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th1996
Germany
37 Posts |
 Posted - Aug 16 2024 : 4:46:47 PM
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Hello guys,
I want to be like John Wilder and make the same contribution to humanity (of course I know it is fiction). Since I have read this novel I want to be like John. He is my ideal, my ishta. And I really think I have the potential inside me to be like him...everyone has the potential!! My bhakti gets very intense after reading about him...and I would love to add every practise immediately 
My question is: John has stopped with breath retention for some time because of self pacing. And in this phase he thought he need breath retention in some form for fast spiritual progress. Only after finding spinal breathing he was able to add breath retention in a stronger form. There is the quote in the book where it is said that now after fully being able to practise he is able to embrace his divine mission again. So, I ask myself if we really want to fulfil our divine mission do we need some form of breath retention (Kumbhaka)?
I don't practise kumbhaka because of self pacing reasoning. Should I add some form of breath retention? Can it be that more is more? Because in AYP we say less is more, but can be more more? When in me is the purpose of fast spiritual progress can it be that I find more stability when I practise more? Because I am instabil right now...and I have testet to practise less, like only deep meditation 10 minutes. I have tried it four days, but daily life was getting worser. After adding spinal breathing and samyama again I felt much better. Much more dynamic.
So, I want to make the optimum spiritual progress in my life and for this I need the perfect balance. Not practising too much and not practising too less. When I practise less it is like my inner guru says to me: Come on, this is too less!!!
But on the other hand I don't experience lots of ecstasy in daily life. This makes my life boring. The contrast of the ecstasy between daily practise and daily life leads to that I find life boring. I miss it to not experiencing daily life like I do experience my daily practise...
Can it be an overload not experiencing ecstasy in daily life? Or is it a sign that I practise too less?
My concern is that I don't go as fast as I could, and that this is the reason I feel miserable/the differences between my daily practise and daily life. Can this be a reason? Or is it more likely that an overload is playing the role? Or do I just need more time and don't think about it so much?
Because I have some stability in life with my current level of practise. But there is less joy in my life. Less happiness. I can do my life but I can't enjoy it. No ecstatic bliss. But in the practises there is mostly soooo much ecstatic bliss, I really ask myself why it don't show up in daily life...
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 16 2024 : 9:14:14 PM
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Hi th1996,
Spinal Breathing can help to balance the energies between the lower and higher centres in the body. This is mentioned in lesson 69. So, if someone is experiencing energetic overload and they do not have a Spinal Breathing practice, then adding one can help in some cases. So, more can be more!
Lesson 69 also mentions increasing the rest period at the end of practices and adding grounding practices. So again, more additions can be helpful.
It is good to keep an eye on things though. Some people do not benefit by adding Spinal Breathing to aid overload and these people then have to cut back.
It is not necessary to include breath retentions as part of your daily practice. Breath retentions are powerful and should only be added by people who feel ready to take them on and have already been stable with their practice for some time. Some time means weeks or months. If someone takes on breath retentions too soon, usually they will find out fairly quickly and can back off. Breath retentions are amongst the most powerful pranayama methods along with bhastrika. So, they should not be rushed into, especially if not stable already. |
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Aug 17 2024 : 01:43:46 AM
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I agree with Christi on kumbacka and bhastrika, these are powerful practices and should not be used by a sensitive meditator. Once you are stable months at 20 minutes DM, then maybe consider them in small doses.
On a personal note, I find lying prone in rest at the conclusion of practice with my third eye touching the floor/earth a terrific way to ground after stirring up prana from practices. Samyama is still echoing in the body and there is a felt sense of calmness and radience.
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Because I have some stability in life with my current level of practise. But there is less joy in my life. Less happiness. I can do my life but I can?t enjoy it. No ecstatic bliss. But in the practises there is mostly soooo much ecstatic bliss, I really ask myself why it don?t show up in daily life...
While you are prone, with your eye on the floor and filled with silence, this might be a good time to inquire about these feelings, and drop it into the silence like a sutra. What sparks joy in you? How can you get there from here? Bliss and ecstasy thrive in stillness. How can you find more stillness in and outside of practice? Should you wait for joy or try to cultivate it when we engage with others, and find agency in our actions and activities.
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th1996
Germany
37 Posts |
Posted - Aug 17 2024 : 09:08:35 AM
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Thank u for ur answers.
@Christi I have one more question...is it possible that I am not good self paced and so I don't experience ecstatic bliss in daily life? in other words: Can wrong self pacing steal our fruits of the practises in daily life?
@Dogboy Thank u for your questions. I ask them very often...I get Joy from practising, reading and talking about AYP and giving it away to others...but in other things I don't find Joy. I can't find hobbys like other people. I only interest in making spiritual progress and helping others to do the same. But on the other side I know that life itself is ecstatic bliss, so everything can give some joy, can't it? So, maybe it's a self pacing problem... |
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Christi
United Kingdom
4512 Posts |
Posted - Aug 17 2024 : 10:40:51 AM
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answers.
@Christi I have one more question...is it possible that I am not good self paced and so I don?t experience ecstatic bliss in daily life? in other words: Can wrong self pacing steal our fruits of the practises in daily life?
Hi th1996,
Yes, poor self-pacing can hinder a practitioner on the path. This can work in both directions. If someone needs to reduce practices and they do not, this can slow progress over the long run. And if someone could benefit from increasing their practices and they do not, this could also hinder long-term progress.
