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Jack
United Kingdom
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 Posted - Jun 22 2008 : 2:13:24 PM
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Hello,
There is a certain individual in my life in whose presence anger, fear, and anxiety arise a lot. When my mood is neutral or poor, the anxiety and resentment grow very strong, and I feel out of whack in the sacral and solar plexus chakras. When my mood is positive, there is still a sense of discomfort and tension in the abdomen, and a usual lowering of mood/energy.
Beyond establishing myself in the witness, and using the Sedona method on resentment and fear, are there any practices I can use to protect myself from getting vamped by this individual?
Thanks.
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Ananda
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Posted - Jun 22 2008 : 3:07:23 PM
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send him some good vibes and pray for the guy and love him for the love of loving :).
namaste |
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Jun 22 2008 : 3:35:18 PM
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Examine your own thoughts about this person. What do you think of him/her? Your own feelings only come from within and are based on your assumptions about the person. Thoughts create feelings.
Also remember, there is no such thing as "negative" or "positive" energy. It's just energy. The colouring comes from your mind.
Instead of protecting yourself - welcome whatever wants to visit you with the biggest smile on your face, cause what you see is actually only another flavour of yourself.
If you want to learn more, I strongly recommend reading Byron Katie's "Loving what is" and get to know her method "The work". |
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Divineis
Canada
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Posted - Jun 23 2008 : 01:01:56 AM
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hmm, really, stuff like this comes down to one of the nastiest "ego killing devices" to face (well it's not that bad really... it doesn't change anything, it's the way its always been)... being, the fact that it's a lonely lonely world. Pretend everyone you know, have ever known and will ever know has been, is and will always remain a complete stranger to you. Cuz really... in many ways, that's exactly how it is.
Like... I can picture being some poor kid from africa or something, almost dying of malnutrition... I know what it's like to be hungry, but not at that level. I can only put myself in their shoes to the extent that I know, and the rest is just human programming for "seeing the other in yourself, or yourself in the other". It's easy to make believe, but I reckon if I actually spent time down there, saw this kind of thing firsthand, and lived among these people, then it becomes a bit (emphasis on "a bit") more real. I can love them, do what I can to help but I still have no clue what it's really like to be that starving kid.
No amount of thinking or making up scenarios or any of that ever changes the above. Ever.
What to do after knowing the above; going to the depths of your loneliness and seeing what in fact is there and fully coming to terms with that. It's never too scary (but just enough sometimes) and it helps grow compassion for this whole being human business.
the basic formula = see "it's never enough" in yourself, see how deep that goes and what's really behind that, feel compassion. And then see it in the other, share compassion.
sweet. it's like a guide for enlightenment in 2 lines, haha, i'm so awesome. |
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Manipura
USA
870 Posts |
Posted - Jun 23 2008 : 08:42:39 AM
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Hi Jack and everyone - just thought I'd add a few cents here. While I agree that the "loving what is" approach is a great exercise, I also can relate to Jack's observance that there are some people whose presence brings with them a hurricane of negative energy, and who can cause a signficant lowering of mood. I've witnessed this on several occasions, and it's not a subtle thing, particularly if your heart is open at the time of meeting. By taking the "loving what is" approach during those times, I think that you could actually open yourself up to even more of the negativity, as you're basically just throwing the door to your heart wide open and inviting it all in...an invitation to huge discomfort, and then you're stuck with the difficult task of undoing.
I don't have an easy solution, other than the obvious suggestion to avoid this person. Once you recognize the pattern of negativity and depression that's brought on by a particular individual, simply avoid contact with them. But if on occasion you can't help the contact, you might try the following. It sounds a little silly I guess, but someone highly recommended it to me, and it seems to work, even if only by the power of suggestion:
When you're in this person's presence, keep something in front of your heart center. A book, a shopping bag, your purse, an arm, your fist - something to block the energy from directly hitting your heart opening. Keep your mind focused on the fact that you've created a block which cannot be penetrated by this person's juju.
