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598 From: Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 4:33pm
Subject: Re: End of the cycle of Birth & death rngupta31
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Dear Members!
I just want a clarification and considered views on the following. There is an Institution viz Brahma kumaris Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalaya having its Head office at Mount Abu, Rajasthan, India and Branches all over the World. According to their philosophy a soul has its independent entity , once it is created it never merge with the Supreme soul.
As such there is no end of the cycle of Birth & Death for any soul and by good or bad Karmas it has Birth in rich/ poor families and suffers accordingly and as such there is no end to the vicious circle of Birth & Death.
Would you pleae extend your comments / opinion in this matter. Nodoubt , of course, it is a topic for a Realised soul to throw a light.
Regards,
R N Gupta
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599 From: Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 5:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: End of the cycle of Birth & death ashwinjlsun
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The uniqueness of a puzzle piece always remains, yet
when put into the puzzle, and seen from afar, it's
individual aspect is lost in the beauty of the whole.
I see it as never separate to begin with...
--- Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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> Dear Members!
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> I just want a clarification and considered views on
> the following. There is an Institution viz Brahma
> kumaris Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalaya having its Head
> office at Mount Abu, Rajasthan, India and Branches
> all over the World. According to their philosophy a
> soul has its independent entity , once it is created
> it never merge with the Supreme soul.
> As such there is no end of the cycle of Birth &
> Death for any soul and by good or bad Karmas it has
> Birth in rich/ poor families and suffers accordingly
> and as such there is no end to the vicious circle of
> Birth & Death.
> Would you pleae extend your comments / opinion in
> this matter. Nodoubt , of course, it is a topic for
> a Realised soul to throw a light.
> Regards,
> R N Gupta
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600 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 5:09pm
Subject: Re: End of the cycle of Birth & death obsidian9999
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> Nodoubt , of
> course, it is a topic for a Realised soul to throw a light.
No doubt, Mr. Gupta :) While I wait for a realized soul to
respond to you, I'll take a stab at an answer myself. I've always
believed everyone is entitled to my opinion. :)
> According to their philosophy a soul has its independent entity ,
> once it is created it never merge with the Supreme soul.
I don't know about this group, but I don't believe the proposition
that a soul has its independent entity and once it is created it
never merges with the Supreme soul. In fact I have a strong sense
that this is a mistake.
If you believe that this is a mistake, by the way, you are in the
company of Gautama Buddha. This is one of the mistakes that he made
a considerable effort to point out, at some political cost perhaps.
But my 'sense' or intuition that it is a mistake is not just due to
believing Buddha. It is more fundamental than that. It is a
naturalistic intuition that has a basis in my understanding of
science and the universe in general. Every 'Thing' is composite
(made up of other things). All that is put together dissolves.
Why do we expect an exception somewhere to this continuum?
And if I were to insist, for example, that while it is true that
every 'Thing' is composite and eventually dissolves, except my
bicycle, you would be inclined to think I am a little silly, and to
ask, why ever would my bicycle be an exception? And you might ask
what has caused me to hold such a very strange view about my
bicycle. And if you found that I have a very strong emotional
attachment to my bicycle (and cannot stand the idea of its passing
away) then you might shake your head and say, 'Aha! No further
questions!'
It is along those lines that I suspect that the philosophy in
question is in error.
I hope you found some use in that.
Best regards,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@y...>
wrote:
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>
> Dear Members!
>
> I just want a clarification and considered views on the following.
There is an Institution viz Brahma kumaris Ishwariya Vishwa
Vidyalaya having its Head office at Mount Abu, Rajasthan, India and
Branches all over the World. According to their philosophy a soul has
its independent entity , once it is created it never merge with the
Supreme soul.
> As such there is no end of the cycle of Birth & Death for any soul
and by good or bad Karmas it has Birth in rich/ poor families and
suffers accordingly and as such there is no end to the vicious circle
of Birth & Death.
> Would you pleae extend your comments / opinion in this matter.
Nodoubt , of course, it is a topic for a Realised soul to throw a
light.
> Regards,
> R N Gupta
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601 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 6:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: End of the cycle of Birth & death vic
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my opinion is that it is as relevent as wondering if the world will end in fire or ice.Worrying about this is a distraction from important issues in life. That is my opinion.
Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Members!
I just want a clarification and considered views on the following. There is an Institution viz Brahma kumaris Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalaya having its Head office at Mount Abu, Rajasthan, India and Branches all over the World. According to their philosophy a soul has its independent entity , once it is created it never merge with the Supreme soul.
As such there is no end of the cycle of Birth & Death for any soul and by good or bad Karmas it has Birth in rich/ poor families and suffers accordingly and as such there is no end to the vicious circle of Birth & Death.
Would you pleae extend your comments / opinion in this matter. Nodoubt , of course, it is a topic for a Realised soul to throw a light.
