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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
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 Posted - Mar 07 2008 : 10:42:03 PM
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Hi Everyone 
I found this article tonight and I thought that this would be a great place to find out what everyone might think about it. It claims that the kundalini can be risen in 30 days, by practicing 1 to 2 hours per day. The author claims to have done this.
There are a number of points in this article that stood out in my mind. Yogani's approach is a safe careful method of awakening the kundalini, one which is buffered by deep silence meditation and a gradual controlled approach. I also understand that kundalini is high energy and it is probably better to have very thick cables to carry the current. So it may be a very wise thing to clear and expand your wires before rising the kundalini.
The other concern that I have with the approach quoted below is the mention of the great pressure in the head when rising the kundalini. The neck lock is different from the AYP neck lock and it's purpose is to straighten the neck, facilitating the upward flow. Otherwise rising the kundalini is said to be quite dangerous. I wonder if stroke is a possiblity?
Lastly, the statement "The pineal gland or seat of the soul does not work when the tenth gate (top of the head) is sealed." is contrary to Yogani's controlled, indirect awakening of the crown.
Here is the article. Perhaps we could discuss it, analyze it and determine if it is a good thing, a bad thing, contains truth or is a dangerous practice that shouldn't have been revealed to the public over the internet?
Here is the link: http://www.whale.to/v/kundalini.html
TI |
Edited by - Tibetan_Ice on Mar 08 2008 12:59:42 AM |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Mar 08 2008 : 04:08:27 AM
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| I think it's better to take more time, be safer, and have more long term dedication. Everyone is different as far as the thirty day package, and also, kundalini rising shouldn't be thought of as an ultimate, final goal. |
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selfonlypath
France
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Posted - Mar 09 2008 : 07:43:10 AM
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Hey TI,
I've been reading different posts of yours and the same pattern pops up, you're going way too fast !
There are techniques I know where kundalini could be awaken in a few yours but then, it will be a mess for many lifetimes !
You're young so take it easy, you have all the time to reach enlightment.
Amicalement, Albert |
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Nirodha
New Zealand
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Posted - Mar 09 2008 : 12:24:02 PM
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Hi Tibetan_Ice,
I personally wouldn't do anything to try to manipulate Kundalini, as most people that do seem to get into serious trouble with it (e.g. psychosis and all sorts of psychosomatic illnesses). If one just follows a gradual approach, such as those taught here and in other systems, such as Buddhism's Noble Eightfold Path, one's Kundalini will awaken when one is ready for it.
I had a Kundalini awakening after about 6 to 9 months of using a Buddhist approach that was focused on producing Samadhi/Jhana (meditation absorption), and had no problems with it as a result. I was meditating approximately 2.5 hours per day at the time. Kundalini literally nailed me to the floor when it hit: I experienced a pressure going up my spine and then intense energy, orgasmic bliss, ecstatic joy and violent involuntary physical shaking. As a matter of fact, I was so overwhelmed by it that I nearly burst into tears, and all I could do was just ride it out.
Please don't try to induce a Kundalini awakening. Please just keep doing your normal practices. And, when you are ready for Kundalini it will present itself to you.
Kind regards,
Nirodha |
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 01:35:03 AM
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Originally posted by Etherfish
I think it's better to take more time, be safer, and have more long term dedication. Everyone is different as far as the thirty day package, and also, kundalini rising shouldn't be thought of as an ultimate, final goal.
Hi Etherfish
I think you have given good advice here. Thank you for your input!
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 01:46:03 AM
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Originally posted by selfonlypath
Hey TI,
I've been reading different posts of yours and the same pattern pops up, you're going way too fast !
There are techniques I know where kundalini could be awaken in a few yours but then, it will be a mess for many lifetimes !
You're young so take it easy, you have all the time to reach enlightment.
Amicalement, Albert
Hi Albert
Thank you for your comments.
I am 51 years old so I figure that I'd better get it done soon. Life is short. I've been preparing for this most of my life and in some previous lifetimes too. 
I think the hard part is never telling anyone you know about what you are going through because they would think that you are crazy.
