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KevinKruss

United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 16 2023 :  03:27:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message
Hi there,

After 3 years of radical meditation (focusing on crown and third eye) I started getting these weird electric jolts down at my lower abdominal and sometimes my spine which wouldn't let me sleep (they're strongest when I'm falling asleep). The "shock" I describe started 4 years ago, before which I use to meditate everyday for 3 years, and then ended up with what I believe to be an energy overload. It became so bad that at some point (especially when the activity started reaching my heart and throat) I called the ambulance because I couldn't breathe and could feel my heart aggressively expand and my body sweat. My body was feeling heavy and my muscles worn out (this is how I feel 24/7 now!). But every time I went to the hospital they always said the same thing (heart is normal breathing is normal oxygen levels perfect you just have health anxiety, which I DON'T). A year ago my back started hurting like crazy I thought work or age was finally starting to get to me, but feedback from health professionals was the same: it's a mechanical problem your overall structure is prefect so you just need to work those muscles and engage them more often to strengthen them etc etc.

Recently my knees and feet started hurting real bad (like the nerves and muscles were recovering from an injury or something) and it all started with a feeling of electricity traveling down the knees as I was falling asleep.

Upon reading the lessons by Yogani I immediately realized the errors of my way and how unprepared I was for what was to come later on. I mean it was so obvious, the whole thing. Too much wrong practice (crown) and no balancing of any sort AND the delayed effect thing have all contributed to this energy onslaught. That didn't help however as it was too late, so I'm gonna skip the part where I'm asking for remedies and head straight to the point: sex!

I'm always hearing (over here at AYP and elsewhere) that abstaining is not good for people going through energy overload, because if anything you need to relieve the energy overload by releasing semen, not by building it up, right? It's like sports.

Well, it's always been the exact opposite for me. Sports and regular walking does release the energy, but (somehow) upwards setting it on its natural course so to speak. Sports became a new hobby for me after Kundalini. But Orgasm always felt like it was radically grounding an otherwise ascending energy, after which (and this has ALWAYS been the case for me) the energy would just recharge and fire up again even more ferociously (it's this firing up that causes me all the pain and muscle/nerve tension that makes me feel like a 70 year old man). When I abstain long enough, the energy kind of stabilizes and I'm left with sports and workout to manage the overall dynamics.

Don't if it's the nature of my sexual behavior/wiring that inevitably makes sex a bad thing for my yoga-induced energies like it's too much grounding all at once (I've been hooked on porn for so long that my sex drive can become so sloppy I ejaculate even before becoming fully hard sometimes and I'm absolutely sure this has a bearing on the dynamics of my Kundalini), because every time I have an orgasm I feel slightly "lighter" but give or take a few days and the energy is aggressively trying to regain its momentum and I'm back to square one and have to wait for things to stabilize once more. Sometimes the grounding effect of orgasm can be so bad, it "grounds" the energy all the way down to my feet (and not just my core or base) like it did last time and now I'm left with legs that feel like they've been traumatized or something. You see the trend here?

Can anyone help me make sense of this? Does the healthiness of our sex drive have a bearing on our energies? Is sex without love good for Kundalini overload? And is it only with a sexually healthy and balanced person that the grounding effects of sex can be realized without overgrounding becoming an issue?

Christi

United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 16 2023 :  1:38:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi KevinKruss,

Welcome to the AYP forums.

Sorry to hear about the difficulties you have been having. As you have said, you have been engaging in dangerous spiritual practices, which can cause prolonged periods of pain and imbalance. It sounds like you are aware of what you need to do in terms of self-pacing and grounding.

Sex is a complicated issue when it comes to energetic overload situations. This is because sex does two different things to the prana in the body. Orgasm with ejaculation will reduce the amount of prana in the body and have a grounding effect. However, anything that happens before that, sexually, will tend to stimulate prana in the body. Even sexual thoughts can stimulate prana. On top of this, sexual abstinence (celibacy) can gradually increase prana in the body. So, if someone has engaged in dangerous practices, or has pushed things too far, they can end up in a very difficult situation, where it is difficult to avoid orgasm and ejaculation, but where engaging in any kind of sexual activity can make things worse, because of the stimulatory effect.

