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emc
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 Posted - Jan 16 2009 : 5:15:56 PM
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This is just reporting on a funny experience, but quite strong! (No problems, no need for support!)
At 2.37 into this movie http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=N0wWdWCFUsE
this guy makes a mudra with the middle finger downwards. I'm just so happy to finally find someone else doing it automatically!  It happens a lot (actually about all the automatic mudras and movements he does before that are also very common here). When I stumbled upon this video I actually blew off in a crown opening yelling the house down the exact moment he did the mudras at 2.37! (Poor neighbours, its late in the evening...) (No, no problems with the crown openings either. Thank you!)
I don't recognize that mudra among the Indian ones. Do you? It looks most similar to Shunya mudra but without the thumb. Or is it something Tibetan as the title of the video suggests it might be? (Just thought I'd ask since a lot of buddhist and tibetan buddhists are lurking around the forum. ) For me it's either the middle finger or the ring finger going down.
(No, no problems with the mind asking questions either. Everything is perfectly ok here!  ) |
Edited by - emc on Jan 16 2009 5:16:32 PM |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jan 16 2009 : 5:54:39 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by emc
I don't recognize that mudra among the Indian ones. Do you? It looks most similar to Shunya mudra but without the thumb. Or is it something Tibetan as the title of the video suggests it might be? (Just thought I'd ask since a lot of buddhist and tibetan buddhists are lurking around the forum. ) For me it's either the middle finger or the ring finger going down.
I know it's a dance mudra in India.
Look at this site:
These are from Odissi dance
http://www.odissivilas.org/Vishnu/s...mudras-6.htm
These are from Bharatanatyam :
http://www.noopur.com/event.html |
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 03:23:15 AM
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Ah! Yes - Tripataka and Bastra would be most similar! Thank you, Shanti! It's interesting to learn a bit about these things! I'd love to dance classical Indian dances... I guess I would blow away from doing it at the moment, though!
Found some info on Tripataka, but not further on Bastra.
Tripataka:
It says Tripataka is generally used to denote the following:
A crown
A tree
An arrow
Thunder
Lord Indra’s Weapon (Vajraayudha)
To Apply Tilak
Ketaki flower
A Lamp
Flames of Fire
A pigeon
It is suggested that both hands in tripataka hasta at shoulder level be used as an inference to show lord Vishnu.   |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 09:14:40 AM
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I will see if I can find more on this emc. I was not into Classical Indian dancing much.. but I know people who were really good dancers. It may take me a bit of time.. but I will try and get you more info on this.
Classical Indian dances are actually a form of spiritual practice.
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http://in.geocities.com/medhahari/c...n_dance.html
Gods and Goddesses pleaded with Lord Brahma for another Veda to be created that would be simple for the common man to understand, which is particularly important in Kali Yuga. Granting their wish, Lord Brahma created the Panchamaveda, the Fifth Veda, or NatyaVeda, a quintessence of the main four Vedas. Brahma took pathya (words) form the Rigveda, abhinaya (communicative elements of the body movements, cf. mime) from the Yajurveda, geeth (music and chant) from Samaveda, and rasa (vital sentiment and emotional element) from Atharvaveda to form the fifth Veda, NatyaVeda. After creating this Veda, Lord Brahma handed it to sage Bharata and asked him to propagate it on earth. Obeying the fiat of Lord Brahma, sage Bharata wrote down Natyashastra. Bharata together with groups of the Gandharavas and Apsaras performed natya, nrtta and nrtya before Siva. It became the most authoritative text on the artistic technique of classical Indian dances, especially classical Indian dances of Bharatanatyam and Odissi.
Many of the classical dances depict the stories of Radha & Krishna or of Nataraj (Shiva) or of Ma Durga. |
Edited by - Shanti on Jan 17 2009 09:15:37 AM |
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gumpi
United Kingdom
546 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 11:27:46 AM
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that man seems possessed. It's not bad play acting though. Seriously, i do not believe in this stuff. I do not believe that people start behaving in this way. I have seen this woman guru before and she seems very simple to me. When people ask her about special abilities she doesn't seem to have any in reply.
What would the explanation for these "automatic" movements actually be? Does anyone actually know? Or is it just speculation or guesswork?
I just don't believe it. Nothing like this has ever happened to me. It is not that i am wanting in my practices or there is something wrong with my devotion. I have given all i have got. I just don't believe it any more. |
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 11:56:34 AM
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That's actually very wise, gumpi. I wouldn't believe such things either. Better to experience directly! Then there are no doubts.
