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Yoda
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 Posted - Oct 24 2005 : 10:31:42 PM
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Just wanted to say hi, I learned of this site from www.thetaobums.com the other day. I ordered the (AYP) book and *many* things have fallen into place by reading it. I'm one of those who has done all the "taoist pranayama" exercises without doing the meditation, and my experience has been fun but very glitchy. So now I'm officially an avid 2x a day meditator! Still, I like all the pranayama tricks of the trade and kechari really caught my eye. I'll work on it.
I've studied many an eastern religion for the past 19 years and never have encountered such straightforward, well thought out material. It's been very frustrating trying to get a straight answer from these here gurus.
Accessibility of spiritual teachings has been growing quickly over the last 2 decades, but this book is a real tipping point that will speed the whole process up a notch.
My loosened tongue shall spread the word!
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - Oct 25 2005 : 01:13:12 AM
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Yoda, you seem to match a lot of my own experiences. I think you'll find that, after all that incomplete work, AYP is very dry, very combustible kindling indeed.
Buckle up and enjoy the ride. And you'll get best results if you drop the Taoist stuff (exception: tai chi and inner smile, both of which are "modular" and fit well with any system) as long as you're working on AYP.
Also, if you're working on kechari, you've skipped WAY ahead. I'd implore you to start from the beginning. I did, and have gotten such lovely results that I'm nowhere near any of the later practices .... and may never get to any of them. |
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Yoda
USA
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Posted - Oct 25 2005 : 12:11:49 PM
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Jim,
Thanks for the note! I'm wondering what taoist practices will work along side AYP. I'm doing the sungazing program too, so I'm all loaded up. I'll experiment with it. I know kechari is jumping forward but it can take many years of tongue snipping... I'll be ready by then.
Besides, the cat's out of the bag.
If you count inner smile as meditation, Yogani and Chia have a pretty similar program. Chia gets kudos for being first to press and Yogani gets kudos for his superior organization and emphatic emphasis on meditation that is missing in Chia's material.
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - Oct 25 2005 : 2:09:14 PM
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I'm not gonna beg you, Yoda, but let me make one last stab. This is what I'd suggest, strongly, and I'm pretty sure Yogani will agree. You are, of course, free to do as you think best.
I'd start at the very beginning of AYP, and follow Yogani's frequent and painstaking reminders about self-pacing. I'd stop the sun-gazing, stop the microcosmic orbit, stop the tongue clipping. Stop EVERYTHING except for inner smile and tai chi. Do just meditation for a while. See how it feels. Then slooowly move forward through AYP.
Let me restate: I'm ONLY doing meditation and pranayama (and mulabanda/sambavi...and recently added on samyama). I do not feel as if I have any brakes on, things are happening as fast as I could imagine, and yet I'm staying pretty calm and level-headed, with virtually no bumps. That's a rare combo, and I'm grateful to have found it. I got there by taking the self pacing advice very seriously. I'm not stepping on the accelerator till I feel I've slowed down, and nothing's slowed down at all, so I'm just enjoying the heck out of my limited practice. Yogani says that meditation is all you need, and the rest is just little spurs and tricks (well, not in those words). I can attest to the truth of this.
If you'd like, this thread addresses the Taoist stuff: http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....Terms=taoist
please consider my analogy (in that thread) of the boat.
Ok, that's the last note of caution you'll hear from me! :)
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Yoda
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Posted - Oct 25 2005 : 5:06:53 PM
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Excellent advice... I certainly won't drive a racecar until I'm ready, but no harm in building one in the meantime.
Thanks for the thread link, that was *extremely* helpful. I've only been aware of AYP for a couple of weeks, so there is much to consider.
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Yoda
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Oct 27 2005 : 4:37:57 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Yoda
Cool MRI photos.
Great stuff! I hope this scientific analysis continues!
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