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cosmic
USA
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 Posted - Jan 15 2011 : 9:32:44 PM
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Beautiful story, chas. Thank you for sharing it. I am constantly amazed at how wonderful people can be when I drop my judgments of them.
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Originally posted by chas
There are not evil people. There are people who are tortured inside. People who are deluded. People who have forgotten who they really are. People who don't get any love from other people. All people just want to be loved! So, close yourself off if you want, but I will continue to love...
Thanks for this. I'm not qualified to judge anyone as "evil", or as anything else for that matter. But whenever I would judge people, it always felt like I was closing my heart to them. And closing myself off to the possibility of them rising up and expressing their beautiful divinity.
Love is always an appropriate response. I have total faith in its power to heal and transform.
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With Love and Gratitude
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chas
USA
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Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 11:31:16 AM
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My pleasure, cosmic.
For those who are inclined to believe that my experience I wrote about above is a fluke and inconsistent with reality (i.e. loving wouldn't help with more "evil" or psychopathic people), I respect your experience. This is my experience (partially)-
I don't live in a bubble. I am surrounded by people who are suffering, on a daily basis. I spend much of my waking life at airports and in airplanes. These environments have a tendency to bring out the worst in people who are suffering. Consider that you are suffering and dealing with your own toxic inner environment, and you go to the airport and have to deal with stressed out ticket agents, oppressive government structure (TSA), other egos walking around all stressed out and emitting their negative energy, stress about where you're going and why, stress about your bags, stress about the weather, possible fear of flying, lack of sleep, jet lag... its hot and your space is cramped...and the person next to you stinks...whatever the case may be...There are a lot of factors but my point is that the airport/airplane environment can exacerbate peoples negative energy, as can many other places. Now, I have been in this environment for 4-6 days a week for the past 10 years. I have related to people in it with negativity and/or closing myself off for much of that time in the past. But when I drop my judgments of people, as cosmic said, it definetely does affect reality. Dropping judgements sincerely, has to do with compassion, from my perspective. If I consider that it is possible that "I" could have been born into the person's body and circumstances, I would likely be exactly the same as they are now. Indeed, I have experienced deep suffering in my own person. It is not because the divine was not present within, but more that I was not paying attention to the divine. But, that is not a good reason to judge someone else or close yourself off to them. The person is still divine. As my chakras began to open up, I became more sensitive to the negative energy. It makes me feel sick...dark inside..and my first reaction, historically, is to repel it. But if I remain present and remember the divine reality, then I can be compassionate. When I am loving people with all my heart, mind, and soul, the negative energy cannot harm me. Love is the most powerful energy that exists. Love transmutes denser energy (which is love, condensed) into love, a higher (relatively) expression of energy. It transmutes inside of me and inside of them.
Now, if one is just chillin', and being open, and not actively loving or joyful, then that negative energy can enter and reside for some time, with respect to the level of your own vibration..So, if you are not going to love (and that is fine too), maybe you should close yourself and try not to add to the negativity...
Regardless, I have not experienced a single instance when I have truly loved, and it did not help and/or it harmed me. (if that ever happens, I will gladly eat my words, and tell you all about it  ).
Love can and will bring out the best in people, even in the worst of environments. It can cause a total shift in the present reality..
Actively love the divine in everyone, and you will witness miracles...
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Edited by - chas on Jan 16 2011 3:05:05 PM |
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tonightsthenight
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Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 1:29:24 PM
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Hey Chas, may I say great story. And a great example of an angry person.
I too spend a lot of time in airports.
I agree that intent and love go a long way in this world toward helping troubled, angry people.
However, there is a difference between someone who is "tortured", or has emotional issues, and a psychopath.
A psychopath simply cannot feel empathy.
Psychopaths exist all around us. They even pretend to feel empathy and love. And yet they don't authentically feel these things. Psychopaths are probably less likely to have an outburst like the guy on the airplane in your story, precisely because they do not want to let the cat out of the bag.
This is a legitimate condition that afflicts a large number of people.
I don't dispute your experiences. And I think you have the right idea: focus on yourself, and find the inner silence 24/7.
That is the only way to protect oneself from negative people after all. |
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chas
USA
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Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 2:02:46 PM
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quote:
However, there is a difference between someone who is "tortured", or has emotional issues, and a psychopath. quote:
I respectfully disagree, based on my experience. I can only try to relate my experience. I can't relate absolute truth.