That's it! I'd love some feedback on this if it works for you. |
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Yogajan
USA
49 Posts |
Posted - Jun 23 2008 : 09:21:31 AM
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Dear Jack,
Your post reminds me of a period I had last year when i was very sensitive to others' energy. I think my third chakra was opening. I would get really activated by any perceived negativity. I had a dream during that time that one of the people that I felt this way with was "pulling my guts out." I was telling a third party that I didn't want my guts pulled out, that they are MY guts. This third party told me that whatever I do, don't close my heart. I learned alot over this period in terms of self-care with people, about not allowing others to draw energy, power, from me in any under the table sort of way. It was a period of developing personal integrity, being truthful with myself and others. I asked myself alot what was going on within me with these people and I didn't stay away from them but didn't spend large amounts of time with them either. I asked myself if there was anything I needed to say or any boundaries to set. Thanks for sharing and would love to hear how the process goes.
Blessings,
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Divineis
Canada
420 Posts |
Posted - Jun 24 2008 : 12:32:06 AM
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Meg, someone once told me some beautiful words about the heart. The heart cannot be hurt, it's all love. I mean, there's a pain there, but it's always been of the "uniting" kind for me. Really, I find when I open my heart to people that anger me, and have compassion, knowing i've been where they are in some way or another (just plain "it's not enough" feelings, they're all the same really) it seems to "heal" things in a way.
Energy stealing is more in the plexus area I reckon. I often find myself covering it when feeling a bit anxious or whatever, it's not really something I think about, but I've definetly noticed it. Just crossing your arms over your plexus area can give a bit more comfort, I don't really believe the heart needs any covering or protection though, love is all encompassing, all inclusif (I know it goes against the "I'm heart broken" sort of society programming, but... I'll say it again haha, there's no such thing. It's just "i'm not enough"(sacral) or "I gave my power away"(plexus) or such things, really all "stuckness" is the same, all of it. Knowing that is when "nothing" comes a knocking and "heart energy" is located everywhere, not just the heart)
(I don't mean to go against your post or anything, they're just my personal observations). |
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Divineis
Canada
420 Posts |
Posted - Jun 24 2008 : 12:35:02 AM
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| I definetly agree that some people are just plain not fun to be around though. Unconditional love from a distance I've heard it called before haha. It's a little tough not to make something out of love I guess, but it's always just "bring your awareness to "stuckness" and see the space around it, and allow nothing to do it's thang" haha. |
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Manipura
USA
870 Posts |
Posted - Jun 24 2008 : 09:20:50 AM
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Originally posted by Divineis
I definetly agree that some people are just plain not fun to be around though. Unconditional love from a distance I've heard it called before haha. It's a little tough not to make something out of love I guess, but it's always just "bring your awareness to "stuckness" and see the space around it, and allow nothing to do it's thang" haha.
I appreciate your posts, and I get what you mean. I'm not talking about irritating or 'unfun' people, tho. I'm talking about seriously disturbed folks, or, in one of the cases I was thinking of, a paranoid schizophrenic. She's a dear friend, but as the years passed and she went off her meds, she spiraled downward into a dark vortex which brought her into places of near madness. She imagined things that would make your hair curl, and I was exposed to much of it until I had to ask her to stop sharing her paranoias with me. But what do you do when a close friend goes down this path? 'Love what is'? I ask that question with sincerity. I have great respect for Katie's work, but in some cases, like a hurricane of negativity-bordering-on-insanity, doesn't self-preservation trump opening one's heart to what is? See what I mean? I remember that on several occasions I'd sit down with her and open my heart to her growing hysteria with the intention of bringing calming light to it, and each time the same thing happened: I got zapped with her dark energy. Her darkness flooded my heart, and lemme tell you, it was a dark & terrifying experience to enter her world. Had I been more spiritually advanced I prob. would've been able to deflect it, or at least anticipate it, but it's not something I'd ever want to play around with to find out if I'm now strong enough to go there; I simply assume that I'm not.
I don't know if Jack's initial post was referring to this kind of extreme case, but he hints at the person being more than a slight irritation.
Btw, I'm about to have a 3-day visit from the person I've described above!  Wish me luck. Thing is I love her like a sister, but have to protect myself from the negativity & darkness. Is there a contradiction here? Love with borders? Love, but with a shield around the heart? |
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Manipura
USA
870 Posts |
Posted - Jun 24 2008 : 09:32:26 AM
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And another thing...