I'm so glad that Yogani has this forum. 
TI
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selfonlypath
France
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Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 2:16:11 PM
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Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
I am 51 years old so I figure that I'd better get it done soon. Life is short. I've been preparing for this most of my life and in some previous lifetimes too.
Hi TI,
Ask yourself who is the I who wants to get it done soon ?
Please remember that only Godess will decide when and through which system you'll experience a full blown kundalini. Mother Kundalini knows best than your ego who wants to control her because ego fears its dissolution! She knows when someone is unprepared or not enough purified that it will be too dangerous to awaken prematurely.
There is a chinese curse saying May you be enlightened in one week !
Peace, Albert
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emc
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Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 3:02:47 PM
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There is a chinese curse saying May you be enlightened in one week !
Wow! What a curse! |
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 7:13:21 PM
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Originally posted by Nirodha
I had a Kundalini awakening after about 6 to 9 months of using a Buddhist approach that was focused on producing Samadhi/Jhana (meditation absorption), and had no problems with it as a result.
Hi Nirodha
Thank you for your response.
So, in view of your kundalini rising, is it true that you have to 'keep it up'? Do you bring kundalini up at will now? Or is it always flowing? Does it flow more when you keep good posture?
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 7:33:50 PM
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Originally posted by selfonlypath
Please remember that only Godess will decide when and through which system you'll experience a full blown kundalini.
She knows when someone is unprepared or not enough purified that it will be too dangerous to awaken prematurely.
Hi Albert
From all indications, I find your statements inaccurate for two reasons:
1)There are many examples of people who experience 'premature' kundalini and have a very bad time with it. Some suicides too. I'm sure kundalini, if it was that wary and discriminating, would not have arisen in those cases.
2)If only kundalini will decide when she comes out, then why worry about taunting her entrance? Do you see what I mean?
There seems to be two schools of thought (probably more). One, that kundalini is very hard to awaken and takes years and lifetimes to do so. The other one is that kundalini is easy to awaken, is no big deal and the challenge is to keep her up (as was stated in the Yogi Bhajan article, and is stated in Reiki Tummo and other teachings).
Again, thank you for your input.
TI
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Nirodha
New Zealand
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Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 9:47:04 PM
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Hi TI,
You're welcome.
Kundalini seems to be always flowing within me now. I'm not sure how to describe it exactly: It's as if I have a belly full of pulsating joy throughout my day. When I meditate and reach Samadhi (meditative absorption) it will eventually migrate up my back and torso and be most prominently felt in my head.
In regards to bringing Kundalini up at will: That's not something I even think about, as I don't try to manipulate it at all. I just meditate sensitive to joy and pleasure (samadhi factors) and it arises on it's on.
It's interesting that you asked if I have to keep good posture in order for Kundalini to arise. Actually I tend to slouch a little bit when I meditate. However, I have noticed that once Kundalini starts to arise that it will straighten out my posture itself by way of Kriyas (charismatic movements).
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Edited by - Nirodha on Mar 11 2008 03:45:28 AM |
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selfonlypath
France
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Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 11:45:33 PM
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Hi TI,
Well if my arguments are incorrect, what are you doing on AYP forum that teaches among other things an excellent wisdom advice on self-pacing !
One school I follow is Siddha Maya Yoga or Kundalini Maha Yoga or Shaktipat under Tirth lineage so you're saying Swami Shivom Tirth or Swami Shankar Purushottam Tirth are incorrect !
You're very right that under certain techniques, it is easy to awaken kundalini but the point is the preparation before so you can continue having a sound human experience when kundalini awakens.
As I mentioned before on this thread, I happen to know and practice some of these fast techniques under tantrik-shaman path.
In Shakti, Albert |
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Alvin Chan
Hong Kong
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Posted - Mar 11 2008 : 02:07:05 AM
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I might be able to offer a description I found analogous to the 2 schools:
A brilliant craftsman is making a sculpture out of a piece of stone. It takes years for him to make it. One man said, "It takes years to make the sculpture."