There is really no simple solution to this problem. If you find other things grounding, then focus on those. Long walks, working in the garden, cleaning the house etc. Remain socially active, and avoid spiritual practices including prayer and reading spiritual books.

I recorded a short podcast recently for YouTube, talking about how to manage a painful kundalini awakening. I did not mention the sexual aspect of it in that podcast, but covered some other things. That is here:

https://youtu.be/uFzmaLQ7mw0


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Dogboy

USA
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Posted - Apr 17 2023 :  01:00:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Kevin, welcome

Yes it is a shame you had not started with AYP, which luckily I did almost ten years ago. It may not be happenstance that you have arrived here nonetheless, and with knowledge and grounding, you can stabilize spirituality and sexually.

In the six years since conductivity, build upon a solid foundation on SBP and DM, the lines between what is yoga, sex, walking, interacting with others, doing a job, making or listening to music…all overlap once my ecstatic body matured. I am learning daily, the power of gentle intention/attention, the boundlessness of inner silence at the ready, that conductivity and amaroli seem to have self-healing properties (in this yogi anyway).

The sex part is the hardest. There are so many elements going into it: how we feel about the being in the full length mirror, what our inner monologue tilts towards, especially when involving another person that is bringing with them their own joys, expectations, baggage, fears, secrets, vulnerabilities, to name a few. Christi is right: sex is both stimulating and grounding, another yogic paradox, and in your position, it is best to develop a plan moving forward. First of all, try to ditch the porn. It is a pacifier, and it is affecting how you relate not only to yourself but a partner. You really don’t need it if you can foster your imagination from a quiet and open place.

If I were in your shoes, I would continue to get outdoors, garden or come in contact with Earth, interacting with people, volunteering and being of service (in the simplest of ways). In regards to sex, I am not sure if you have a partner, but if you do, I would place a lot of emphasis on touch (massage) and affirmation. This is being sexual and grounding simultaneously. If you are alone, I would do the same as I would with a partner; I would focus on loving touch to the body, in a calm and quiet way, and preferably before sleep. I would stay away from ‘aggressive maneuvers’ in touching yourself, and withhold ejaculation until the urge becomes too prominent in your body and mind. Now is not the time to work on stamina; I would release when it feels easy to, and plan on going straight to sleep.

Sleep with a conductive body is challenging, because arousal can fill the vacuum on closing your eyes. The practice of Samyama helps me in surrendering, to dissolve my consciousness into the sensations that arise, doing nothing but melting away. I really don’t know how it works but it does.

You can try using breath to release pain, bringing gentle awareness to an area and imagine it softening on the exhale. A good breath for foggy head is cooling breath: curl the tongue into a tube and inhale, imagining the cool air filling your skull. Exhale the heat with gently flared nostrils.

I am a big fan of amaroli (https://www.aypsite.org/319.html) I find it incredibly grounding, with an immediate sense of wellness that lasts ten minutes or more. Start really slow: the practice apparently may be stimulating to some, and thus move cautiously.

Both Samyama and amaroli need a well of inner silence to produce results, which means of course, your best path forward is grounding and finding a level of DM practice you can preform twice daily at a predictable and safe manner. It is time to put the horse and cart in their proper positions. Good luck and report back!
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KevinKruss

United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 17 2023 :  01:19:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot for sharing, Christi.

I've ceased all yoga and yoga-related practices since the day I had my first spontaneous electric jolt. It was obvious to me that it was yoga-induced because it's something I've always felt during practicing. It was, however, mild and manageable. When all hell broke loose that day I knew I'd unlocked something that was going to take forever, if ever, to go back into the bottle. My life has never been the same since then.

