to circulate. For that matter after ejaculation these days is when I feel the most ecstasy circulating which is an unexpected development.
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Is blocking the necessary step for moving toward doing tantra practices without ejaculating each time?
It wasn't for me. I used other methods to circulate the energy which made blocking unnecessary. With practice like this there is no need to get things that close to the "point of no return".
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Third plan, and I do not like this one at all. Longer period of total abstinence, any thoughts?
I honestly feel that tantra out benefits abstinence in a large way. Just my perspective though. |
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JDH
USA
331 Posts |
Posted - Feb 25 2010 : 3:27:54 PM
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
After reading your responses and some more of the old forum posts, I think this pursuit is premature for me. I am just now adding in the first of the mudras and badhas. So I will continue to favor pre-orgasmic pleasure and cultivation, and come back to the prospect of non-ejaculatory sex in a few months. |
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
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Posted - Feb 26 2010 : 11:03:22 AM
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Hi JDH,
I previously had 2 (sometimes 3) ejacs on each encounter, so the natural starting step was to come only once an to stay preorgasmic for the rest of the night or weekend, concentrating on her orgs instead. That was pleasurable and not too difficult. The new ability to finish off and actually go to sleep without the ejaculation made the first visible stepping stone of the ransition.
From there, I went on using the same attitude and technique to postpone even the first ejac another day or three. That took more time and training. AYP made me discover in practice how interlaced (pun intended...) the sexual techniques actually are with the rest of yoga. |
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markern
Norway
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Posted - Mar 01 2010 : 12:49:42 PM
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reuniting.info is a page worth visiting for anyone interested in practicing tantra, especially with a partner. Their theories about the hormonal connections between different lovemaking styles, orgasm types and relationship stability are very interesting. They also have a lot of suggestions for bonding behaviour that I think people can get a lot out of. When they talk about not having orgasms they actually mean having tantric valley orgasms.
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mikkiji
USA
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Posted - Mar 03 2010 : 12:22:06 PM
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Hint--wear 100% silk boxers at all times and this all gets lots easier. It had been a persistent myth around the inner circle of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi when I was a disciple in the early 1970s, that his "boys", the brahmacharyas, all wore some sort of loose silk loincloth or some such. Being a householder and married even back then, I dismissed the entire thing as nonsense, but following the death of my wife 3 years ago was forced into celibacy and decided to research the subject. I found some vague and indirect evidence that both "loose" and "silk" in the undergarment area could be helpful and bought silk boxers--not cheap, but the effects were immediate and fairly easily noticed. My libido decreased significantly--I no longer got horny at all. Not that I couldn't become aroused, but that it seldom occurred spontaneously. If I know I will need to be celibate for more than a day or two, I will pull out those silk boxers and they still do the trick.
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JDH
USA
331 Posts |
Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 11:28:55 PM
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Update here, it's been a couple weeks since my last post here, and I'm starting to get a feel for this  . Victor this was very helpful and spot on.
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Originally posted by Victor
I think that the place to start is to accept the possibility that just because one is sexually aroused it does not mean that ejaculation is the only way to bring relief. That is a limited view, much like the feeling of a full bladder, but sexual fluids are not like that and that sensation is caused less by backed up semen and more by blood swelling the sexual organs and glands. That swelling and engorgement does subside as you learn to relax into it and then it really becomes no problem to go for longer periods of time such as weeks or even months.
It does feel like being full all over the pelvic region. The energy is moving through new pathways into the rest of the body and those pathways are running at full capacity when first learning to withhold ejaculation - so it feels tight and full.
Another key was tantra lesson 2. http://www.aypsite.org/T2.html Which is about having the bhakti in place for tantra, and the desire to redirect the sexual energy inward. So, I remind myself it is not a mind blowing spiritual orgasm I'm seeking. No, I've lowered the bar there. No longer going to the edge of orgasm and trying for some kind of non-ejaculatory orgasm (sure way to get blue balls). Instead I've been staying totally relaxed. Staying far away from orgasm, and circulating the sexual energy in smaller amounts. I begin with the purpose, the intention, of cultivation of energy - in whatever amount I can handle presently.
I think also, a lot of the cultivation and opening of these channels is happening during regular sitting practices. I was trying too hard to figure this out. Long term as usual is the way to think about it. Gently favoring ejaculating less often. Gently favoring cultivation of the energy during sex. Practicing tantric masturbation without ejaculation by staying WAAAAAAAAAAAY in front of orgasm (short session) and then gently favoring an increasing amount of stimulation without ejaculation (gradually longer sessions). All the while maintaining sitting practices, which get a big energy boost from this. That's the way I'm going about it now. |
Edited by - JDH on Mar 09 2010 12:06:43 AM |
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JDH
USA
331 Posts |
Posted - Mar 15 2010 : 01:22:41 AM
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Update here. Things are going very well. As a pre-script, reading Mantak Chia's Cultivating the Male Sexual Energy has helped out a lot.
I practice now with the very strong intention not to spill the seed. And I keep that intention constantly in mind when I'm close to orgasm. This is developing a seal which is slowly getting stronger. Since my last update I ejaculated twice. The first time was a single squirt. The second time was no milk, just water. And after that I've had two times when I've come. Literally to the point where if the seal weren't in place that I would ejaculate at full power in 0.01 more seconds. And then it comes back into me and upward. This created a little bit of the high energy experience feeling of being fried all the way to the finger tips.
The goddess is helping me with this. Perhaps the first self inquiry experience I'm having. I now understand the relational versus non-relational distinction. In relational self inquiry, I wonder something, or want to understand something, and I get an answer. A real answer that I didn't know before. From where? From me, talking through god, talking through the environment, back to me.
So I'm tantrically masturbating, using pornography, and the goddess starts talking to me in my head, through the image of the girl, telling me instructions on how to hold the seed. She says just hold onto it no matter what and she will increase my pleasure step by step to infinite levels. She says I am building a pathway through me, for her. She reminds me as the pleasure is getting more intense that I have to hold onto the seed. Brahmacharya is like learning to grab a live wire, and willfully become electrocuted by pure ecstasy.
Blue balls is also on the decline. It is quickly becoming nearly a non-issue. The intention of the seal, plus all of the opening happening from sitting practices has made the cultivation part quite easy to learn once the preservation intention is strongly in place.
Reading Chia was particularly helpful in the framework for understanding how the energy moves upward and releases from the pelvic region. Specifically the idea that after the energy is moved upward to the head, that its next path is to flow out into every organ and cell of the body. It feels like the sweet release of tension in orgasm, like the relief part of it. With the opening and purification process in place from meditation, the sex energy is able to quickly flow through every nerve pathway / "nadi?" in the whole body, and the cells, tissues, and organs can absorb the energy like they absorb oxygen from breathing, and food from eating. It is a sexually energetic flushing of every cell.
Starting to blather a bit here. Anyways, I just want to say, it works, it's real. It's awesome. With-holding orgasms while developing the seal is uncomfortable, but once it's in place, the pain stops, and inward orgasms begin shortly thereafter. |
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markern
Norway
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Posted - Mar 15 2010 : 11:23:10 AM
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I have found that for me I can reduce remove blue balls for the most part by breathing from the testicles upwards. Pulling energy out of them. Don`t know if this will work for others. Gently massaging them also seems to help for any sort of pain. I think because it increases circulation.
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