Another man said, "You're wrong. It takes only a few seconds to "make" the sculpture, it's always sitting inside the stone. You just have to give it life. But the hard part is to free it from the stone, which could take years."
Who's right, and who's wrong? And does it matter? Kundalini awakening is something even vaguer and experimental than making a sculpture. So the confusion is even more, but it's only at the conceptual/philosophical level. What's REALLY happening is always the same. By what observable difference can the one-day school say you've awakened you kundalini? Not very different from the "sculpture's always sitting inside the stone" theory. They're manipulating words and concepts, subtly changing the usual meaning of "a sculpture" or "awakened kundalini". As kundalini is even less well-understood than "a sculpture", the confusion could seem very real if you believe in what every guru say.
I've met a well-known school who claims they could awaken your kundalini instantly --- maybe a few minutes. Have your own mind, and independently decide what this means.
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selfonlypath
France
297 Posts |
Posted - Mar 11 2008 : 02:46:47 AM
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Hey,
Tirth lineage is dedicated to Siddha Maha Yoga (Shaktipat).
When reading "Yoga Vani" from Swami Shankar Purushottan Tirth, one can find there are 3 ways to awaken Kundalini in this plane of existence:
- through penance (own practice of yoga)
- through receiving shaktipat from a guru
- through having Kundalini awakened in a previous life
It is worthwhile noting that Swami Muktananda has used this book during his journey.
Start extract of Yoga Vani animated book
The spirit-force Kundalini is roused up in three ways. First by practice of Asan, Mudra & Pranayama; second, through the grace of a Siddha-Guru or preceptor who is a self-realizer; and third through absolute devotion gained from previous birth.
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The means of attaining salvation by the awakening of Kundalini-Shakti are three and so the devotion may also be divided in three classes: e.g. devotee obtaining siddhi by penance, through the grace of the Preceptor and by chance or through God's grace. The devotee obtaining siddhi in dreams is included in the category of devotee attaining siddhi by Chance and so has got no separate class of it's own.
End extract
I think AYP falls into the first case which is the slowest but safest.
The second case is the quickest if one find a very advanced guru.
The last case seems connected in my opinion to shaman path.
On a side note, I happen to be precisely in the last case. When I discovered I had a slight form of Shaktipat, I looked for guidance because I knew it could be dangerous and I've been blessed to find Swami SadaShiva Tirth in june 2005. But I'm also very unfortunate because Tirth lineage does not recognize shaman path neither left hand tantrik path that are also part of my spiritual journey in this plane of existence!
In Shakti, Albert |
Edited by - selfonlypath on Mar 11 2008 03:57:29 AM |
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Maatsuah
USA
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Posted - Mar 11 2008 : 3:16:41 PM
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Hi Tibetan Ice
I have been practicing with this site for almost a year and have had a lot of interesting experiences also. My experiences have happened gradually and in small amounts because I watch what is happening as I meditate and keep tweaking the practice to suite my bodie's needs. That way, my experiences are under my control. This approach is working for me.
Yogani calls this self pacing. It is a priority on this site and considered more important than trying new systems or even having a multiple of experiencs with this system. There is a thread on this site which addresses other spiritual practices which would be a good place to discuss the pros and cons of this 30-day system, however, I feel safe in saying that Yogani would not recommend something of this nature.
Yogani has a few good books on this site which discuss his approach to practicing Kundalini Yoga. He also has free lessons on this site. When I first came to this site, I went through most of the lessons and was able to learn a lot about what type of techniques are or aren't advocated on this site by reading the lessons and books.
The people on this thread seem willing to answer questions related to the practice of Kundalini, however, in order to save yourself a lot of time and repetition, I suggest going over the lessons first and then you will have a better understanding of the types of meditation practices and or techniques that are approved of and practiced on this site.
I am also willing to share experiences with you anytime as well because I am really coming into a whole new way of seeing life as a result of following the practices on this site. If you ernestly practice this system as outlined in a sincere, relaxed, and modest manner; I am willing to bet that the universe will allow you the time you need to refine and grow from your practice no matter what age you are. At least this is what I see happening for me.
