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Originally posted by Anthem11

Really nice and insightful posts Kirtanman, thanks for them.

I especially like this great reminder:

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Realization is not a state, nor is it an experience; it is what we are.

Our sense of this, prior to Realization, is essentially inverted ... we truly feel like we're body-minds, tasting eternal spirit.

We're actually eternal spirit, tasting these body-minds.

REALLY.

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Also, wanted to mention that because of your posts and passion for "Kirtan" which I had never heard of prior to you, I listened to the whole thing and really liked it, thanks for the link.

All the best,

A

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Originally posted by ajna

Hi Kirtanman

Thanks very much for sharing your Samadhi experiences (or non-experiences ). In this context many advaita guys like Nisargadatta, Robert Adams etc. have claimed that nothing ever happened and nothing exists. Did you get a glimpse of the secret of why so many life/non-life forms seem to exist or not exist

Thanks

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Originally posted by ajna

Hi Kirtanman

Thanks very much for sharing your Samadhi experiences (or non-experiences ). In this context many advaita guys like Nisargadatta, Robert Adams etc. have claimed that nothing ever happened and nothing exists. Did you get a glimpse of the secret of why so many life/non-life forms seem to exist or not exist

Thanks

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Speaking of non-duality and non-experience...I decided to check out a Jnana Yoga/Advaita group at a yoga center, and went for my first session yesterday with great anticipation. The address, date, and time were listed very clearly online. When I arrived, the good people at the desk had no idea what I was talking about, had never heard of the class, and were unfamiliar with the instructor. Pretty advanced stuff, these non-teachings.

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Originally posted by Balance

Now THAT's funny!

So, did the so-called you enjoy the so-called event? Too bad you weren't there to not remember nothing.

It appears by the email that you did attend the class. Perhaps the imagined you aced THAT one.

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Basically I can, during meditation, or during the day, enter a state of mental absorbtion where I am merged with silence. It is incredibly peaceful and there is either no thought at all, or thoughts appear to happen in the distance and have very little to do with me. Everything is immediately present in a very powerful way. There is a wonderful acceptance of everytghing as it is, which could be called a form of love, but compared to the love that I want to talk about, it is really more of a sence of holding and accepting everything as it is.
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Hi Christi,

This paragraph you wrote nicely describes a space I experience often as well, but I wonder why bother defining it? There it is, it happens, enjoy it and then whatever happens next enjoy that too. The truth is, I never know when it is going to come next and more accurately, I never know what is going to come next either. For a while it was happening at the end of the days but then it changes and there is something new which if you look carefully is equally wonderful too. To me, labelling or trying to bring about a particular state is a grasping or an attempt to attach which only leads to suffering, however mild when it is gone. Stillness is in perpetual motion, flow with it and enjoy the next thing life is trying to show you.

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This occurs here too a gentle and pervading love that is incredibly tender in its embrace of others. Too be honest, I pretty much avoid putting any names and labels on to any of these states. I have to admit to glossing over all the technical definitions to Samadhi etc. and couldn't tell you which was which or what it really is. To me, it is an attempt to say "oh I am here now" and achieved such and such a state and only serves to pigeon hole and limit us. Let go and dare not to know.

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Hi Christi,

Yes, pretty much all of it resonates. I've had pretty much every experience you describe, including that "blissful yet cold" sense, yet knowing I was in a very high, conscious and unified state.

In my experience, it's almost like ecstatic love "rose up to meet" that other state (the "connected and blissful yet somewhat superficial") ... and the two integrated into one, and that one was, and is ... HOME.

The infinitely-more-real than I ever dreamed possible Love that I experience now is both FAR more vast and powerful, yet far less sentimental and emotional and attached than even my most refined and conscious experiences of love were, before (I had the experience / realization / resolution of experiences).

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And please know: I'm not attempting to say that I'm "beyond" where you are; I don't have a sense that that's a knowable, or pertinent thing ... I'm simply describing what it has been like, and is, for me.

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Even now, tears of gratitude spring unbidden to my eyes, as I write this.

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Ultimately, all we have to bring to the table is sincerity. Adyashanti call it "earnestness". Adya's teacher (Arvis Justi) said, "Only the phonies don't get enlightened."

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Though there is no object of touch, when you go deep in Samadhi, you can feel some sensations of touch, you can hear some sound or you can see some light. Though there is no thought, the experience is also considered as thought and these experiences continue till there is “shoonyatha” or nothingness.

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The purpose of Samadhi is not just Samadhi itself but “adhyatma prasada”, which means spiritual awakening or spiritual grace. Samadhi is one of the means to attain the grace of spirituality.

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Hi ajna
I liked the article from your link, two bits as follows:

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Though there is no object of touch, when you go deep in Samadhi, you can feel some sensations of touch, you can hear some sound or you can see some light. Though there is no thought, the experience is also considered as thought and these experiences continue till there is “shoonyatha” or nothingness.

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The purpose of Samadhi is not just Samadhi itself but “adhyatma prasada”, which means spiritual awakening or spiritual grace. Samadhi is one of the means to attain the grace of spirituality.

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Cheers
Louis

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Hi Kirtanman and all,

I just read your non-experiences Kirtanman and your description sound really inspiring. It resounds true somehow, like home. Thank you so much.

I am new at this. I always searched for the truth although kind of non-deliberately until very recently. I was just "curious and adventurous" let's say

But now I wonder. I do want to feel Samadhi and I think that is something I will someday (I practice AYP) but I wonder about one thing that scares me a bit: ecstatic conductivity. I read the problems people have with this "kundalini" thing and it sounds really scary especially because I think I am kind of sensitive and had some energy imbalances/profound experiences in the past (but not really beautiful, just scary and really troubling...a mind thing or real energy imbalances?) and am a little scared at getting energy imbalances again or feeling something I am (my body) still not prepared for. That is why I take self-pacing very seriously and am just concentrating in I AM meditation for now, with some very good results.

But I wonder about you. It seems you had not those kind of problems. Why do you think that is? I am trying to find a balance to get the right ammount of desire versus self-pacing not to hit my head against a wall again. So, any advice would be welcome. Should we just trust our inner instinct (guru)? What would be your guidelines? For example, would meditation be enough? (sometimes I feel like it would) Thank you so much.

Of course, comments from anybody else are appreciated as well!!

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