Kundalini appears to interact with everything, from fear and dread to joy and physical pleasure. But sex seems to be one of the most consistent factors. Again, I'm not sure if a sloppy sexual function (years of porn-addiction causing premature ejaculation or deliberate delayed ejaculation with bad sexual wiring) means an equally sloppy (and therefore ineffective) Prana all across the body. All in all my sexual lifestyle is not healthy and has been burdened by years of abuse. Now I'm always told that Kundalini is a sexual force, and every time I deny it and indulge my negative sexual habits, it'd be a matter of days before Prana reassembles and comes back with full force. This energy will do anything to climb back up and, if interfered with, will make me pay. It might hurt a bit when climbing upwards, but the pain is ten times worse when it's forcefully pulled down.

The most recent thing that has happened to me reminds me of what Yogani calls "haywire" energy (according to Yogani, the natural and safe passage for Prana is up through the spine to the third eye, then from there back down to the root through the chest). Why Prana would travel down my left knee and near cripple my legs is something I don't understand. I can only imagine how badly it has been grounded in order for it to fall that low!

What do you know about haywire Kundalini or Prana?
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KevinKruss

United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 17 2023 :  01:31:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Dogboy,

I don't have a partner, and my porn usage is something I never identify with (every time I do it, I tell myself it's the last time). To be honest, sexual release doesn't always cause "overgrounding" for me, but only when overdone and yes, sometimes from one single session. It all depends on where the Prana stands.

As to using my breathe to release pain, I read in AYP a while back that, when energy conductivity is overwhelming on the left side, it is best to focus on the right side in order to connect the two sides and balance Prana out. It worked for a while but like everything in my life my attention during Prana summoning is too radical and it ends up creating more energy instead of balancing out whatever overload symptoms I currently have. Don't know how to say this but it feels like the way I naturally tend to my Prana is f###ed!

What worries me now is haywire energy (energy stuck in or radiating from parts of the body below the root chakra).
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alessio.giordano13

Italy
7 Posts

Posted - Apr 18 2023 :  10:06:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi everyone, I've been following AYP since 2015 but I've never published anything, the time has come to give my contribution today when my ideas are slightly clearer.

After my kundalini awakening in 2012 I had a lot of overload problems and especially in the genital part. The problems have been and partly still are:
1. Indomitable nocturnal erection (absolutely no arousal) that lasted all night;
2. Prostatitis that forced me to go to the bathroom many times a night;
Slowly I began to understand that the cause was indeed, at least in part, the excess of kundalini. I started to understand the causes and remedies.
*** For point (1.) from my personal experience:
- Nutrition: avoid all foods that heat the lower parts, such as garlic, chili peppers and many others, the list is long, I believe that in the end it coincides with foods that increase pitta, but not only. Of course, limit hot drinks as well. Also avoid supplements of mineral salts such as magnesium and do not exceed with vitamin supplements especially of group B. Raw vegetables, but above all vegetable centrifuges, have greatly increased my kundalini and I had to largely avoid them. I think too many vitamins and minerals is the reason.
-) Sexuality: given that I have a partner to whom I am very attached, sexual intercourse, at least in the most critical phase, which lasted for years, had to become once a week at most, short-lived and absolutely loving. I paid dearly for every slightest increase in physical passion with unmanageable overloads and therefore sleepless nights. I have occasionally over the years masturbated to porn and the energy overload has become unmanageable. Nothing is worse than porn, it's too far from love. At least that was my conclusion, I don't mean it's right for everyone. I'm just talking about my experience in the hope that it will be helpful.
;-) Letting go: At some point after almost 7-8 years of hardly sleeping due to these uncontrollable erections, one night I had the insight that changed my life. The erection was mainly due to the fact that in life I didn't let go enough, I was often insistent, too precise and didn't sketch enough. For years before going to bed I'd had to fill the tub with ice water, put my feet in the tub, and dump as much energy out of my feet as possible. And I also often had to get up during the night to repeat the operation. After this discovery of letting go erections were greatly reduced as the excess energy due to kundalini could naturally discharge from the feet. This is why I always say that for me the most powerful form of grounding is letting go. Letting go has so many areas, infinite, so it took me years to find out how many things I didn't let go and I'm still learning. Among other things, letting go, in the end essentially means letting go of thoughts, so as I learned to let go, mental silence also increased accordingly.
-) Excess of AYP practices: excess for both SBP and DM. I had to adjust myself on many occasions.
-) Physical activity: it's very grounding, I do a lot of sport every day. Running, swimming, gym and walking. It is grounding, but I remember that years ago I had to exercise without exaggerating the effort, otherwise I easily ended up overloaded. One thing I noticed is that the overload was all the stronger the more I was out of breath during the workout.
-) Night sleep: in the worst periods, to avoid overloading the day and especially the following night with unmanageable erections, I had discovered that I had to reduce the hours of sleep from the previous night. I had gotten to sleep only 5 hours. Of course I wasn't in perfect condition during the day, but at least the following night I was able to avoid the excess of congested kundalini in the first chakra. Today I sleep more or less as much as I like.
*** For point (2.) from my personal experience: prostatitis has had many causes but in part they are the same as point (1.) as persistent erections have been the cause of prostate inflammation. In general I understood that the prostate became inflamed due to the friction in the passage of energy through the first chakra. And this friction was as usual due to not letting go in life situations. Even sexuality for the same reasons mentioned in point (1.) has often inflamed my prostate. In terms of food, I had to eliminate all warming foods, but also many others because I didn't digest and assimilate almost anything. For many years I could eat very few things and in any case I didn't assimilate, I lost 15 kg. Today I have recovered almost completely, I can eat almost everything as part of a vegetarian diet. I obviously avoid foods that heat up to limit the overload.
For a long time the inflammation I realized was being increased by SBP because it created a lot of friction, I had to stop it several times.

