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Kirtanman

USA
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Posted - Feb 01 2007 :  6:01:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit Kirtanman's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/natio...025000c.html

The link shown above connects to an interesting article from the Mainchi Daily News in Japan, about the intensity differences in orgasms, neurophysiologically, between men and women.

It turns out that women's orgasms are approximately 10x (ten - t-e-n times) more intense than men's.

And, of course, they can also be multiple, as well.

So, should the guys just feel bad? Not exactly -- the guys should simply engage in AYP practices, including Tantra (per Kirtanman, not per the article -- though the day is coming <-- pun most fully intended -- when similar articles will very likely contain such suggestions! )

Because (speaking from experience, as well as previous forum discussions - AYP practices really, really do make a vast difference in a person's (of either gender) capacity for ecstasy -- and in the ability of men to have multiple, ultra-powerful, full-body orgasms, without the energetic depletion of ejaculation (or the physiological "waiting period" until orgasm is possible again, which follows ejaculation).

The main reason I found this article interesting, is that in a kinda-sorta scientific way, it explains why all of this is so (including - albeit indirectly - why AYP practices can help facilitate the above-stated results).

The physiological processes of orgasm are closely tied to the hypothalamus (one of the three "enlightenment gateways" of the brain, on the physical plane, along with the pineal gland and pituitary gland, according to esoteric teachings throughout history) - and when orgasm occurs, theta waves increase throughout the brain (much more powerfully and comprehensively for women, normally, per the article) - which carries an attendant surge in dopamine, one of the primary brain-related chemicals associated with heightened pleasure and ecstasy.

All of this (per the paragraph above) is tied to the development of the prefrontal cortex - the greater the development of the prefrontal cortex, the greater the capacity for pleasure / ecstasy.

Without addressing the above-stated aspect, scientific research has verified, on numerous occasions, that advanced yogic practitioners do have greater development in their prefrontal cortex than the average person -- and -- that meditation and yoga practices (primarily "internal" practices, such as pranayama / spinal breathing) literally increase the size and development of the prefrontal cortex.

No kidding.

Engaging in any repeated activity, over time (months, years) - within certain categories (i.e. playing a musical instrument, participating in "talk therapy" with a counselor, memorizing a wide variety of driving routes, in the case of taxi drivers, etc.) creates a phenomenon known as neuroplasticity.

The term "neuroplasticity" is modern science's way of saying that our thoughts and actions literally contribute to the very structure / configuration our physical systems, and our overall neurophysiology (these changes in brain physiology obviously have very far-reaching effects - including effects on the chemistry and processes of the entire rest of the body / organism - including subtle ... and of course "not so subtle" ... aspects of an individual's behavior, in any and every area of life (work, play, love, war, career, relationships, health, longevity, you name it!)

Example:
Let's say a person suffers from clinical depression, which has been scientifically proven to have negative effects on other areas of health (a depressed person is several times more likely to develop heart disease than a non-depressed person, for instance). Then say that this person takes up anti-depressant related activities (exercise, AYP, meditation, Tantra, etc.), and/or begins taking anti-depressant medication.

Within a few months to a few years, they will literally change the physical construction of their brain, and its neurochemistry - which in turn will literally change the rest of their physical body ... in ways that can potentially have vast positive impacts on their life, their health - and in their relationships with the people and world around them (i.e. they may live longer, continue relationships happily which might otherwise end uncomfortably, have a much higher quality of life, no longer being depressed, have the confidence to fulfill their potential and/or dreams in terms of career, relationships, spirituality - and on and on).

ALL BECAUSE YOGA HAS PROVEN, AND SCIENCE NOW VERIFIES, THAT POSITIVELY CHANGING THE PHYSICAL / NEUROCHEMICAL STRUCTURE OF OUR BRAINS IS WITHIN OUR CONSCIOUS CONTROL AND CAPABILITY - IN THE SAME MANNER, AND USING THE SAME PRINCIPLES, WHICH ALLOW US TO IMPROVE OUR PHYSICAL HEALTH BY EXERCISING AND EATING HEALTHY DIET.