Hope my suggestions help.
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riptiz
United Kingdom
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Posted - Mar 11 2008 : 3:48:02 PM
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Hi Alvin,
Kundalini can be awakened instantly by shaktipat but as stated before this is only a starting point.Using other methods may or may not result in awakening of the shakti and may take many years.
Albert, KMY has all one needs to make swift progress as well as shaktipat.My sadguru was originally a high level tantric yogi before meeting his guru DhyanyogiMadhusudandasji and receiving shaktipat.He states that KMY is a faster and more efficient method on the path to enlightenment.
L&L
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Mar 12 2008 : 02:10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Nirodha
Hi TI,
You're welcome.
Kundalini seems to be always flowing within me now. I'm not sure how to describe it exactly: It's as if I have a belly full of pulsating joy throughout my day. When I meditate and reach Samadhi (meditative absorption) it will eventually migrate up my back and torso and be most prominently felt in my head.
In regards to bringing Kundalini up at will: That's not something I even think about, as I don't try to manipulate it at all. I just meditate sensitive to joy and pleasure (samadhi factors) and it arises on it's on.
Hi Nirodha,
But isn't performing the mulabandha (root lock) or most of the other exercises a form of indirectly manipulating the kundalini?
What I am trying to understand is this: If I do the root lock, I get heat rising up my spine and into my head. If I do kumbhaka, I get more heat. If I sneeze, I get heat in my head. If I laugh, my whole face gets hot. When I meditate, do spinal breathing or just slow my breath down, I get heat. What is going on here? Am I raising chi, a combination of prana/apana, psychic heat, or am I raising a little of the kundalini each time?
If Bhajan's article, he says that mixing of prana and apana cause psychic heat and that this heat can be used to awaken the kundalini. (is this chi, qi, etc?) So, now I'm thinking everyone is misinterpreting heat to be kundalini. How can this be? Are both the psychic heat and kundalini hot, so you can't tell the difference?
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selfonlypath
France
297 Posts |
Posted - Mar 12 2008 : 07:54:18 AM
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Hi TI,
I've just read the article you indicated at the beginning of your thread plus your last post to Nirodha.
You might find interesting to read the approach of two other lineages regarding your question:
http://www.eng.vedanta.ru/library/k...a_chakra.php
then gTummo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_yogas_of_Naropa
Both yogas (hindu type and tibetan type) imply that psychic heat is just one step that will be followed by much more difficult yogas (six yogas of Naropa) to reach enlightment so I feel it contradicts 3HO teachings:
http://www.whale.to/v/kundalini.html
Tibetan schools already consider gTummo a very difficult yoga to practice and mention it is very dangerous to practice such yoga without an authentic master so it is not that simple as 3HO says.
This video gives a glimpse of gTummo or psychic heat generation:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=_zBNHGWMju0
Hopes this helps you, Albert |
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Nirodha
New Zealand
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Posted - Mar 12 2008 : 08:54:07 AM
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Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
Hi Nirodha,
But isn't performing the mulabandha (root lock) or most of the other exercises a form of indirectly manipulating the kundalini?
TI
Hi TI,
I don't practice Hatha Yoga, so I can't answer your questions related to it. My vague understanding of Asanas, which come from Hatha Yoga, is that they're to used to teach poise, balance & strength. And, are practiced to improve the body's physical health and clear the mind in preparation for meditation.
Questions regarding life force and energy theories, as such chi, qi and prana, I can't answer either, as these aren't directly addressed within the framework I use - at least not to my knowledge. And, since it's working quite well for me, I don't explore outside of it much as I don't have a need to. 
I've experienced psychic heat related issues though; mild burning sensations; giving off an excess of body heat, etc.. However, since it just comes and goes of it's own accord, without causing me any major discomfort, I've not had a need to attempt to manipulate it. If I was having trouble with it though perhaps I might.
From my point of view, my Kundalini Awakening was just a byproduct, or fruit, of my diligently practicing the framework I adhere to, and frequently dwelling in Samadhi as a result of that. The framework I adhere to is called Nikayan Buddhism.
