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selfonlypath
France
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Posted - Feb 17 2008 : 02:05:24 AM
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Hi,
I'm still hesitating to practice AYP 13 for different personal reasons and was wondering if it is possible to replace the inner mantra part by just gazing a candle. I mean, the rest of this lesson would remained totally inchanged (i.e. observing the mind loosing the focus on the candle then reconnect).
In fact, the candle method I'm interested is a bit shamanic: setting a triangle with 3 candles (2 white and 1 purple) where I would sit inside the triangle and gaze the pruple one.
P.S. I was not sure were to post this question so please move it to the appropriate area ?
Albert |
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selfonlypath
France
297 Posts |
Posted - Mar 14 2008 : 12:38:22 AM
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Hi,
Is it possible to use another mantra than I AM to practice successfully this meditation ?
Thank you, Albert |
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LittleTurtle
USA
342 Posts |
Posted - Mar 14 2008 : 2:23:39 PM
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If you feel drawn to candle gazing (tratak) instead of mantra, I say go for it. Tratak is a very good method, and especially powerful for some folks (myself included). Although Yogani teaches AYP using certain methods and in a particular order according to how the individual is progressing, it is an open system and if I read Yogani correctly the whole point is to be your own guru, use methods that work and stick with it, self pacing all the way. |
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Mar 14 2008 : 10:08:18 PM
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Hi Albert, Have you tried the AYP deep meditation as described in lesson 13? If not, maybe worth giving it a try. In lesson Lesson 21 - Meditation Q&A – Objects of meditation Yogani says:
quote: What is the difference between meditating with our technique using a mantra, versus using chakras (energy centers in the body), a religious icon or other physical objects? Again, it is a matter of simplicity and efficiency. The goal is to bring the attention beyond the thinking process, and, in doing so, take the attention beyond outer sensory experience. The mind is the neurological process in us that links consciousness with the outer world. It is a very intimate connection. Our attention, engaged in the dynamics of the mind, is always an inch away from experiencing the divine bliss of pure consciousness. When the mind is allowed to come to rest, we are there. So we begin with the mind, the most intimate connection to bliss consciousness we have. We begin inside, so we can quickly and easily go deeply inside. If we were to begin with a physical location in the body or a physical object, we could still go deep. No question about it. But it is a longer journey, a more complicated journey. The further outside we are when we start, the more physical, intellectual and emotional baggage we have to shed on the way in. This is also why we do not verbally utter the mantra during meditation, or give any attention to meanings while meditating. It is an inner process right from the start. By beginning meditation with a thought, using the specific procedure, we bypass external obstacles in the nervous system that can bind our attention. Ultimately we dissolve them naturally from the inside going out, rather than trying to dissolve them from the outside going in, which is not easy.
We begin with a thought, not focusing on any meaning, just picking up the repetition of the thought of the mantra's sound easily, on the edge of letting go. We let the mantra go its own way naturally to less and less – this is the simplest and most efficient way to dive into the infinite sea of bliss consciousness within us. Having done so repeatedly, we come back out after twenty minutes soaked with peace and bliss, achieving much purification during the process.
In time, the distance between consciousness and outside experiences evaporates as the obstructions become less and less. There was really no distance at all! Then it becomes natural to experience many shades of bliss consciousness while gazing upon chakras, religious icons, our loved ones, beautiful landscapes, scriptures, or even a book on theoretical physics. When bliss consciousness has arisen, everything is seen in terms of that. But this is not the procedure of meditation. This is enjoying the fruit of meditation – living life with an increasing appreciation of its many gifts. The rise of this appreciation inspires us all the more to carry on with our practice.
And to answer your second question... in Lesson 59 - Q&A – Some mantra particulars Yogani says:
quote: The I AM mantra is similar to OM, but not exactly the same, so the effects are somewhat different. I AM has both linear and circular qualities contained within it, while OM is circular. "I" is the linear quality in I AM. "AM" is the circular quality in I AM. So you can see I AM has something extra. What is that something extra? It is a polarity. OM is well known to be the sound of kundalini moving through the body, the nervous system becoming enlivened as sexual essences circulate higher up and a new biology emerges. Many can hear it. OM is the sound of Mother Nature in us, and she is ecstatic bliss. Ahhh…
OM is mother. But where is father? As we become enlightened, a divine romance occurs in us, a joining. In the I AM mantra, "I" is the father vibration, and "AM" is the mother vibration. Recall that yoga means "to join." This happens on many levels in many ways. In meditation, we are refining the vibrations of the mantra every day to stillness, to silence, to pure bliss consciousness, over and over again. Using I AM as mantra, we are cultivating pure bliss consciousness fully through the nervous system, permeating the natural polarity that exists within us. We are enlivening both divine masculine and divine feminine qualities within us at the same time. This has a direct relationship to the dynamics in the spinal nerve, and to the dynamics of kundalini. More on that later. The thing to understand here is that I AM has some special characteristics. This may sound theoretical, but it becomes very experiential in time. As your experience advances, you will find that the vibrational quality of the mantra has a direct correspondence with inner ecstatic experiences that constitute a consummation of polarities going on in the nervous system. It is a complex, but automatic, process we stimulate with our daily practice.
Hope these help.