And apologies if anyone takes issue with the "all caps" paragraph, but to me - this is life-changing, world-changing and potentially history-changing, world-saving stuff -- and therefore, critically important (and exciting!) enough to really emphasize!

And, as hard as it may be for some people reading this to believe:

"Kirtanman is not making this up!"



For instance, for more on neuroplasticity, please see the special Mind-Brain Issue of TIME magazine, which just hit the news stands a couple of weeks ago (it's well worth getting; it also has some cool, yoga-validating info on the nature of consciousness and the (illusory, ego-based) self (<-- as in: there isn't one ), as well.)

Circling back to the orgasm-related article, it also points out that the level of energy which courses through a woman's brain when she orgasms, is so powerful, that it could literally kill a man.

This may be slightly sensationalized (or not; don't know) - but it sure might send "said man" to engage in some serious self-pacing for a few days / weeks / months! In fact, it (the "woman's orgasm power could kill a man by frying his brain" hypothesis) sounds a lot like the warning Yogananda issued way back in Autobiography of a Yogi, and which has been echoed by yogic teachers (including Yogani) and practitioners since that time: that it's probably not a good idea at all to try to run fifty thousand watts of power through a fifty watt light bulb.

If the light bulb lives, it will be self-pacing for a long time, and/or very unhappy, and/or living through a kundalini "healing crisis" of Gopi Krishna proportions.

So, it's therefore essential to increase the capacity of the brain and body to be able to experience those vastly higher degrees of energy, power, and neurophysiogical processes -- which is where AYP comes in; that's exactly what AYP offers all of us -- including the "added benefit" of being able to increase these capacities (and ecstatic experiences, and neurochemical health) relatively smoothly.

I've experienced this in my own practice; both my capacity and my experience of ecstasy (sexually, yogically and "regular-life-ically" ) has increased more in the last year than A. I had ever imagined it would, or could, and B. Than I could even remotely conceive was possible for anyone or anything.



And AYP has been a very, very major contributing factor - it's tough to quantify, but in conjunction with my own bhakti, and the handful of practice-related activities (i.e. kirtan) which I carried over from my "Pre-AYP" days - I might go as far as to say that AYP has been the primary factor in enabling, allowing and to a large extent, creating this evolution, in my body-mind system.

So - "And in Conclusion" ...



(And yes, I know this is a long post - but sharing this content and perspective felt both appropriate and worthwhile.)

... if men would like to be able to experience these same types of "10x" orgasms that women can experience (and if women who don't have ultra-powerful orgasms would like to do the same) - do AYP practices, daily.

"Thank You, and Good-Night!"



Peace & Namaste,

Kirtanman

PS - Obviously, those of us who have experienced the types of ecstasy (and who do experience it on a regular basis - and who find it ever-increasing ... <-- yes, really!) and closely-connected inner peace and silence ... and who have experienced the vast improvement in our quality of life (including spiritually) -- want to share this (AYP) with the world. Understanding and being able to articulate the valid science which supports these claims can go a long way toward helping both the scientific communities and the general public, to become intrigued enough to give AYP (or a similar path / set of practices) a sincere try. That's why I find this type of information exciting, and important to both understand and communicate.

PPS - If interested in further info, please check out:

Martin Wuttke / Kriya-Pranayama Based EEG Feedback Therapy
www.neurotherapy.us

Jana Dixon / The Biology of Kundalini
www.biologyofkundalini.com

Bruce Lipton / The Biology of Belief
www.brucelipton.com

david_obsidian

USA
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Posted - Feb 01 2007 :  6:21:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Kirtanman said:
It turns out that women's orgasms are approximately 10x (ten - t-e-n times) more intense than men's.


