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Delfos

Brazil
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Posted - Jul 21 2018 :  12:29:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message
First of all, sorry for English, I'm using google translator

1. What are your symptoms and how long have you had them? Are your symptoms primarily physical, psychological, or both?

I have strong spasms when I pay attention to something. All possible spasms, in all regions of the body. It disturbs me a lot, because I can not pay attention to things, and I'm limited. That was about 4 months ago.

This problem is totally physical, even though I feel extremely depressed because of you.

2. Are your symptoms ongoing, or intermittent? If intermittent, when are they most likely to occur -- during what kind of activity and/or time of the day? Is your sleep affected?

ongoing. No problems spleeping

3. Do you consider your situation with kundalini to be the result of spiritual practices, or do you regard it to be spontaneous?

result of spiritual practices

4. What sort of spiritual practices have you been engaged in, if any? How long? How often? Are you aware that excessive spiritual practice can aggravate kundalini, often with a delayed reaction?

I do mindfulness, a technique I learned in a book that consists of paying attention to every part of your body. Be aware of each member. And then he listened to his breath.

I also sharpened my other senses after meditation. That made them evolve, and my consciousness also evolved.

made daily 50 min or 1 hour

5. Do you consider yourself to be “sensitive” to spiritual practices? If so, with what practices, and what sort of measures have you taken to accommodate your sensitivity?

no

6. Do you think drugs have contributed to your kundalini situation?

no

7. Have you experienced traumatic events in your life that may have a bearing on your current symptoms?

yes.I suffered a lot emotionally, and that left me a fearful person.

8. Is your sexual lifestyle affecting your symptoms? Are you aware that obsessively limiting sexual release can increase kundalini energy and symptoms?

No. Yes

9. What is your general diet? Are you aware that a lighter diet can stimulate kundalini?

I eat too much carbohydrate. no

10. Do you engage in moderate exercise regularly, like walking, yard work, etc? Are you aware that regular exercise can help stabilize ("ground") kundalini symptoms?

do not. Yes

11. Are you a highly devotional person? Are you aware that excessive devotional activity, satsang or spiritual study can aggravate an active kundalini?

no. no

12. Are you engaged in ordinary daily activities like a job, school, family, parenting, social activity, service to others? Are you aware that such activities, undertaken without spiritual intention or expectations, can help ground excessive kundalini energies?

no. no

13. Have you been examined and treated by a medical doctor or mental health professional for your symptoms in the past? If so, what was the result?

no

14. Are there other factors and/or measures you are taking in relation to your situation that are not covered above?

I have tdah. And before I started to meditate I was a very distracted person. I could not pay attention to anything. Meditation changed me, and I became more aware.

my ability to pay attention grew over time, and I used it. I tried to look at things more clearly, using my vision, and that made the sense evolve. I could feel it in my brain. And I always thought it was something positive.
This happened with all the senses.

Over time I felt my brain evolve.

The spasms did not come so suddenly. Before I could enjoy my attention.

Now I am highly energized. I feel energy stuck in my abdomen. Always when I pay attention I have a bump on my back. And if I persist, it gets worse, and everything gets more intense.
It disturbs my breathing too, it changes sometimes, and gets more intense.

When I pay attention to some part of my body, that part has spasm. As if the energy were moved.

And there are also automatic yoga movements, which force me to make certain movements. It occurs when I pay attention to my body as a whole.

It has also happened that I go to church and my body responds because of the excess energy of the environment.

I already passed doctors, and the exams gave nothing. They do not have the answer to my problem.

I hope from the bottom of my heart that you help me in some way. The thing I most want is to be able to pay attention again, without the spasms.


15. Optional: What is your approximate age (teen, 20s, 30s, 40s, etc.)? What is your gender? We ask because the manifestation of kundalini symptoms can be affected by these factors.

20 years old. male

Charliedog

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Posted - Jul 21 2018 :  04:08:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit Charliedog's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Delfos and welcome to these AYP forums

Thank you for answering this questionnaire. Sorry to hear about your difficulties. You experience what is called kriyas or automatic yoga movement. There is too much energy for the body to handle. This means you will have to self-pace.

It is at this moment best to stop for some time daily spiritual practices. You need grounding, like taking long walks in nature, yard work, and social interaction. Stop also with reading spiritual books etc. for some time. It could also be helpful to take healthy comforting foods.

Later when you found balance again, you can start again with a daily practice in which self-pace has to have an important role.