Situation today: things have improved a lot especially in the lower parts which are the subject of this post. I'm not healed, but I've discovered so many areas of letting go, I've worked on it and the mental silence has increased dramatically. There is always an overload in the crown, an excess of energy in the head, which I manage to control by remaining moderate in AYP practices. The overload at the crown increases a lot when I'm more into duality and reasoning and when I have even minimal personal conflicts. Small things generate overload at the crown. I'm working on it.

Hi everyone

Alessio

Edited by - alessio.giordano13 on Apr 18 2023 5:29:25 PM
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Dogboy

USA
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Posted - Apr 19 2023 :  03:38:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome Alessio

Letting go. Radiance. Grounding. Surrender. All these outward flowing concepts are so important to a conductive yogi because of energy generation. When sensation arises and is let go, we become more like a sponge than a container, and acclimate much better in aroused states. Keep up the hard work of finding your limits and taking self pacing seriously, so that you may soon experience stability.
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KevinKruss

United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 19 2023 :  03:55:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Guys I understand the whole thing about self-pacing, letting go and all that, but I haven't done yoga in 4 years (wouldn't dare!) and have been grounding the whole time. Some grounding methods seem to work (a little bit, to an extent) and other appear to be too grounding (they "force" energy down where, I swear to God" it feels like it's not supposed to be). Even a quick orgasm (without arousal) can wreck havoc sometimes.

I'm sure there are different protocols for different issues when conventional holistic methods like grounding don't work.
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KevinKruss

United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 19 2023 :  05:29:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by alessio.giordano13

Hi everyone, I've been following AYP since 2015 but I've never published anything, the time has come to give my contribution today when my ideas are slightly clearer.