The word Nikayan refers to pre-sectarian Buddhism, as defined in the earliest Nikaya (Collection) portions of the Sutta Pitaka (Discourse Basket) of the Pali Canon. And, the Pali Canon is generally considered by scholars to be the oldest extant record of what the Buddha taught.
Nikayan Buddhism uses a lot of the same Suttas as classical Theravada Buddhism for it's doctrinal basis. However, the two differ greatly in their interpretation of these and in their points of view. Some of the major points of difference are:
1.) Nikayan rejects the emphasis on commentarial writings that classical Theravada relies so heavily upon for framing their interpretation of the Suttas. And, takes the Suttas at face value instead.
2.) It also rejects the classical Theravadin view that developing Vipassana (Insight or Intuitive Wisdom) is the primary mode of bringing the Noble Eightfold Path to fruition.
3.) Nikayan proposes that of the development of Samadhi, all the way to Nirodha-Samapatti (Cessation of Perception and Feeling), is the primary mode for fruition.
4.) It also views Vipassana as a byproduct, or fruit, of Samadhi. And, not as some separate practice strategy the way classical Theravada does.
Nikayan Buddhism doesn't address the issue of Kundalini directly, as the word appears to post-date the Buddha. However, some have proposed that it's addressed indirectly within the framework. Please review the following essay for more information on this issue:
Kundalini - Understanding the Charismatic Experience by Jhanananda
http://www.greatwesternvehicle.org/kundalini.htm
By the way, I'm not trying to convert you to Nikayan Buddhism. I'm merely explaining my background, and point of view, so that we can come to some mutual understanding. Also, there are a lot of parallels between Raja Yoga, of which some AYP lessons are based on, and Nikayan Buddhism. This being the main reason I'm here.
Kind regards 
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Mar 13 2008 : 01:23:41 AM
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Hi Nirohda
First off, please let me say. I am proud to be corresponding with you and I thank you for your essay! I tingled most of the way through it. Thank you!
The one concept that stood out for me was this one:
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Originally posted by Nirodha
From your essay:
"These case histories also reveal that the kundalini rises on its own in its fast mode once one enters the 4th stage of meditative absorption. Thus we have found it is completely unnecessary to "open" the chakras and "raise" the kundalini, as if they were separate functions from meditative absorption (jhana/samadhi). In fact to think one can do those things through willing them through practicing a cognitive meditation practice is completely erroneous thinking and only reveals a complete lack of understanding of the process of spiritual awakening.
My question is this: Is it possible that, even if chakras are unnecessary, by spending 1/2 hour on activating them through intense concentration and willpower, might this not produce the 4'th stage of meditative absorption?
I do recall, many years ago, when I made a tremendous effort by performing a levitation meditation every day for 1 hour for 30 days in a row, that consistently, after 20 minutes of intense concentration, my body would dissolve and there would appear an "upside-down waterfall" in the center of my neck rising upwards to the crown, pulling me upwards. I never did succeed in levitating, but I'm sure I hit samadhi consistently every day after 20 minutes.
With great respect
TI
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Mar 13 2008 : 01:57:09 AM
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Originally posted by selfonlypath
Hi TI,
I've just read the article you indicated at the beginning of your thread plus your last post to Nirodha.
You might find interesting to read the approach of two other lineages regarding your question:
http://www.eng.vedanta.ru/library/k...a_chakra.php
then gTummo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_yogas_of_Naropa
Both yogas (hindu type and tibetan type) imply that psychic heat is just one step that will be followed by much more difficult yogas (six yogas of Naropa) to reach enlightment so I feel it contradicts 3HO teachings:
http://www.whale.to/v/kundalini.html
Tibetan schools already consider gTummo a very difficult yoga to practice and mention it is very dangerous to practice such yoga without an authentic master so it is not that simple as 3HO says.
This video gives a glimpse of gTummo or psychic heat generation:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=_zBNHGWMju0
Hopes this helps you, Albert
Hi Albert,
Thank you very much for the links and information. You know, I've seen that same video on youtube before. At the time, I thought that it seemed like there was a lot of effort being put into generating heat. I guess I had envisioned someone just sitting there quietly, breathing quietly, steaming away, but I enjoyed watching the video again just the same.