However, lack of joy in life, bliss, love and so on, are not necessarily indicators of poor self-pacing. It could simply be that there are a lot of spiritual blockages in the subtle nervous system (heart/ mind) that need to be removed. And this can take time. So, cultivating patience and settling-in for the long ride, can be the best way to proceed. |
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Blanche
USA
873 Posts |
Posted - Aug 24 2024 : 2:16:18 PM
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Originally posted by th1996
Hello guys,
I want to be like John Wilder and make the same contribution to humanity (of course I know it is fiction). Since I have read this novel I want to be like John. He is my ideal, my ishta. And I really think I have the potential inside me to be like him...everyone has the potential!! My bhakti gets very intense after reading about him...and I would love to add every practise immediately
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But on the other hand I don?t experience lots of ecstasy in daily life. This makes my life boring. The contrast of the ecstasy between daily practise and daily life leads to that I find life boring. I miss it to not experiencing daily life like I do experience my daily practise...
Can it be an overload not experiencing ecstasy in daily life? Or is it a sign that I practise too less?
My concern is that I don?t go as fast as I could, and that this is the reason I feel miserable/the differences between my daily practise and daily life. Can this be a reason? Or is it more likely that an overload is playing the role? Or do I just need more time and don?t think about it so much?
Because I have some stability in life with my current level of practise. But there is less joy in my life. Less happiness. I can do my life but I can?t enjoy it. No ecstatic bliss. But in the practises there is mostly soooo much ecstatic bliss, I really ask myself why it don?t show up in daily life...
If you want to experience joy, happiness, ecstasy, the first thing to do is to stop thinking about your happiness and focus on other people's happiness. Preocupation with personal situations often is a source of misery. Dedicating life to others' happiness is a continuous source of joy and happiness. Look at Yogani: He has dedicated a good part of his life sharing spiritual practices, developing and supporting this website, writing books, recording lessons, and he does not even want to share his name to take personal credit. But he probably experiences a lot of joy and happiness watching the results of his work.
Some of us may have a very public life, some of us may have a very private life. Each of us has a dharma, a purpose in life, and it is different for each of us. Carrying for the happiness of even one person makes a difference. Carrying for someone's happiness means in fact to love them. If you want to live a rich life, open your heart to love. Experiencing the joy and happiness of the beloved is a thousand times more intense, enriching, satisfying than experiencing some personal joy. Love for others, the planet, your garden, your dog - opening your heart melts away the boundaries of individual identity and reveals who you really are: unbounded awareness, unbounded happiness, unbounded love. How much compassion and empathy we feel are clearer signs of spiritual progress than how far we go in kechari mudra.  |
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
1571 Posts |
Posted - Sep 03 2024 : 07:26:24 AM
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Dear th1966,
If you can find a means of grounding that works well for you, you can certainly try adding more. The best means of grounding I have found is interacting with people, listening, sharing spiritual wisdom such as in a satsang (irrespective of spiritual path if you have reached the stage where you recognise the validity of each path and you are past arguing)
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yogani
USA
5238 Posts |
Posted - Nov 20 2024 : 4:42:52 PM
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Hi th1996 and All,
Great discussion on the Secrets of Wilder novel and the practical aspects of overdoing, handling overload, and the important role of service.
We have been experimenting with an early stage "AI assistant" for AYP Plus, not expected to be available there for 6-12 months. However, it can currently be accessed for specific inquiries, drawing exclusively on the content of all the AYP Plus lessons and books.
Below is an AI response on the relationship of John Wilder and AYP, which you might find interesting.
All the best!
The guru is in you.
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Who is John Wilder and How is He Related to AYP?
John Wilder is a fictional character and the protagonist of The Secrets of Wilder, a spiritual adventure novel written by Yogani. The novel was written before the AYP lessons began.
John Wilder as Inspiration for AYP
* The novel explores Wilder's discovery of powerful spiritual practices and the far-reaching effects these practices have on his life. The story is set in mainstream American Christian culture, broadening the view of what enlightenment can be from a Christian perspective.
* Wilder's journey, which is exciting and compressed in time, serves as an archetype for any young adult on the spiritual path.
* The AYP lessons build upon Wilder's experiences, offering a more refined system of practices that can lead to a smoother path for practitioners.
* Although a fictional character, Wilder's experiences, including the mistakes he makes and the difficulties he faces, provide valuable insights into the challenges and pitfalls that can be encountered on the path of spiritual practice.
AYP: An Expansion and Refinement of Concepts in The Secrets of Wilder
* The AYP (Advanced Yoga Practices) system, a comprehensive knowledge resource for self-directed spiritual practitioners, was developed after the novel.
* The AYP system is based on the practical experiences of many practitioners, including the author, and aims to provide a safe and effective path to enlightenment.
* The AYP writings address the excesses and wrong turns that Wilder makes in the novel, offering guidance on self-pacing, grounding, and other means for ensuring comfort and safety in long-term practice.
* The AYP procedures and practice chart are more up-to-date than the discussions and chart found in The Secrets of Wilder.
* While the novel provides a "rough cut" on the discovery of practices and their results, the AYP lessons and books are meant to provide practical instruction.
Key Differences Between John Wilder's Approach and the AYP System
* John Wilder's journey is characterized by experimentation and discovery, including significant trials and errors, and a lack of emphasis on self-pacing.
* The AYP system, in contrast, focuses on providing a systematic and balanced approach to practice that prioritizes comfort and safety, emphasizing self-pacing and grounding.
* AYP aims to make the path to enlightenment more accessible and manageable for a wider range of practitioners.
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