After my kundalini awakening in 2012 I had a lot of overload problems and especially in the genital part. The problems have been and partly still are:
1. Indomitable nocturnal erection (absolutely no arousal) that lasted all night;
2. Prostatitis that forced me to go to the bathroom many times a night;
Slowly I began to understand that the cause was indeed, at least in part, the excess of kundalini. I started to understand the causes and remedies.
*** For point (1.) from my personal experience:
- Nutrition: avoid all foods that heat the lower parts, such as garlic, chili peppers and many others, the list is long, I believe that in the end it coincides with foods that increase pitta, but not only. Of course, limit hot drinks as well. Also avoid supplements of mineral salts such as magnesium and do not exceed with vitamin supplements especially of group B. Raw vegetables, but above all vegetable centrifuges, have greatly increased my kundalini and I had to largely avoid them. I think too many vitamins and minerals is the reason.
-) Sexuality: given that I have a partner to whom I am very attached, sexual intercourse, at least in the most critical phase, which lasted for years, had to become once a week at most, short-lived and absolutely loving. I paid dearly for every slightest increase in physical passion with unmanageable overloads and therefore sleepless nights. I have occasionally over the years masturbated to porn and the energy overload has become unmanageable. Nothing is worse than porn, it's too far from love. At least that was my conclusion, I don't mean it's right for everyone. I'm just talking about my experience in the hope that it will be helpful.
;-) Letting go: At some point after almost 7-8 years of hardly sleeping due to these uncontrollable erections, one night I had the insight that changed my life. The erection was mainly due to the fact that in life I didn't let go enough, I was often insistent, too precise and didn't sketch enough. For years before going to bed I'd had to fill the tub with ice water, put my feet in the tub, and dump as much energy out of my feet as possible. And I also often had to get up during the night to repeat the operation. After this discovery of letting go erections were greatly reduced as the excess energy due to kundalini could naturally discharge from the feet. This is why I always say that for me the most powerful form of grounding is letting go. Letting go has so many areas, infinite, so it took me years to find out how many things I didn't let go and I'm still learning. Among other things, letting go, in the end essentially means letting go of thoughts, so as I learned to let go, mental silence also increased accordingly.
-) Excess of AYP practices: excess for both SBP and DM. I had to adjust myself on many occasions.
-) Physical activity: it's very grounding, I do a lot of sport every day. Running, swimming, gym and walking. It is grounding, but I remember that years ago I had to exercise without exaggerating the effort, otherwise I easily ended up overloaded. One thing I noticed is that the overload was all the stronger the more I was out of breath during the workout.
-) Night sleep: in the worst periods, to avoid overloading the day and especially the following night with unmanageable erections, I had discovered that I had to reduce the hours of sleep from the previous night. I had gotten to sleep only 5 hours. Of course I wasn't in perfect condition during the day, but at least the following night I was able to avoid the excess of congested kundalini in the first chakra. Today I sleep more or less as much as I like.
*** For point (2.) from my personal experience: prostatitis has had many causes but in part they are the same as point (1.) as persistent erections have been the cause of prostate inflammation. In general I understood that the prostate became inflamed due to the friction in the passage of energy through the first chakra. And this friction was as usual due to not letting go in life situations. Even sexuality for the same reasons mentioned in point (1.) has often inflamed my prostate. In terms of food, I had to eliminate all warming foods, but also many others because I didn't digest and assimilate almost anything. For many years I could eat very few things and in any case I didn't assimilate, I lost 15 kg. Today I have recovered almost completely, I can eat almost everything as part of a vegetarian diet. I obviously avoid foods that heat up to limit the overload.
For a long time the inflammation I realized was being increased by SBP because it created a lot of friction, I had to stop it several times.

Situation today: things have improved a lot especially in the lower parts which are the subject of this post. I'm not healed, but I've discovered so many areas of letting go, I've worked on it and the mental silence has increased dramatically. There is always an overload in the crown, an excess of energy in the head, which I manage to control by remaining moderate in AYP practices. The overload at the crown increases a lot when I'm more into duality and reasoning and when I have even minimal personal conflicts. Small things generate overload at the crown. I'm working on it.

Hi everyone

Alessio



Hi Allesio,

Thanks a lot for sharing I can definitely relate especially the part where you said you paid dearly for every time you had sex with abundant energy overloads later on. It's damn interesting how people from different walks of life react differently to Kundalini (i.e single vs having a partner). But more interesting is how the same grounding practice can have different effects with different setups, like when sex is without love and how this can affect Kundalini (I imagine oxytocin has a role to play, since it is probably absent in porn/compulsive sexual behavior but very active during love making proper. Oxytocin acts as a natural brake to our sexual drive, like a healing hormone, and you don't get that in porn).