This lesson will give you all information about kundalini imbalances.
www.aypsite.org/69.html


Edited by - Charliedog on Jul 21 2018 04:16:56 AM
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
1730 Posts

Posted - Jul 21 2018 :  05:03:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Delfos

I agree with Charliedog, you need to ground and find ways to integrate the energy.

A reasonably fit body will handle the energy better. It's worth considering some sort of fitness routine. Also try to channel the energy into something useful. If you are not busy with work or study, a bit of volunteering might be a good idea.

Other things to consider may be practices like yoga asanas, tai chi, or chin gung. These help smooth the energy flow.

One question for you: When you get these spasms, have you tried lying down and relaxing? What happens then, how long do the spasms last?

quote:
Originally posted by Delfos
I do mindfulness, a technique I learned in a book that consists of paying attention to every part of your body. Be aware of each member. And then he listened to his breath.

Does this technique involve focusing on the crown for any amount of time? If the answers is yes, then I would look around for another meditation technique. That is after you have grounded and the spasms have subsided.

All the best.

Edited by - BlueRaincoat on Jul 21 2018 06:31:57 AM
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Blanche

USA
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Posted - Jul 23 2018 :  09:45:50 AM  Show Profile  Visit Blanche's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Delfos,

The spasms are symptoms of kundalini awakening.

You can think about enlightenment as a three-part process:
-First the inner silence/stillness is awakened.
-Second the kundalini/ecstatic conductivity is awakened.
-Finally, the inner silence and the ecstatic conductivity merge to a state of unity.

It seems that the trip started in the middle for you. Awakening kundalini first is like pressing the gas pedal before the car tires are on the road (before the inner silence is awakened and stable).

As Charliedog and BlueRaincoat wrote, you need to integrate the energy. Try some things to see what works for you: go for long walks in nature, be active, spend time with people, reduce or take a break from spiritual practices, pray for help (even if you don’t quite believe in anything), eat healthy, sleep enough, and so on. You have to do this to get better. You got yourself here, and you have the power to charge things. All depends on you. Spiritual practices lead to a complete transformation of your nervous system, of your body and mind, and you need to work to help this process, even if it is going a little too fast now.

It is a good idea to cultivate inner silence and bring the wheels of your spiritual car on the road. One way is by learning mantra meditation – see details here. Practice for 5 minutes twice a day, and see how you feel. If you are stable, gradually increase the practice to 20 minutes twice a day. Continue with only meditation for at least six months before you add any other practices.

Write here to let us know how you are doing.
Best wishes
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Delfos

Brazil
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Posted - Jul 31 2018 :  10:50:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you all for your attention and for your answers.
blanche: I started doing the practice that you indicated, and it was good, it seems that things have calmed down inside my body. The spasms ceased. But instead of them what happens to me is a very strong exhalation. My breath is forced, and I release all the air inside my lung. This happens when I pay attention to something. If I persist in paying attention, then this becomes a spasm in the body.
Would you like to know what to do? I just continue with the indicated practice?

On the ground, I have made walks and made prayers. It does not seem to have helped much. I'll keep doing it, of course.

You know, there seems to be a lot of energy concentrated in my abdomen, in my belly. It seems she's still there, imprisoned. I do not know what to do about it.

And do you practice like acupuncture? I'm doing it, do you think it helps?

Well, I will continue following the practice, I will go into a heavier workout routine, and continue following the procedures.

Thank you again for your help and attention, without you I would not even know where to start.

BlueRaincoat: about the coronary chakra, I really do not know to answer you. I remember that the energy went up, when I forced it, from the abdomen to the head. an enormous energy concentrated in the abdomen.
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
1730 Posts

Posted - Jul 31 2018 :  1:50:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Delfos
[Well, I will continue following the practice, I will go into a heavier workout routine, and continue following the procedures.


If you have a fitness routine, I would just continue with that. Intense physical effort can stimulate the energy, so be careful about stepping up to a very heavy workout.

If mantra meditations seems to help, try doing 10 minutes in each session, see what happens. Step back to 5 minutes if the discomfort increases following longer meditation sittings.
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Delfos

Brazil
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Posted - Aug 01 2018 :  09:31:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
wanted to know if things will normalize over time. Does the energy naturally readjust itself in my body? Or is it the meditation I'm doing that will make everything come back to normal?
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Delfos

Brazil
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Posted - Aug 01 2018 :  09:48:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
but I'm evolving. It's because all this makes me very bad because I go to a school know? and I have to work and pay attention to things. And I can not get it right. I get very sad because of my current condition.
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
1730 Posts

Posted - Aug 01 2018 :  12:58:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Delfos

wanted to know if things will normalize over time. Does the energy naturally readjust itself in my body? Or is it the meditation I'm doing that will make everything come back to normal?


