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elderberry
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 Posted - Aug 10 2024 : 10:58:44 PM
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Yogani writes that male orgasm once per week is not likely to have a significant negative impact on spiritual progress.
However, as a practitioner of tantra, I must say that there is certainly a noticeable difference in my sexual energy levels comparing one week without ejaculation vs. one month or longer.
Is once per week actually the upper limit in terms of diminishing returns from tantra?
Or, if it suits one's lifestyle, could one expect to get even more powerful results from having fewer orgasms (once every 2 weeks, once per month, etc)?
I understand this sort of thing is highly subjective to the individual, their baseline level of sexuality, their age, their degree of existing ecstatic conductivity, etc. However, I am just trying to dig a little deeper on this and see if others have experienced more powerful results by pushing things a little farther.
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Edited by - elderberry on Aug 10 2024 11:03:41 PM |
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Aug 12 2024 : 1:59:03 PM
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I understand this sort of thing is highly subjective to the individual, their baseline level of sexuality, their age, their degree of existing ecstatic conductivity, etc. However, I am just trying to dig a little deeper on this and see if others have experienced more powerful results by pushing things a little farther.
Obviously the more a yogi can forgo orgasm and the loss of essence, the more powerful bramacharya is as a practice. Strict bramacharya can also become a hindrance if a yogi develops a strong attachment to maintaining celibacy or the practice itself causes instability, discomfort, or distraction in everyday life. As natural vajroli takes hold in a yogi, there may be little loss in orgasm as the system is moving sexual essence upward on a continuous basis. Keep "collecting data" on your practices to find the stability sweet spot that works in your case. |
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interpaul
USA
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Posted - Aug 15 2024 : 06:58:54 AM
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| Elderberry, This seems an extension of your other question about pleasure and achieving the quickest path to spiritual growth. Extending the period longer and longer between ejaculations certainly increases the energetic state in the body. As Dogboy suggestions too strict a practice of bramacharya can be a hindrance to one's practice and be distracting. I find this a work in progress and I agree with Dogboy's advice to continue "collecting data". Ultimately this path is one of self discovery and you ultimately can't get the answers from others, something I've found disappointing but also liberating. What I can say is following Yogani's teachings has been a game changer for me. He advises shooting for 1-2 weeks and that seems to create powerful effects. I'd be curious to know how many men have been able to regularly last longer and if this has been stabilizing or destabilizing for them. |
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elderberry
USA
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Posted - Aug 17 2024 : 9:54:48 PM
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
Interpaul, yes, this is certainly related to my post about the perils of pleasure.
It seems that we are all in agreement that there is more energy potentially on the table during longer periods of retention. This has certainly been my experience as well. In this case, I would assume that Yogani's recommendation of once per week is a bit "80/20 rule" and a bit giving advice that is more realistic to adhere to for most practitioners. Going for weeks or months without releasing is a lot to ask.
Dogboy does bring up a very astute point with regards to some yogis getting too attached to the process at times. I would certainly agree that its possible to overdo tantric practices from the perspective of psychological attachment. The first time I practiced semen retention, it was many years ago without a baseline spiritual practice. During that time, I can certainly relate to the feeling of having an attachment to the celibacy, overthinking it, putting emphasis on the concept of a "streak" etc.
This time around with a solid baseline routine of spiritual practices, it all feels much more natural and flexible. While I am currently going for periods of time without ejaculating that might seem a bit on the high end to some, I don't feel the least bit obsessive or attached to it. Just enjoy the fruits of the energy day by day. If the celibacy ends tomorrow, no biggie. |
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Dogboy
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Posted - Aug 18 2024 : 05:27:07 AM
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This time around with a solid baseline routine of spiritual practices, it all feels much more natural and flexible. While I am currently going for periods of time without ejaculating that might seem a bit on the high end to some, I don't feel the least bit obsessive or attached to it. Just enjoy the fruits of the energy day by day. If the celibacy ends tomorrow, no biggie.
This is the way. |
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