I have spent very much time (now) with "psychopathic" people. I spend a lot of time outside when I am on the road. I spend a lot of time with mentally/physically/spiritually ill people, with homeless people. The difference between these and "normal" people is a difference of degree only. "Psychopathic" people are possessed by the possessing mind to an extreme degree.. Are these beings any less divine than anyone else? Do these beings need love less than anyone else? And, if YOU can't love these beings, WHO can? Are they just eternally condemned?
If you are in the astral or in a dream, and a "demonic" entity comes to you or you go to it, what happens if you label it as a demon (psychopath)? What happens when you love it as a manifestation of the divine?
Is actively loving not the highest purpose (relatively) of our experience now, in this realm and in others? For your consideration....
LOVE |
Edited by - chas on Jan 16 2011 11:44:20 PM |
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cosmic
USA
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Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 4:37:18 PM
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One reason I love driving is because it also brings out people's inner psychology and emotional stuff. Especially on the freeway in rush-hour traffic. People will express things they normally repress in a face-to-face situation. It's a great practice in letting go and loving others. It's also a great mirror, showing you where you are attached. Really wonderful learning experience.
My feeling is that as long as you are alive, there is hope. Liberation is our whole reason for being on this earth (IMHO), so I believe that even the most deranged psychopath or evil demon can achieve it. There was a time when I wasn't capable of empathy at all. Even for my closest loved ones. People around me suffered and I was so emotionally dead that I didn't care. Yoga has turned that completely around for me. Thank God!
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Originally posted by chas
Is actively loving not the highest purpose (relatively) of our experience now, in this realm and in others?
It's the highest one I can find at the moment.
Thank you for this discussion
Love
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machart
USA
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Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 7:57:34 PM
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Originally posted by tonightsthenight
Machart,
I'll take you at your word that you don't believe that you've met a person such as this. Please take me on mine that I have indeed met people such as this.
Hi Tonightsthenight!
I was not questioning your veracity...We all manifest life differently...I believe your experiences are just as real as mine.
I was just a little startled about your statistic of up to 20% of humans being psychopaths...if this is what you are experiencing in your environment...I would quickly change it.
Now there is a reasonable (to high) probability that of every 4 people I meet...I'm the psychopath...making your statistic and my statistic both perfectly correct mathematically... |
Edited by - machart on Jan 16 2011 8:28:43 PM |
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tonightsthenight
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Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 8:40:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by chas
quote:
However, there is a difference between someone who is "tortured", or has emotional issues, and a psychopath. quote:
I respectfully disagree, based on my experience. I can only try to relate my experience. I can't relate absolute truth.
I have spent very much time (now) with "psychopathic" people. I spend a lot of time outside when I am on the road. I spend a lot of time with mentally/physically/spiritually ill people, with homeless people. The difference between these and "normal" people is a difference of degree only. "Psychopathic" people are possessed by the possessing mind to an extreme degree.. Are these beings any less divine than anyone else? Do these beings need love less than anyone else? And, if YOU can't love these beings, WHO can? Are they just eternally condemned?
If you are in the astral or in a dream, and a "demonic" entity comes to you or you go to it, what happens if you label it as a demon (psychopath)? What happens when you love it as a manifestation of the divine?
Is actively loving not the highest purpose (relatively) of our experience now, in this realm and in others?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXL0...gdata_player
LOVE
Chas, I'm not quite sure how to respond to the red herring you presented.
I went out of my way earlier in the thread to make the point that everyone has the potential for union in this life. |
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tonightsthenight
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Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 8:53:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by machart
quote:
Originally posted by tonightsthenight
Machart,
I'll take you at your word that you don't believe that you've met a person such as this. Please take me on mine that I have indeed met people such as this.
Hi Tonightsthenight!
I was not questioning your veracity...We all manifest life differently...I believe your experiences are just as real as mine.
I was just a little startled about your statistic of up to 20% of humans being psychopaths...if this is what you are experiencing in your environment...I would quickly change it.
Now there is a reasonable (to high) probability that of every 4 people I meet...I'm the psychopath...making your statistic and my statistic both perfectly correct mathematically...
No problems there Machart
If I remember correctly, this was in a prominent news article I read a year or two ago in the times... and I should have qualified it that way (and I believe this was only for the US). And yes, the article's main point was the shockingly high rates of psychopathy in US cities.
Whether this is accurate or not, I have no idea. I do know that I've met my fair share of people who would qualify as such, and sometimes even entire social/work groups.