Hopefully this isn't going too far afield from Jack's original post, but isn't NOT accepting what is the very thing that brings about positive change? Somehow 'accepting what is' feels like inertia to me, in some scenarios, at least. |
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Jun 24 2008 : 4:04:08 PM
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Just remember, that "accepting what is" doesn't bring passivity! Accepting opens the door to stillness IN ACTION! We will know much clearer what to do when we accept and love what is. Perhaps the action will be to bring the person to the psychiatric hospital to receive medication if that is most appropriate? Who knows?
When it comes to fears, though, I know that it's the fear of the fear that is the problem, never the issue itself. It can always be solved somehow. But our fear of meeting something scary can build up enormous tension. Thoughts start making models of what it is and spins, bringing more fear in a spiral... Accepting what is brings an end to that spiral of fears of getting afraid. And then the situation is what it is and can be handled. At least that's my experience. (And I work daily with black holes of traumas, collective pain thunderstorms and deamons having a blast with our crown chakras! Just kidding... but I deal quite a lot with heavily disturbed minds.) |
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Divineis
Canada
420 Posts |
Posted - Jun 25 2008 : 12:58:41 AM
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haha yeah... acceptance, it's a tricky thing. Indeed, it comes down to acceptance of non acceptance sometimes too. Honestly though, Meg, I've known just what your friends going through. I heard freaking satan in my head the other day haha (he speaks latin... just to let you know :) haha, as you can see, this stuff can't touch my Self, good thing I relate with that a little more than little self). There's a thing with being schizzo(I'm not officially schizzo, and it's pretty much gone, but if I go by the definition that "you're shcizzo if you hear people conversing in your head"... than I guess i'm schizzo, i've never been huge on definitions though)... honestly for me it came down to "how much do I love my drama\story". It's a good motivator for silence haha. I know just what you mean though, I was in a forum for "people that hear voices" and I kid you not, most of the people there wanted their voices, they won't directly admit it... but people don't believe you that when you can drop your story and just "go inside" that that sort of thing tends to exhaust itself. There's no instant cure of course, and there's definetly no convincing some people, and sometimes it just takes a "love em anyway" attitude I guess. I'll straight up tell some people that they're a downer to be around, and it's because I love em, it's because I know that they know that there's so much more to life than one drama after another after another, but there's no changing some people... ughh, some even want a piece of my drama.
What it came down for me though is... do I avoid it, resist it, or... just enjoy the moment and allow that nasty programming to exhaust itself. It's sorta like "I hear voices, but... I never stopped listening". My situations a little weird, a lot of the things came from things I actually heard, so I sorta felt I owe it to these people to listen, and then came a point when I've just heard enough... not that I stopped listening, but... you can only give your power away so much until you feel your stuck in a deep dark pit, and sometimes that's what it takes, for some it takes hitting rock bottom before working your way back up. And it's ok, you know what I mean? It's another side of life, it's not a pretty one, but I'm after the "all inclusif" sort of enlightenment, whatever comes up, I do my best to go into it, even if it's satan chanting some freaky curse or something in latin. He wasn't that scary to listen to really... haha.
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Divineis
Canada
420 Posts |
Posted - Jun 25 2008 : 01:07:51 AM
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... after all that being said. I have absolutly no advice to give you for your friend. I leave you with... nothing. I don't know her story, don't wanna know her story, don't care for her story... maybe tell her that, that might help. Tell her some schizzo dude on a forum that believe in love and all that good stuff, doesn't care for her story, and that until she can give hers up, she's gonna be stuck in her mind over and over and over again.
I know they say schizophrenia is often chemical imbalances and such, in which case... she should be taking meds, but in a big part, it's exactly the above, it's that you love your bullsh*t way too much. That you think there's some way to make sense out of like you said, something you just plain don't need to accept. When you're delusional, there's no making sense of illusion, you just let it exhaust itself, you give up your story. I don't care for hers haha, only cuz I love her :). |
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Manipura
USA
870 Posts |
Posted - Jun 25 2008 : 09:56:34 AM
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Originally posted by emc
At least that's my experience. (And I work daily with black holes of traumas, collective pain thunderstorms and deamons having a blast with our crown chakras! Just kidding... but I deal quite a lot with heavily disturbed minds.)
Maybe the key is experience. Like everything else in life, the more you practice it or are exposed to it, the better and more relaxed you become. The vast majority of people that I communicate with are pretty cool and even-tempered, like me.  So when I come into contact with negative, harsh people, it's a bit of a shock, and my heart center feels the impact. I'm not sure that I want to start befriending irritating people to acclimate myself to their energy, but may be able to find a different way of dealing with it. I'll have the chance to experiment real soon.