Shanti, thank you for your help! Just don't ware yourself out. If you happen to stumble upon some more info I'm glad, but don't push it! |
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Anthem
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Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 12:09:50 PM
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| More interesting to me is just prior to that at 2.22 or so, he does what I call "energetic vomiting". I have experienced this one on a few occasions and know others who have as well. I see it as a deep purge for the body. |
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riptiz
United Kingdom
741 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 1:52:57 PM
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Hi,
I had this mudra happen to me while at work and walking.I did find what it meant but I'll have to research it again as I have forgotten what it represented.
The kriyas he experiences are actually milder than some I have have experienced or seen others experience during shaktipat.When my guru gives shaktipat the time he actually tranfers energy into the recipient is only a matter of probably 20 seconds maximum.
I returned from India on Thursday and during shaktipat a guy close to me found himself doing automatic asanas.He spoke to me about it later and was amazed.Shaktipat was over 3 days and after the second session another guy walked out of the building we were in and when we climbed the stairs we found him writhing on the floor as if he was in an epileptic fit.
The effects of shaktipat can often be very extreme and varied for all of us.I haven't watched this video with sound yet so later I may observe other things as I am not sure if this was meant to be shaktipat or simply stimulation using her energy.It certainly looks like shaktipat on first viewing.
L&L
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 3:39:38 PM
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Man I wish I could watch youtube videos! haha
Love,
Carson |
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mimirom
Czech Republic
368 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 7:43:56 PM
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Grrrr, abhorrent . I prefer entering non-ordinary states naturally, on my own.
Roman |
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YogaIsLife
641 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 8:22:03 PM
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Originally posted by mimirom
Grrrr, abhorrent. I prefer entering non-ordinary states naturally, on my own.
Roman
I agree. |
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 03:06:30 AM
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Mimirom, and Yogaislife, there are many who go into these kriyas totally on their own. Some automatic kriyas happens to me almost every meditation session. As I mentioned in my first post - I flipped into it when sitting at home watching that video, because the energies from it went through so strongly. When I watch the film The Fountain I totally go bezerk! =) I'm rather violently thrown back and forth in the sofa, or body rises and goes into several standing yoga positions. Stillness in action, hitting a lot of blockages causing friction!
There's a whole series of videos on this guy. It seems as if it just starts during satsangs as he is opening up, but I don't know what that woman does to her followers.
Riptiz, those epileptic spasm are hitting me since Fiji. On Fiji I got several acute crown openings when I was instantly knocked down to the floor and ended up either paralyzed in a little strange knot (amazing how the body can bend suddenly!) or wriggling in spasm for a while. It is often accompanied by this extremely sharp yell, cutting through the air like a sword. Flying off the chair backwards, causing a mess around for a while! Like getting 10000 volts in an instant through the body.
Kriyas may look very different, some videos I've found:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=3MNFZj160xc&NR=1
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=zCQFSwkvwUc
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=QGpS3...t=1&index=18
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=63WGG1r9s9U
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXglvg93W4
Anthem, I always thought the tounge stretching out like that was automatic kechari warm up! I read somewhere in our material here at the site that that is a common yoga practice for lengthening the tounge...?
Some info from some guru on how "Shakti moves you as she likes..."
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=IjG2bsmXFUA
And we might end up with a crown opening... You just have to tune into the frequency where this guy is! I laughed my pants off!!!
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=LnrBzvb8YD4 |
Edited by - emc on Jan 18 2009 04:27:09 AM |
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gumpi
United Kingdom
546 Posts |
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 08:03:34 AM
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| The tongue sticking out is a preparation for kechari mudra. Ennio Nimis includes it as part of the kriya techniques. Lahiri Mahasaya warned against cutting the frenumlum under the tongue manually with utensils. I don't know why he did but the stretching of the tongue is called talabya kriya. You kind of flick out the tongue quickly and it lengthens the frenulum over time. No mess! |
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mimirom
Czech Republic
368 Posts |
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 08:15:17 AM
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Wow !
emc,
thank you for sharing this. I'm really having fun with these videos, and I'm gaining new great understanding right now! Thank you so much.