I will say that I'm no stranger to world cities, but I am a stranger to the small towns. I'm sure this makes a difference in both quality and quantity of experience.
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chas
USA
209 Posts |
Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 9:13:02 PM
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No worries.
I was just trying to say that considering certain people to be psychopaths -may- lead one to judgement and untruth. Perhaps I'm wrong. Psychopath is a useful term, depending on what you are trying to communicate. Anyhow, I've said all that I came to say.
Peace
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Edited by - chas on Jan 16 2011 9:45:00 PM |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 10:09:32 PM
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If you look at the wikipedia article on psychopathy, you will see a leading expert on it estimates about 1% of the population to be psychopaths:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy |
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chas
USA
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tonightsthenight
846 Posts |
Posted - Jan 16 2011 : 11:55:41 PM
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Ether, this is the "old" model of psychopathy. And generally, this figure contains only those people who are violent.
I've seen compelling evidence that the real figure is much, much higher. Hell, just live in New York, you'll see all the evidence you'll ever need 
Like Chas, I don't care to argue the point further. |
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manigma
India
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Posted - Jan 17 2011 : 04:44:05 AM
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We all have a little evil/psychopath in us. 
Reminds me of two movies:
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
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Perfume: The Story of a Murderer
Its the Mind that becomes a psychopath/evil, not us.
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Jan 17 2011 : 07:27:04 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by tonightsthenight
Ether, this is the "old" model of psychopathy. And generally, this figure contains only those people who are violent.
I've seen compelling evidence that the real figure is much, much higher. Hell, just live in New York, you'll see all the evidence you'll ever need
Like Chas, I don't care to argue the point further.
Yes, you are correct, the term is not generally used anymore, and has been changed to "Antisocial Personality Disorder", which encompasses amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personalities, according to the article. Together they are estimated to include up to 3% of the population.
A lot of it is just the environment. If you grow up in a small town and visit new york you will comment that people don't look you in the eye, and don't speak to you and jump in ahead of you so they can be first. To the small town person this seems amoral. But to someone living there, it is just normal, and ways of protecting yourself from the crowds.
Old school japanese people consider it an attack if you look them in the eyes. Again, just a cultural norm. So the answer is to meditate and none of it will bother you, while at the same time you can spread a little love to help everyone around you. |
Edited by - Etherfish on Jan 17 2011 08:00:28 AM |
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Adan
Spain
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Posted - Jan 18 2011 : 06:41:15 AM
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Hi Jack,
I'm going to tell you my own experience:
Feeling other's energy happens to me usually. I realised that when I really am on my center, it's more difficult that this energies affect me. To be centered is just realising your personality structure and wondering how you feel. Sometimes we try to put some barriers to not feel affected by other's feelings because you can feel them as "overwhelming". It's like trying to close your heart because there is something in the other who reminds a part of you that you don't want to see. In closing to it, you create resistance and it stucks your energy field. Everybody you meet in your life, is a reflexion of a part of you (conscious or unconcious).
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
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Phaedris
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2011 : 12:54:19 AM
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I have suggestions, specific to protecting from negative energy at the work place. I work in a cubicle, on the computer most of the day. Not in any particular order:
I visualize my work area surrounded by beautiful roses, with large protective thorns
I listen to meditative music at a very low level. Others more than a few feet away can't hear the music, but it soothes me and helps increase my powers of perception, concentration, and meditative absorption at a subtle level.
I accept others negative energy as a personal challenge. I do not (usually) feed into it or react strongly against it, I just observe it and my reaction, breathe peace into my body, relax.
Practice pranayama for a few seconds to change the focus of my energy.
I try to Reiki my work area every day. When I get stressed out I go to the bathroom and perform Reiki healing on myself for a couple of minutes, usually just my hand and neck. I can activate the energy quickly so it doesn't take long.
Surround myself with a few subtle spiritual objects - nothing too obvious: a crystal, some dried rose petals, a couple of pictures.
Namaste,
Phaedris |
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JosephUK
United Kingdom
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Posted - Jan 22 2011 : 5:16:35 PM
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I must admit I have a similar difficutly with certain people, in terms of negative energies.
I've had to explore my mind on this matter (as someone with psychosis this is as divensis has said less than pleasant)
I've noticed after practicing DM SB Samyama for a few months that I could take more genuine offloading from people. Also my active silence allows people to understand when i've had enough.
other wise some people just get into the habit of offloading on you. It's far more sophisticated form of communication.
Learning your limits is key, if a relationship is to be of respect we must both respect boundaries.