Thanks for your insights into "talkative" minds, Divineis. Really interesting perspective from someone who knows the territory. |
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Divineis
Canada
420 Posts |
Posted - Jun 25 2008 : 3:47:27 PM
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No problemo, all in a days work. I don't mean to sound harsh though hehe, I'm like a really kind person in real life, I've just seen too many people WANT this sort of thing (even if they can't admit it, ughh), and I guess my "tough love" part of me gets activated when thinking about it. If I were you, I'd teach her some simple mindfulness exercises, no need to call it meditation, it can be pretty scary "going inside" when this sort of thing is going on, inside is generally something most people want to avoid... they'll have to face it eventually, but... I dunno, I've yet to convince one voice hearer to go inside, so outside... is fine, with a bit of exercises to help you focus on "the moment" n such. Grounding thoughts and such, like doing things for me. haha, I lied when I said "I have no advice", well not really... for dealing with illusion, it comes to nothing, for everything else, it comes to a little something here a little something there that reminds you of what it's all about :).
I don't mean to speech you on how to deal with this. Let's just say this is a problem I've got close to heart. I had to leave a full forum of people I couldn't help, and I guess I felt this is my "last chance" in a way.
... no pressure :) haha |
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voluchi
USA
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Posted - Jun 26 2008 : 11:23:04 AM
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| Dear Jack: I like what meg and yogajen have proposed. My way of dealing with it is to be thankful to the person for giving you a rare oppurtunity to learn to deal with such energy draining situations. It teaches you a new tool, makes you more complete and stronger, well prepared for such unfortunate encounters in the future. |
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salaam123
Finland
16 Posts |
Posted - Jul 11 2008 : 3:29:26 PM
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If you have a working frontal channel, then imagine a metallic spike under your feet.Your chi can be either above or below this metallic spike(spike below chi is more powerful). if you imagine this spike lower in to the earth, it will send more negative energy. But if you make it too low you can do damage to your own chi circulation. If you do this correctly you will feel it in maybe 5 seconds. Later on if you keep it you can see a change in your facial shape and eyebrows(shape gets down near eyebrows)
This is one way to counter negative energy but it will make people with weak earth energy uncomfortable around you. Also the stronger chi he has and tools to send negative energy in contrast to you, the weaker you will feel around him or he around you if he is weaker then you.
The best thing to have is to just have fully functional circulation, that way all problems will probably be solved. |
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salaam123
Finland
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Posted - Jul 11 2008 : 3:31:57 PM
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this sending negative energy stuff I also call it sometimes "chi anchor" because it stops the chi going up. But with good circulation there is automatic thing that comes up below your legs to protect your energy from rising.
best is though just to have good chi and jing. Sending negative energy to cope with negative energy is a good temporary solution so you don´t get angry with people who send negative energy. |
Edited by - salaam123 on Jul 11 2008 3:37:15 PM |
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maya_1347
USA
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Posted - Aug 02 2008 : 11:24:44 PM
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Good Day Jack;
To reinforce positive energy in your space is good to increase negative ions - crystal healing. You can use sea salt as a basic crystal.
It has been used for ages by different traditions as a cleanser - also you can use salt lamps on your desk or living room.
It all depends what kind of setting you live or work in.
Love and Light
Maryam |
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erik89
Norway
21 Posts |
Posted - Jan 13 2011 : 4:14:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by salaam123
this sending negative energy stuff I also call it sometimes "chi anchor" because it stops the chi going up. But with good circulation there is automatic thing that comes up below your legs to protect your energy from rising.
best is though just to have good chi and jing. Sending negative energy to cope with negative energy is a good temporary solution so you don´t get angry with people who send negative energy.
Can you or anyone else say more about this?
Another question: If you mannage to accept it 100 % would you still feel negative energy?
Thanks!
Love |
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tonightsthenight
846 Posts |
Posted - Jan 13 2011 : 10:27:16 PM
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Manipura is correct here guys.
Honestly, i get the impression that some posters on this topic have had an entirely different social experiences then me 
There are evil people in this world. There are psychopaths. In fact, it is estimated that around 15-20% of Americans are psychopaths. This means that the feel no empathy or love for other people. None.