I just read a story about a therapist who went through Kundalini and how, during the final phase, she thought it would either be over soon (no more abundant heat/energy ripping through the body and/or staying there for too long) or she would die. It was over, thankfully, and after years of agony, she is now free from the syndrome part and into the blissful, wakefulness part.

But she's a woman, and I imagine women aren't as sexually compulsive as men anyway, almost as if Kundalini completes its cycle and makes its final ascent relatively quicker when a person is not always sexually active. This is easier for women then men.
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alessio.giordano13

Italy
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Posted - Apr 19 2023 :  09:33:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Dogboy, thanks for the welcome, it makes me feel like knowing you, for so many years I have read your words, I have received your support, and now I am talking to you ... yes, stability is fundamental, in fact I also use samyama with the word stability. Ciao and thanks for your words

Edited by - alessio.giordano13 on Apr 19 2023 5:34:32 PM
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alessio.giordano13

Italy
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Posted - Apr 20 2023 :  08:57:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi KevinKruss,

I'm not sure if you're really grounding yourself. Grounding means that the energy is able to go all the way down, beyond the feet. It seems to me instead that, if I haven't misunderstood, that your energy remains congested in the first chakra and is unable to go further down. I can also tell you that I too had a sex fixation and that it got worse with the kundalini awakening, and I thought it was indeed a specifically sexual problem. But when I learned to let go in life, in all situations in life, sex also began to become less and less important to me, despite the fact that I am with someone I really like. I believe this happened because, having learned to let go, the energy decongested itself from the first chakra and started to go all the way down more easily. Of course it is not just a matter of descending, the energy has also ascended more freely through the higher centres.
The sexual problem, the sexual fixation, I would go so far as to say it's not really a sexual problem, pardon the pun. It is a consequence of the fact that the energy gets easily congested in the first chakra because it doesn't go down and up freely. When you have cleared both the downwards and upwards, the sexual fixation will disappear as the energy has decongested from the first chakra.
I want to be even more specific about what letting go has meant to me. It means not insisting on anything anymore, not arguing, not holding resentment, not analyzing too much, it means lightening up, and therefore in essence it means being able to more easily maintain a state of mental silence, a state in which everything that happens internally is immediately released into the silence, in the void.
Obviously this attitude, in addition to many other things, also paves the way upwards, towards love (heart center) and a more conscious use of words (throat center).
Love is the key to everything, actually if we only knew how to love everything would be solved. Loving others and ourselves too. Personally I realized my fear/inability to love, I fought it with all of myself and I started to risk, risking more and more. I understood that others are nothing but our mirrors and that we can only have gratitude towards them, because thanks to this game of mirrors they allow us to see ourselves. At this point, loving has become much easier and more spontaneous. And that paved the way to the top. Sex is so less important to me today, I often feel like when I was a child again, I no longer have any sexual urge, sex is no longer a thought.

Ciao

Alessio

P.S: I met my partner right before the kundalini awakening. Before, I had lived freewheeling. It is thanks to her and kundalini that I was able to understand how much I had gone astray.

Edited by - alessio.giordano13 on Apr 20 2023 10:17:08 AM
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Christi

United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 20 2023 :  1:14:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
What do you know about haywire Kundalini or Prana?



Hi Kevin,

Yes, prolonged sexual abuse of the body can lead to the body becoming a mess energetically. This is true, whether someone is abusing their own body, or being abused by someone else. Other things, such as drug abuse, alcohol abuse and traumatic experiences, can also lead to the body becoming messed-up on the energetic level. If a kundalini awakening takes place for someone who has a body in this state, then it can be very difficult to deal with, and take a long time to stabilise.

The thing to do is to be patient, and give yourself time. If you recognise that you have destructive habits, then gradually wean yourself off those habits. If you do use drugs, or drink alcohol, then gradually wean yourself off those things. The same with porn addiction, as that is not going to help at all. Spend more time in nature, remain socially active, eat healthily and drink plenty of water. Eventually everything will calm down, as long as you stop feeding logs into the fire.