As I mentioned elsewhere in the forum, I'm relatively new to advanced yoga, especially the "energetic" stuff. I've practiced physical culture for years, and I explore meditation for a couple years too. But pranayama, spinal breathing p., mudras&bandhas - that's all quite new for me. So, I've never seen how a shaktipat looks like, or kriyas, kundalini manifestations, or those gatherings where indian yogis experience these things. What an amazing surprise it is for me to realize today, that I myself have been through those experiences eleven times already! I know automatic asanas, as well as a powerful case of automatic namaskara mudra from my own experience. (Although in the case of namaskara mudra it wasn't actually "automatic," as I've been able to see the energy patterns and intuitively understand the mechanics of how it all happens.) Other my experiences resembled very much the movements of that girl in this video (Automatic Graceful Hand Mudras - http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXglvg93W4). I also experienced intense spasms and "impossible" bodily postures,among others of the more extreme symptoms. It was always a very satisfying and beautiful experience. Our body, it's movements and postures can be sooo delightful. These many experiences enabled me to open to the spiritual reality, from the very first moment, with great grace and power. It's been a blessing. I have another two sessions planed in february and april. 
The technique I'm involved in is not dependent on an intervention of a guru though. I consider this to be good, since this way the process is allowed to fully auto-regulate itself from within your soul/hearth/mind/body. It is regulated completely by your intrinsic healing potential/Inner natural spiritual intelligence/Buddha nature, etc. This is what I am used to rely on, and what I trust in. That's why the originally posted video scared me. I don't like the body language of that woman, nor do I like what she's doing there.
emc, you are bringing light into my understanding! Thank you.
Roman
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riptiz
United Kingdom
741 Posts |
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 09:17:19 AM
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Hi Roman,
You are wise to use caution when allowing others to work on you at least until you know what their abilities are to work on you safely.I can tell you from my own experiences of shaktipat that I have never suffered what I consider negative results that have left me frightened or suffering.In fact I consider shaktipat from an experienced and able person to nullify many of the negative results that many suffer from a spontaneous awakening.You need to find the correct person for you.
L&L
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 2:27:14 PM
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Hi Roman, good if you discovered something new!
Riptiz says something very important: Just because it's automatic and spontaneous it's not sure it's automatically ultimately good for us! We might need some help from another or learn how to self-regulate. Shakti takes very little consideration of our physical and mental health, and also too much automatic yoga and kriyas may cause overload!!! |
Edited by - emc on Jan 18 2009 2:29:42 PM |
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mimirom
Czech Republic
368 Posts |
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 5:08:29 PM
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Thanks for your kind advice, Dave and emc.
I am doing my sessions under reliable supervision (a highly educated, experienced, and dear person, which I look up to,) incorporated in a supportive "sangha." A broad and sophisticated reference framework for the experiences is available, as well as a supportive environment filled with mettá/karuná/muditá to a remarkable level. We use bodywork too.
Roman |
Edited by - mimirom on Jan 19 2009 05:49:11 AM |
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mimirom
Czech Republic
368 Posts |
Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 6:29:48 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by gumpi
that man seems possessed. It's not bad play acting though. Seriously, i do not believe in this stuff. I do not believe that people start behaving in this way.
What would the explanation for these "automatic" movements actually be? Does anyone actually know? Or is it just speculation or guesswork?
Hi gumpi,
in case you are interested, I can recommend some hot stuff on this topic:
Professor Stanislav Grof is the leading authority in contemporary western Human Consciousness Research. He gives very good answers to your questions in his work. His well known concept, called 'cartography of the unconscious', has been regarded as the most important contribution to psychology since C.G.Jung. His western style, rigidly scientific research, is fully compatible with the Great spiritual traditions.
Books I can recommend:
The Adventures of Self Discovery
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/088...#reader-link
Here you can find descriptions, reports, and analyses of all the various experiences, typically occurring in non-ordinary states of consciousness, plus basic theoretical framework.
Psychology of the Future: Lessons from Modern Consciousness Research
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/079...#reader-link
An overall summary of Grof's work, plus implications&solution-offerings for the contemporary global crisis.
Beyond the Brain: Birth, Death and Transcendence in Psychotherapy
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/087...#reader-link
This is not an easy read. It gives the deepest insights into the subject.
mettá,
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mimirom
Czech Republic
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 11:01:11 AM
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Roman my brother....
Man, you are one thoughtful guy!!! Thanks a bundle bro! Unfortunately I can't get onto any site that is a "sharing" site either . My computer situation is really lame. My work computer is "smartfiltered" and I can't get anything good (other than AYP) and my home computer is running such an old system of OS, (due to the version of ProTools installed on it) that most websites don't work on it. (again, other then AYP) When I get home this evening though I will try them on the homw comp and see what happens. Will let you know if I can see them. And again, thanks so much for thinking of me and going to all the effort this owuld require. I appreciate it (and you) a ton!
Love,
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mimirom
Czech Republic
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Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 6:36:39 PM
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You don't need to let me know, Carson. (But you still can) It will be, how it shall be...
Roman |
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weee - finally a video on the mudra happening here