Some people are seriously deranged. This is real. It doesn't get magically changed by sending them love or reading a book.
The only real, legitimate way to protect oneself from these type of people, besides avoidance, is 24/7 inner silence. |
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machart
USA
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Posted - Jan 13 2011 : 11:06:46 PM
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Originally posted by tonightsthenight
There are evil people in this world.
Hi tonightsthenight!
I personally have never met an evil person...I have met a lot of ignorant people driven by a lot temptations that are part of this world...but no one that I would consider evil. I have seen people including myself do stupid (some may say "evil") things.
I have read a lot about evil people like Hitler, Judas many murderers etc... but never met one.
Have you ever met someone who was totally "evil" with no sign of light or goodness in them?
This may be just an urban legend...but I like it as a student of physics...
This has a thought provoking message no matter how you believe. Does evil exist?
The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists?
A student bravely replied yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes, sir," the student replied.
The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil."
The student became quiet before such an answer.
The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.
Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"
"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.
The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Everybody and every object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have too little heat.
The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"
The professor responded, "Of course it does".
The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."
Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil exist?"
Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. "These manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love, that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
The professor sat down.
The young mans name --- Albert Einstein
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tonightsthenight
846 Posts |
Posted - Jan 14 2011 : 11:06:18 PM
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Machart,
I see your point, and it is valid.
But you are arguing semantics with me.
Let's say we define evil, then, as the absence of good (or god). That is fine by me. In fact I think it's a pretty damn good explanation.
If enlightenment is all about perspective, then it figures that ignorance is all about the same thing.
But perspective does not change in an instant.
Can "evil" people they change? Do they have the capacity to be in union? Absolutely.
Do these people exist? Absolutely.
I'll take you at your word that you don't believe that you've met a person such as this. Please take me on mine that I have indeed met people such as this.
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Jan 15 2011 : 12:36:20 AM
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I've met very evil people. But people are a complex mixture of a lot of different attributes.
When you meet people like that, you should get to know them. Show a real interest in them, to try and find out why they are the way they are. You will probably be surprised at what you learn. |
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chas
USA
209 Posts |
Posted - Jan 15 2011 : 2:52:35 PM
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About a week ago, I was a passenger on an airliner. A few minutes after I took my seat, a man sat down next to me. I could feel the negativity coming out of him. A young adult girl sat down in the seat in front of him. She put her purse under her seat (in his foot space). The man immediately reached down and grabbed her purse and dropped it over the seat right on top of her. He said "what's wrong with you? You can't put your sh*t in my space!" The girl sunk into her seat, just feeling horrible, I'm sure... The man started telling me about how people don't have any edicut these days. I just smiled and remained silent. Once we were in the air the girl reclined her seat. The man grabbed her seat and shook it, saying "I wish I could chuck this seat overboard!". He got up and went to the bathroom. I moved over into his seat. He came back and sat in mine. I had to do something, so I closed my eyes and started meditating. "What should I do"... I asked God to bring peace to the man and to the girl. I asked God that he may take all the love that was inside me and fill these 2 people. I started pouring my love into them. 15 minutes later, the man looked over and smiled at me. I smiled back. We started having a nice conversation. The man was was joyful. His furrowed brow was gone. His negative energy was gone. The "evil" one was gone. I never said anything about his actions toward the girl. At the end of the flight the man apologized to the girl and said that he was out of line. It was a miracle!!!
There are not evil people. There are people who are tortured inside. People who are deluded. People who have forgotten who they really are. People who don't get any love from other people. All people just want to be loved! So, close yourself off if you want, but I will continue to love... |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Jan 15 2011 : 3:06:14 PM
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Yes that man was probably already angry when he got on the plane, and that's what you felt. The girl crossed his boundary by putting her purse in his space. So he expressed his anger. This is perfectly normal behavior. Then the fact that he apologized later shows that he knows how to get over anger instead of harboring it, which would be dangerous.
Storing anger is what makes people do evil things. The ironic thing is, people who store anger are often meek people who don't wish to hurt anyone. They have often been the victim of someone else's stored anger, vowed to never be like them, and consequently don't express their own anger. It stores physically in their body, and they have no control of when it will come back out. The more that is stored, the more evil they will appear as it comes out. |
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