Regards,
R N Gupta
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608 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Apr 6, 2005 0:32am
Subject: Re: End of the cycle of Birth & death obsidian9999
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Your opinion is noted here Victor. I would not join you though in
assuming that Mr. Gupta is distracted from important issues in life
by his question. Perhaps it **is** an important issue in his life.
Not everyone cares to orient themselves philosophically, or cares
about cosmology. But there are people who do. To each his own.
This man's question or concern, by the way, is considered a
substantial one in Buddhism. The Buddha took pains to repudiate
what he considered a substantial error on that issue. I am inclined
to expect that he saw that the belief that one is an eternal
separate entity fosters a continuing dualism and is not spiritually
healthy.
Blessings,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote:
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> my opinion is that it is as relevent as wondering if the world
will end in fire or ice.Worrying about this is a distraction from
important issues in life. That is my opinion.
>
> Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Members!
>
> I just want a clarification and considered views on the following.
There is an Institution viz Brahma kumaris Ishwariya Vishwa
Vidyalaya having its Head office at Mount Abu, Rajasthan, India and
Branches all over the World. According to their philosophy a soul
has its independent entity , once it is created it never merge with
the Supreme soul.
> As such there is no end of the cycle of Birth & Death for any soul
and by good or bad Karmas it has Birth in rich/ poor families and
suffers accordingly and as such there is no end to the vicious
circle of Birth & Death.
> Would you pleae extend your comments / opinion in this matter.
Nodoubt , of course, it is a topic for a Realised soul to throw a
light.
> Regards,
> R N Gupta
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611 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Apr 6, 2005 2:14am
Subject: Re: Re: End of the cycle of Birth & death vic
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I suppose that my opinion is that it does not feel relevent to my life or will not until I have direct experience one way or another. There are differing teachings on this issue from different parts of the world. I don't personally see any as "right" or "wrong" but more differing in perspective. Otherwise it is basically speculation.
obsidian9999 <obsidian9999@yahoo.com> wrote:
Your opinion is noted here Victor. I would not join you though in
assuming that Mr. Gupta is distracted from important issues in life
by his question. Perhaps it **is** an important issue in his life.
Not everyone cares to orient themselves philosophically, or cares
about cosmology. But there are people who do. To each his own.
This man's question or concern, by the way, is considered a
substantial one in Buddhism. The Buddha took pains to repudiate
what he considered a substantial error on that issue. I am inclined
to expect that he saw that the belief that one is an eternal
separate entity fosters a continuing dualism and is not spiritually
healthy.
Blessings,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote:
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> my opinion is that it is as relevent as wondering if the world
will end in fire or ice.Worrying about this is a distraction from
important issues in life. That is my opinion.
>
> Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Members!
>
> I just want a clarification and considered views on the following.
There is an Institution viz Brahma kumaris Ishwariya Vishwa
Vidyalaya having its Head office at Mount Abu, Rajasthan, India and
Branches all over the World. According to their philosophy a soul
has its independent entity , once it is created it never merge with
the Supreme soul.
> As such there is no end of the cycle of Birth & Death for any soul
and by good or bad Karmas it has Birth in rich/ poor families and
suffers accordingly and as such there is no end to the vicious
circle of Birth & Death.
> Would you pleae extend your comments / opinion in this matter.
Nodoubt , of course, it is a topic for a Realised soul to throw a
light.
> Regards,
> R N Gupta
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628 From: "Maniram Kumar A" <maniramkumar@mepcoeng.ac.in>
Date: Thu Apr 7, 2005 4:56am
Subject: RE: Re: End of the cycle of Birth & death maniramkumar
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Dear ramji,
My opinion is that
"Soul can be said as equivalent to a bird which takes nest as body each life and searches for a body(nest) to live in permanently. It searches all around the and finally getting the knowledge of the world it selects a body to reside forever.
Each life soul searches for the knowledge of the divine.This knowledge of the True nature of universe and the deathles life are the end to the vicious cycle of death and birth.Kundalini Gnana practices pave the way for the same."
Its the my opinion .
With regards,
maniram Kumar
> Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Members!
>
> I just want a clarification and considered views on the following.
There is an Institution viz Brahma kumaris Ishwariya Vishwa
Vidyalaya having its Head office at Mount Abu, Rajasthan, India and
Branches all over the World. According to their philosophy a soul
has its independent entity , once it is created it never merge with
the Supreme soul.
> As such there is no end of the cycle of Birth & Death for any soul
and by good or bad Karmas it has Birth in rich/ poor families and
suffers accordingly and as such there is no end to the vicious
circle of Birth & Death.
> Would you pleae extend your comments / opinion in this matter.
Nodoubt , of course, it is a topic for a Realised soul to throw a
light.
> Regards,
> R N Gupta
>
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