Once you find a stable level, remain there for some time. At least for a few months, before gently introducing spiritual practices again. If you do re-introduce spiritual practices after a period of stability, then focus on cultivating inner silence and purifying the central channel, to give the prana a better direction to flow along. But still stay away from drugs, alcohol and sex. And definitely stay away from anything related to the crown chakra!


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KevinKruss

United Kingdom
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Posted - May 13 2023 :  01:48:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Christi!

I definitely plan on staying away from harmful habits like porn because every time I relapse and binge on porn, things become a hell of a lot worse for me energetically speaking and I end up going to see the doctor due to all the symptoms only to realize there's nothing wrong with my vitals. My porn use during the past few months have reached record levels (every week or two, which is a lot for someone like me) and the result has been major energy outbursts and imbalances because I can't think of any other factor that directly stimulates and then drains down Prana). Something about this sinister habit drains down your energy and as your energies try to recover (usually 4 days after the relapse), you get all kinds of symptoms which, I swear to God, feel like a heart attack or blocked arteries or something.

I don't drink or use drugs, but I do smoke (tobacco) and for the most part it helps ground me unless my body is undergoing new levels of energy conductivity and everything, even coffee, tea and workout can make me more conductive. That's not to say that tobacco is healthy or energetically beneficial, just that, in times of peace, it helps me level things.

You say stay away from anything to do with the crown chakra. I remember that part from Yogani's lessons, but what can I do if the energy (especially these days) is rushing to my head, face and crown rather spontaneously (sometimes it settles in my third eye which, according to Yogani, is a safe deposit canter, but mostly goes up to the crown as well). Is this spontaneous poking of the crown which is happening by itself going to hurt me? Is there something I can do to stop it? I know from the lessons that you shouldn't be tampering with the energy head on so what am I supposed to do?
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Dogboy

USA
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Posted - May 13 2023 :  02:30:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kevin

1) continue to ground daily, especially outside.
2) you can try lying on your stomach and rest the third eye on the floor/ground, imagining energy flowing outwardly
3) Not AYP, but you can try Cooling Breath for relief: curl the tongue into a tube and inhale, feeling the coolness in your skull. Gently flare your nostrils and exhale to heat. I usually do three at a time.
4) baths/ water is very grounding
5) be kind to yourself. It is important to know how we wish to improve, and direct our gentle attention and intentions towards that. It takes years to go astray and can take years to come around to who we want to be. Make sure you witness the positive and negative, and put you thumb on the scales. Live a life where you feel comfortable looking yourself in the eye in the mirror.

You got this
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KevinKruss

United Kingdom
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Posted - May 13 2023 :  03:20:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Dogboy,

Only problem with visualizing and doing breathing work is that (and this is something I learned from experience) my energies are highly sensitive to any form of conscious interference with energy flow, and every time I try to visualize and actively direct the energies, I end up with more (and not less) energy in the body. It's my attention I guess it's so tense and radical.
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Dogboy

USA
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Posted - May 14 2023 :  01:58:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Aaaah, understood. Losing yourself in a bath, or a hike outdoors, it is then! for sure, do not dwell on the crown, and give grounding the third eye a try, to the floor (or better yet, actual earth/sod).

Also, when you feel discomfort in any way, try emptying your thoughts and just being with sensation, very gently, quietly, and then let it go like a sutra. Inside there might be a lot of “unknowable clenching” going on; the practice of judgement-less “being” and releasing could allow relief.

I have also heard testimonials from those with premature awakenings that conversing with wayward energy has promise, for instance, if energy is pooling in the head, you can ask it to drain out the palms of your hand instead. With my stable, conductive body, I find I have influence on the inner winds.

I’m really just spitballing here. Report back so we can all learn if anything works. Good luck
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KevinKruss

United Kingdom
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Posted - May 14 2023 :  04:40:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Been looking for that term (wayward energy) for months and I remember reading a lot about it years ago when this whole ordeal began for me. It was on the tip of my tongue for the past couple of months but I remember it now thanks to you mentioning it!