The view that kundalini rises from the manipura chakra is unconventional. First time I hear of that view. It is certainly not the order of awakening chakras as described in the Translation of the B Gita by Yogananda. There are many different schools of thought out there. Kundalini is getting to be as popular as the Beatles! 
Yes, the 3H0 teachings seem to be oversimplified. One thing that intrigued me was Yogi Bhajan's statement about how yogis learned to store prana in their abdomens and live off of it. Today, I received a book that I had ordered called "Qigong Meditation - Small Circulation" by Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming. It is an excellent book which contains very clear and precise instructions on how to generate and store chi. I tried the reverse breathing for 5 minutes and for the first time in my life, the area below my navel got very hot. (I'm probably going to regret that because my face has been feeling burnt for the last two hours.. time to eat some yogurt..)
Perhaps this is the method that Yogi Bhajan speaks about but never elucidates?
Again, thanks for you input
TI
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Nirodha
New Zealand
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Posted - Mar 13 2008 : 09:25:23 AM
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Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
My question is this: Is it possible that, even if chakras are unnecessary, by spending 1/2 hour on activating them through intense concentration and willpower, might this not produce the 4'th stage of meditative absorption?
I do recall, many years ago, when I made a tremendous effort by performing a levitation meditation every day for 1 hour for 30 days in a row, that consistently, after 20 minutes of intense concentration, my body would dissolve and there would appear an "upside-down waterfall" in the center of my neck rising upwards to the crown, pulling me upwards. I never did succeed in levitating, but I'm sure I hit samadhi consistently every day after 20 minutes.
Hi TI,
You're welcome. And, I'm glad you're finding my input useful. While I can appreciate your pride in corresponding with me, it's really not necessary, as I'm just another person.
In my opinion, and from my experience, spending a half an hour intensely concentrating, and forcefully willing something to arise, will only result in anxiety and a tension headache in the short term. And, serious psychophysical problems in the long term, if one continues down such a course of action.
You may be using the word 'concentration' in a different manner than I do though. Perhaps what you are referring to is the act of maintaining relaxed attention to one's object of meditation.
Meditative Absorption, and it's associated phenomena (e.g. Chakra openings, Kundalini arisings, etc.), don't arise through some volitional act on the part of the yogi - at least not from my perspective. I've found that these things only arise when one relinquishes their mind and body to varying degrees. And, through this relinquishing, one can reach any stage of Samadhi they wish in due time.
Regarding your experience: Yes, it's sounds like Samadhi to me. And, I've also experienced such phenomena during meditation.
Being able to reach Samadhi within 20 minutes is indeed possible. And, I know of people that can reach it within 1 minute of sitting down to meditate - myself included.
If I recall correctly, in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras he divides Samadhi into three levels: Laya Samadhi, Savikalpa Samadhi and Nirvikalpa Samadhi.
However, in Nikayan Buddhism Samadhi is divided into eight levels: First Jhana, Second Jhana, Third Jhana and Fourth Jhana designate progressive levels of absorption in which one still has access to their physical senses. And, First Ayatana (Dimension or Plane), Second Ayatana, Third Ayatana and Fourth Ayatana designate progressive levels of absorption in which one's physical senses have been effaced.
Therefore, if you felt your body dissolve, I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that you reached the level of Ayatana.
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selfonlypath
France
297 Posts |
Posted - Mar 13 2008 : 4:05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
The view that kundalini rises from the manipura chakra is unconventional. First time I hear of that view. It is certainly not the order of awakening chakras as described in the Translation of the B Gita by Yogananda. There are many different schools of thought out there.
Hey TI,
You might find extra information on the beginning of this thread:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=3324
Also look on this excellent thread:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=2516
Albert
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Mar 14 2008 : 01:36:45 AM
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Originally posted by selfonlypath
You might find extra information on the beginning of this thread:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=3324
Also look on this excellent thread:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=2516
Albert
Hi Albert
Thanks for the excellent links. I believe I read them a while ago but rereading them with a little more experience is always a bonus.
