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wigswest
USA
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 Posted - May 24 2009 : 2:46:11 PM
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How effective is a nonspoken mantra as opposed to one that's chanted out loud? I know the vibrations of a mantra are what causes it to be unique...how can those vibrations happen if one is not "vibrating", i.e. vocalizing?
This is more curiosity than anything else, since I do "feel" the unique vibrations of the mantra without actually saying them out loud. And the few times I actually chanted them out loud, I didn't "feel" them like I do when I simply think them.
Just wondering if anyone else has thought about this, and what your thoughts might be.
Thanks, and namaste to all :) |
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Katrine
Norway
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Posted - May 24 2009 : 3:08:49 PM
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Hi wigwest
Well....in the context of the mantra "i am".....the point of using the mantra to begin with...is to bring one deeper within. So....subtly thinking the mantra is effortless compared to intoning it out loud. If one engages the vocal chords...then one is kept somewhat on the "surface" of oneself....
Also...the vibration of the subtle thought "i am"...makes the spinal chord vibrate. It is this chord that is the crux of enabling greater perception of...and eventually union with..... Oneness.
Singing mantras is wonderful...so I am not saying that that cannot give deep spiritual...connectedness. But it is a different avenue, that's all. I often sing sanskrit....I love it. But I do it in addition to AYP Deep Meditation.
I am sure others here will chime in with their take on it  |
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miguel
Spain
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Posted - May 24 2009 : 3:20:02 PM
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Hi,
Repeating the mantra mentally has a vibratory quality too,because thoughts are also vibrations.More subtle vibrations than words.And in the case of mantras,the effects are more powerfull when repeating them mentally.
Light,love. |
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Jo-self
USA
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Posted - May 24 2009 : 7:18:17 PM
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Another aspect of silent 'remembering' of the mantra, in contrast to repetition, is that as ones awareness becomes more subtle, we remember the mantra at different levels. Thus, the pronunciation will not be as distinct. Eventually it becomes a mere impulse in consciousness serving to invert Attention upon itself.
Chanting, though valuable, forces the mantra to start at the gross level over and over. In yogic science the verbal sound, Vak, arises from ascending levels of consciousness: transcendent (para), causal (pasyanti), subtle (madhyama), and gross (vaikhari). The meditator is traversing these constantly.
-- jo-self
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cosmic
USA
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Posted - May 26 2009 : 10:43:51 PM
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From what I hear, vocalizing the mantra is not quite as powerful as repeating it in your mind. However, my experience with this is limited. I've only tried vocalizing mantras a few times, and find it more powerful to not-vocalize it.
Perhaps it depends on the mantra?
With Love
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miguel
Spain
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Posted - May 27 2009 : 06:57:13 AM
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In a first stage is recomended to repeat the chosen mantra out of loud,and after a time,repeating it whispering,and then mentally.This is the procedure for those persons who find it difficult to concentrate doing it mentally at first stage.
Of course,this is not the procedure with i am mantra.It must be used only mentally.
Dont know why you find it more powerfull out of loud...maybe its easier for you...but it happens to me also...i find easier to connect with my feelings and the mantra feeling doing it out of loud...but im sure that with practice it happens also while doing it mentally...and it becomes more powerfull... |
Edited by - miguel on May 27 2009 07:03:07 AM |
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