Yes, wayward energy (asymmetrical like too much in left vs right side of the body) is exactly what ails me! Apparently it's a different problem I mean not same as general energy overload according to the author of that thread (Jim and his Karam). I'm not sure if Yogani agrees though (does he?).

I always felt like a bird trying to ascend with one wing ever since this whole thing started. My left and right energies rarely ever came into alignment, but whenever they did the feeling of ascent was remarkably smooth. It was violent and scary, yes, but very etherical and vibrant with little to no physical pain but pure vibrations (I think think that's when out of body experiences are felt).

At least I now have a better understanding of what ails me. Not saying asymmetry is my only problem, but clearly it's a big part of the issue since most if not all of my physical symptoms are on the left side (left leg, left foot, left back, left arm and of course, my heart).

As to conversing with the energies I'm not sure how to do that or what it means but whatever it means it has to be true because when trying to force the energy down or up only makes it worse, then "conversing" is probably the safer thing to do anyway.
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alessio.giordano13

Italy
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Posted - May 15 2023 :  11:56:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi KevinKruss,

I also have a strong energy asymmetry between left and right. The left side is much more energized than the right and I notice this well in meditation. During meditation the asymmetry is progressively reduced, but never completely. Asymmetry is a distracting factor during meditation. I have noticed that if I do asanas and spinal breathing before meditating the asymmetry is reduced more during meditation almost until it disappears. One thing that reduced it even more was the targeted-bstrika but I had to stop because it overloaded me. Unlike you, all physical discomfort for me occurs on the right, that is, on the less energized side. If anyone has any advice on how to improve the asymmetries I would be very grateful.

HI
Thank you

Alessio
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Jac

Switzerland
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Posted - May 16 2023 :  11:08:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Alessio,

Yogani dealt with this problem in lesson 207.

https://www.aypsite.com/207.html

Jac
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alessio.giordano13

Italy
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Posted - May 17 2023 :  12:05:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jack,

so I was probably doing it wrong by bringing attention to the less energized right side in an attempt to rebalance. While Yogani as I understand it he says to keep the attention on the central channel and see the imbalance as a scenario. The imbalance is annoying because it distracts me in meditation. Like everything else, probably to change it I must first accept it.

Thank you

Alessio

Edited by - alessio.giordano13 on May 17 2023 12:43:39 PM
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Jac

Switzerland
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Posted - May 17 2023 :  7:23:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, you should not try to rebalance one side energetically by focusing your attention on it. AYP practices are themselves balancing. However, be careful not to add too many practices too quickly. Spinal bastrika is an advanced practice that can overload you easily as you have noticed. And you shouldn't try for a while to do it again.

As you noted, the asanas and SBP before meditation are balancing, so that's the way... and during meditation, always come back to the mantra whenever you realize something has distracted you.

The criterion to see if it all works is : how do you feel during the day?

Jac
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alessio.giordano13

Italy
7 Posts

Posted - May 19 2023 :  2:43:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Jac
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Jac

Switzerland
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Posted - May 20 2023 :  11:17:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
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KevinKruss

United Kingdom
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Posted - Jun 03 2023 :  8:22:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Update:

The energy has been moving up to my head and staying there for long periods before traveling down the back of my skull to the back (and God my scalp is itchy and burning feels like I have to shower every day now!). Does this mean the crown (which is the root cause of a premature awakening) is now in full force?

I'm scared because I know everyone here (including Yogani) say that the crown is too dangerous to go to or stay at but what can I do if this is happening all by itself? Recently everything has been triggering my energies, from smoking and coffee to food, workout and even getting involved in an argument!

If it's true that the third eye chakra is the one that creates balance (I remember both Yogani and Jim saying that the third eye was your friend in this journey) then is it advisable for me to do special meditation to target the third eye?

Mind you (and this is a very important point to bare oin mind) my third eye vibrates violently (but not unpleasantly) after a long walk or some consistent workout all by itself without me even poking it so much that all I have to do to create more vibration is to just "remember" it if that makes any sense, so it's not something I have to force or think/stress about. At almost feels like it's an indicator of balance as it is even though I don't meditate or do any energy work.

What should I do?
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