I must admit, though, I'm not entirely clear on how kadak says to drip the white drop. Does that mean opening the crown chakra, melting it into white liquid light and then taking it down to the root through the sushumna?
I found this statement by kadak which really resonates with me:
"Because bliss opens the central channel, and AYP techniques are effective for bliss."
Bliss! As in religious bliss? Or bhakti? Or positive emotions? Love? Worship? Desire to be with God? Sending love to God? Opening the heart? Hmmm. 
Is bliss another way to drip the white drops?
TI
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selfonlypath
France
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Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 06:25:53 AM
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Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
I must admit, though, I'm not entirely clear on how kadak says to drip the white drop. Does that mean opening the crown chakra, melting it into white liquid light and then taking it down to the root through the sushumna?
Hello TI,
Look at this way: human vessel is made of 6 elements which are earth, water, fire, air, channels and drops. There are red drops, white drops and the indestructible drop.
P.S. Some system speak of 5 elements by regrouping channels and drop inside the element space.
Before engaging in white drop dripping which is dangerous and corresponds to dissolving the winds into CC through crown chakra gate, tummo requires first to fire up red drops via dissolving the winds into CC through navel chakra gate. Then inner heat or psychic heat generated in navel will go up and make drip white drops from crown chakra to amp-up the process.
Please note that 3HO does precisely this at the beginning: drawing apana and prana at navel chakra is equivalent to start tibetan tummo yoga but after, 3HO dangerously diverges from full tummo practice.
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I found this statement by kadak which really resonates with me:
"Because bliss opens the central channel, and AYP techniques are effective for bliss."
Yes Bliss is important for this but always remember what authentic lama mention: cut attachment to bliss.
Albert |
Edited by - selfonlypath on Mar 15 2008 11:17:24 AM |
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threearrows
USA
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Posted - Dec 20 2010 : 09:49:31 AM
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I would really appreciate some help in understanding the article that was linked to in the original post.
Has anyone tried this method? Or could someone please at least clarify it a little? The article is not entirely clear, and the method of which he (seems) to be speaking isn't even really described entirely, or seems to be at odds with itself:
At first he seems to make it clear:
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1. Mulbandh brings apana, eliminating force, to the navel or fourth vertebra, the central seat of the Kundalini.
2. Diaphragm lock takes it up to the neck.
3. Neck lock takes it up all the rest of the way.
Sounds simple enough, but after that things get convoluted:
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All it is, is creating the prana in that cavity, and mixing it with apana, and taking it down (as we give pressure to the oil), and bringing the oil up is Kundalini.
The first quote seems to imply raising, but here -- you first mix and then take it down?
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We know certain actions through which we inhale with this pranic energy, and when we inhale with this pranic energy, our pranic centre gets awakened.
Does anyone know of which actions he speaks?
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[...] We call it "U" muscle, because it is shaped like the letter "U" and this "U" muscle [...] This is what they do. They make the cavity active with certain exercises; and thus, they know how to control the pranic energy or prana-vayu, the life current. That’s one part of it.
Again, does anyone have an idea what these are?
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The second is apana, which eliminates everything. It is where the Kundalini power lives. Now, when the pranic energy is in you, then the second part is that you can circulate it through your body. You can feel it and make people feel it; we teach people how to do it. It is a scientific thing that has got nothing to do with mystics, or something which I can’t explain. It is so simple, it is practical, and so we circulate it.
Circulate it how?
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In the circulation we time it to go with the spinal cord. Then we make it hit the Muladhara. Thus we pierce through that bind or blockage before the Kundalini power. The moment we do it, she has no option but to come up, and the moment she comes up, you stand blessed.
So the first time he implied you raise the energy, the second time that you lower the energy from the navel then raise it, the third time it sounds like you just blast a hole through your root and let her take you. It's not clear which one of these is the core method.
So can anyone help out here and clarify? I'd at least like to know what he's talking about.
Thanks,
James |
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