It's no wonder they make so much noise.
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david_obsidian

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Posted - Feb 01 2007 :  9:31:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
It seems that Greek legend got it right. Tiresias, who spent time as both a man and a woman confirmed for Zeus that the woman had more pleasure during sex, and said that the woman's pleasure was NINE times that of the man.

So, within experimental error, modern science and greek legend are in accord.

BTW, Hera, Zeus's wife, struck Tiresias blind for letting Zeus in on the secret. Zeus, who couldn't reverse the physical blindness, gave Tiresias the gift of inner vision in recompense, and Tiresias became a great sage whose wisdom was called upon through the ages.

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Kirtanman

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Posted - Feb 02 2007 :  03:40:58 AM  Show Profile  Visit Kirtanman's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by david_obsidian

Kirtanman said:
It turns out that women's orgasms are approximately 10x (ten - t-e-n times) more intense than men's.


It's no wonder they make so much noise.




(Laughing)

I know, huh? All that thrashing around, and what-not, as well; that article actually cleared up a lot of things ... including those post-coital "orgasmier than thou" smirks we've (men) all gotten.

Well, thanks to AYP Tantra, it's a whole new ballsgame now!

:o)

;-)

Seriously, though: most coitus-dissappointus scenarios arise (or, rather, don't ...) due to early ejaculatory orgasm on, or make that from ... the man's part (and connected recovery time)- and inability to sustain / retain erection in general, for more than a fairly short period of time (Half hour? Something like that.)

Early-to-Intermediate Tantra Training covers techniques for addressing both of these issues - the resolution of which allows men to "turn the tables" a bit (in terms of sexual endurance), in ways that are "great fun for all involved".

Statistically, the average couple's intercourse session lasts seven minutes; Tantra can easily help that to become seven hours - or more.

No kidding.

Well-known Tantric spokesperson, Sting, claimed having a recent eight hour session, on Oprah.

Huh?

NO ... no .... Sting appeared on Oprah's show, and was talking about Tantric sex with his own wife, she was also on Oprah -- er, on Oprah's Television Program, that is.

Oprah was skeptical, but both Sting and Traci (Sting's wife) supported the claim to highly erotic, eight hour lovemaking sessions, with "possibly one or two short breaks for the loo".

With that qualifier, I can say I've done the same - though what surprised me the most, was the ability to remain physically (sexually) connected with no "interruptus" of any kind, nor any related needs for a break - for almost six hours.

Six hours is a long f***ing time, let me tell ya!

The extended "session times" made possible by Tantra are great on several levels: cultivation and preservation of life energy; happy amazement on the parts (and in the hearts ) of both partners - at being able to make love for what used to be thought of as a long time, and (quite important, actually) the ability to enter altered states of deep, ultra-intimate connection with your partner, and s/he with you - and all of life (and which states can be facilitated by sharing Amrita / Nectar (if at least one partner can produce it, of course) by deep kissing, as well as the Yoni-emanated female Amrita (which the West seems to be more familiar with, and which is quite energetically potent in its own right - though not as much so as "brain nectar", in my experience).

It's kind of like when Viagra first came out, and they interviewed Hugh Hefner, who joyously exclaimed, "It's twoo! It's twoo!"

(Like Tweety Bird, only with a huge, wide ...... grin!)

(True story though - Hefner did quote Tweety, in praise of Viagra.)

We Tantrikas (male or female) can feel a bit like this, too - either now, or soon, via a bit of practice. However, if we just crow with amazement about the longevity gains, and miss out on the mutual energetic cultivation and mutual ultra-deep intimacy -- we've missed a good 90% of the real reasons for integrating Tantra sexual practices into our lives and sadhana.

Peace & Namaste,

Kirtanman

PS - For anyone who saw Sting on Oprah (early 2004, I think) - you may ask, "Can Tantra really get to levels that are that good?"

My answer? "No, it can't."

"Tantra can get to levels far beyond what Sting discussed on Oprah. Far beyond."

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