I'm sure there are plenty of spiritual methods to protect our emotions but telling someone to stop is a grounded, here and now method.
be strong and know your limits
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delta33
Canada
100 Posts |
Posted - Jan 25 2011 : 8:18:49 PM
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Originally posted by Jack
Hello,
There is a certain individual in my life in whose presence anger, fear, and anxiety arise a lot. When my mood is neutral or poor, the anxiety and resentment grow very strong, and I feel out of whack in the sacral and solar plexus chakras. When my mood is positive, there is still a sense of discomfort and tension in the abdomen, and a usual lowering of mood/energy.
Beyond establishing myself in the witness, and using the Sedona method on resentment and fear, are there any practices I can use to protect myself from getting vamped by this individual?
Thanks.
my personal strategy is to remove myself from the presence of these sorts of people, even if they're family
i see no need to torment your emotional state -- this just detracts from the blessings you naturally give others when not weighed down by this negative person's abuse
one could argue that this could be used as a situation to "practice" being unaffected, but i can tell you from personal experience that it is much more beneficial choosing to spend your time around positive or at least neutral people
especially if the negative person "gets off" on dragging you down (and many of them do) -- just leave |
Edited by - delta33 on Jan 25 2011 9:19:37 PM |
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sagebrush
USA
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Posted - Jan 26 2011 : 09:15:13 AM
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Above all other responses and topics here in these forums-
I am wrestling with the statements from delta 33." especially if the negative person "gets off" on dragging you down (and many of them do) -- just leave"
now from sitting from here where my perspective is and my personal experience, I am in hte moment in much personal anguish, which my thinking mind can review some pretty serious negativity that I will not be able to reconsile inside myself. or with others.
I keep looking for some sort of strategy to be done with hthis...be done. I HAVE MADE NUMEROUS MISTAKES and I AM SORRY.
I AM SORRY FOR WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
How do you walk away from yourself?
if you realize that you bring about negativity and don't mean to how do you get around this?
I try to be quiet, and then I want to jump up and defend my ACTIONS
when someone makes a statement like this...
and I recognize myself taking down an advertisement sign yesterday that was nailed to a tree in my neighborhood as I am driving out and it felt good to remove the sign. and I cas see that the moderators here have that control too....
I don't want to win..
I don't have a leg to stand on here.
and if my presence is harmful and painful and negative and people have to get strategic to leave me...I eould rather just walk away, too. |
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delta33
Canada
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Posted - Jan 26 2011 : 9:10:44 PM
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Originally posted by sagebrush
Above all other responses and topics here in these forums-
I am wrestling with the statements from delta 33." especially if the negative person "gets off" on dragging you down (and many of them do) -- just leave"
now from sitting from here where my perspective is and my personal experience, I am in hte moment in much personal anguish, which my thinking mind can review some pretty serious negativity that I will not be able to reconsile inside myself. or with others.
I keep looking for some sort of strategy to be done with hthis...be done. I HAVE MADE NUMEROUS MISTAKES and I AM SORRY.
I AM SORRY FOR WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
How do you walk away from yourself?
if you realize that you bring about negativity and don't mean to how do you get around this?
I try to be quiet, and then I want to jump up and defend my ACTIONS
when someone makes a statement like this...
and I recognize myself taking down an advertisement sign yesterday that was nailed to a tree in my neighborhood as I am driving out and it felt good to remove the sign. and I cas see that the moderators here have that control too....
I don't want to win..
I don't have a leg to stand on here.
and if my presence is harmful and painful and negative and people have to get strategic to leave me...I eould rather just walk away, too.
the answer to the anguish of self torment is to practice loving yourself
when you get up in the morning, just before you drink your urine out of that large glass tumbler, catch a glimpse of your sleep-worn face in the mirror, crack a smile, and say out loud, "i love you". and feel good about yourself because you are awesome.. you really, really are.. nobody else on this planet can be you except you
with regards to feelings of hurt over the perceived rejection of "leaving", i highly doubt i would leave a genuine spiritual seeker going through some hard times. i'm talking about people who willfully drag positive spirits down in order to get a little emotional rush for themselves ON PURPOSE and HABITUALLY -- those sorts of people are better off on their own, imho
in fact, continuing to fuel their emotional states in this way holds them back -- they'll never grow up if you keep solving their emotional needs for them
"drink waters from your own cistern" (hebrew proverb) |
Edited by - delta33 on Jan 26 2011 9:51:38 PM |
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