Like LT said above, you are welcome to try what you feel comfortable with. Wish you all the best. |
Edited by - Shanti on Mar 14 2008 10:18:03 PM |
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Guy_51
USA
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Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 12:13:22 AM
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Dear Shanti:
Thanks for taking the time to point out these lessons. You have a wonderful sense of timing. Guy
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selfonlypath
France
297 Posts |
Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 02:48:43 AM
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Dear Shanti,
I did read a few weeks lessons 1 through 38 but did not fully grasp what you've just clarified which i thank you so much. After, I did tried a bit I AM mantra then tried tratak but spirit told me to stop and rather focus on another mantra used through AYP 13 meditation.
Your explanation about mantra design and embedded information is really connected to quechua shamanism views of crossing the two energies to create consciousness.
Do you think using another mantra with two syllables will be compatible with AYP 13 medidation. I mean, OM mantra is one syllable, I AM mantra has two syllables to charge father-mather polarities. Spirit is whispering me a two syllables shamanic mantra i received 4 years ago but when writing this mantra, it is only one word hence no space between the two syllables whereas writing I AM is via writing two words with a space between.
Namaste, Albert
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Shanti
USA
4854 Posts |
Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 08:23:41 AM
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quote: Originally posted by selfonlypath
Do you think using another mantra with two syllables will be compatible with AYP 13 medidation. I mean, OM mantra is one syllable, I AM mantra has two syllables to charge father-mather polarities. Spirit is whispering me a two syllables shamanic mantra i received 4 years ago but when writing this mantra, it is only one word hence no space between the two syllables whereas writing I AM is via writing two words with a space between.
Hi Albert, I am not very good at analyzing the vibration of mantras etc. In AYP, we suggest I AM because Yogani has done a lot of work with it and has found it to be the safest and most effective mantra to get started with. In Lesson 188 - Q&A – Mantra Design 101 Yogani says: quote: Mantra syllables are like tuning forks in the nervous system. Each vibration resonates in a different part of our inner circuitry. This is true with or without ecstatic conductivity previously awakened. The difference is that, when the nervous system is ecstatically awakened, the effects become experiential, and can be observed in the body. The effects are experienced with the inner senses and have an ecstatic overtone. The resonating effect of a syllable deep in the silence of the mind loosens obstructions in a particular way unique to that syllable. With that experience-based feedback, and knowing the most effective and safest order of awakening the nervous system, especially the spinal nerve, the mantras can be suitably assembled. Let's get more specific.
I AM (by any spelling) resonates in the full length of the spinal nerve from the third eye to the root.
This has not been said before in the lessons. It has only been hinted at. It has not been mentioned because I don't want to encourage anyone to think the mantra in any particular location in the body. The mantra resonates naturally with the particular part of the nervous system it is attuned to. We don't have to help it by directing it here or there. In fact, we can interfere with the natural resonance by doing that. So, don't locate the mantra, okay? Just pick it up easily and effortlessly wherever it may be, as always, and let it refine. If I AM is coming up in the feet, or anywhere else, it will resonate from the third eye to the root. Just as a tuning fork will vibrate the corresponding string of an instrument if brought anywhere in the vicinity.
Having said that, now you can do an experiment and observe if you want. If you think the sound "I," maybe you can feel the subtle neurology in the head reaching out through the center of the brow. If not, no matter. That is where it naturally vibrates. No need to help it or feel it. That is where it is. Now, if you think the sound "AM," maybe you can feel it going naturally down through the center of the body. If not, well, no matter. When ecstatic conductivity comes up you will. Feeling it has no bearing on the effectiveness of the mantra. Feeling it is only a symptom of the degree of purification we have in the nervous system, and the degree of ecstatic conductivity (kundalini) we have coming up. It will come to all of us as we continue with daily practices. When we do feel the mantra ecstatically like that, and notice our attention off in thoughts about the sensation, location in the body, etc., we treat it like any other experience that comes up in meditation and easily go back to the mantra. Nothing changes in the procedure of meditation. Only the experiences change to become more ecstatic and divine, so we have to be mindful not to get preoccupied with them during meditation and our other practices.
As has been said in earlier lessons, I AM is a "dual pole" mantra. The resonance of it in the spinal nerve is the reason why. "I" is the shiva component, and "AM" is the shakti component. With this mantra we are bringing the mind to stillness in such a way so as to purify the full length of the spinal nerve. By using a mantra that resonates between the third eye and the root, we are following the safest and most balanced path of awakening, just as we do in spinal breathing pranayama. The two practices are parallel methods, both working to purify the spinal nerve on their respective levels in the nervous system. Both practices, done in sequence (spinal breathing and then meditation), awaken and stabilize our ecstatic energies and inner silence. Together, these emanate out naturally from the spinal nerve.
In AYP, we do not tell people what to do, we just make suggestions and let your inner guru be your guide. Wish you all the best. May you find what you are looking for. |
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Sparkle
Ireland
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Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 10:49:53 AM
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Just to expand a little on what Shanti has said through Yogani's words. In using the I AM which automatically operating from root to brow, it corresponds with the spinal breathing pranayama which also goes from root to brow.
There is a very good reason for this, it is safety. It means the practitioner is keeping the energy away from the crown. It has been found that premature crown opening can cause a lot of problems once the kundalini has started. In fact unregulated practice through the crown is probably the reason why so many people go from dramatic highs to dramatic lows even without the kundalini. There is a common belief out there that pain is a natural consequence of spiritual growth. This belief has come about most probably through people working with the crown.
So no matter what system you adopt, please bear these things in mind and don't forget to self-pace http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=2139
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