Yes, things will normalise.
You seem to have somehow awakened kundalini, but the energy channels in your body are not clear, so the energy gets stuck in the abdomen.

From what you have written, it seems that I AM meditation is already helping to clear the blockages along the channels. This is what it is for. Just build it up very carefully, as you need to find the right 'dose'. It is possible to overdo practices, you know, especially if you are sensitive (which you seem to be).

Try 10 minute sessions of I AM meditation for a few weeks and see how it goes. And keep us posted.

All the best.
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Delfos

Brazil
32 Posts

Posted - Aug 01 2018 :  11:25:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
something that happened to me. Well I'm following the tips, I'm not exaggerating in practice and it seems I'm doing it right. but today, the meditation triggered a spasm in my body, something I had before. When I meditate, I feel that she is acting in my brain, in a specific region. but in this last meditation,I feel a sensation that moves in my brain, and when it arrives in a certain part, it generates the spasms. What should I do?

Edited by - Delfos on Aug 02 2018 02:16:57 AM
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
1730 Posts

Posted - Aug 02 2018 :  03:03:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Delfos

You have not answered my question earlier on:
quote:
Originally posted by BlueRaincoat
When you get these spasms, have you tried lying down and relaxing? What happens then, how long do the spasms last?



Sometimes kundalini does funny things, but if you relax and allow it to happen, the movements gradually subside.

I can understand that the spasms are not welcome when they occur during daily activity. But if they should only occur when you are at home, perhaps during your yoga practice, how big of a problem would that be? Are they painful or very uncomfortable? Is it possible that the fear of the spasms is more of a problem than the spasms themselves?
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AnotherYogi

Ireland
6 Posts

Posted - Aug 03 2018 :  04:30:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Delfos,

I have experienced similar issues and have tried many things to help. Standing Tai chi has been very helpful for me. You can try this video on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y07FauHYlmg&t=4s

Do this exercise everyday for 10 minutes it should help.

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Delfos

Brazil
32 Posts

Posted - Aug 04 2018 :  2:55:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
BlueRaincoat: so in fact what happens to me is not a crisis of spasms, that suddenly I start to have spasms. But the spasms are associated with my attention, so if I pay attention, I already have spasms. So what stops me from having spasms would not be me to lie down and relax, but rather I stop paying attention.

But in this case that I mentioned above, it happened only when I was meditating. So, should I let all this come? Or do you think I should stop practicing?


AnotherYogi: Did you have the same situation as me? It's strange because I searched a lot on the internet and found nothing like it. I mean ... when you paid attention to something did you have a spasm?
If it's true, then I can try Tai Chi. But I'm very skeptical, as this seems to be an isolated case.
And I'm already showing improvement in this meditation that I do now too.
Anyway, thanks for the help ^^
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
1730 Posts

Posted - Aug 04 2018 :  3:55:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Delfos
But in this case that I mentioned above, it happened only when I was meditating. So, should I let all this come?


Yes, that was my thinking.
If you can have that release of energy at a time of your choosing (i.e. on your meditation seat), and allow it do its thing, as long as it is not causing you to suffer of course, this might go some way to solving the problem.
What do you feel about it? Worth a try?
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
1730 Posts

Posted - Aug 04 2018 :  4:50:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
I should clarify: I'm not suggesting that you do the I AM meditation with the intent of causing spasms.
But should any spasms occur, let them take their course while you meditate. If they are so strong as to distract you from repeating the mantra, follow the instructions in Lesson 15:
quote:
Sometimes physical discomfort can happen during meditation. This is usually a symptom of the release of obstructions in the nervous system. If it interferes with the easy process of meditation, then pause with the mantra and allow the attention to be drawn to the physical discomfort. Just be with it for a while. Usually, this will dissolve the discomfort naturally. Once it does, go back to the mantra and continue your meditation until your time is up. Count the time you spent with your attention on the physical discomfort as part of your meditation time. If the sensation does not dissolve, lie down for while, until the sensation subsides. It is a good thing. A big obstruction is going. Let it go easily, naturally.


If, on the other hand, you are able to pay attention to the mantra while the spasms happen in the background, then do that.

How long are you making your meditation sessions?

Edited by - BlueRaincoat on Aug 04 2018 5:07:42 PM
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Delfos

Brazil
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Posted - Aug 04 2018 :  8:23:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
certainly worth a try. But the spasms only happened in this meditation I had done, the others did not have the same problem, which is good.


So I'm already doing 20 minutes. I even wanted to increase the time a little because it seems that I interrupt the practice when there are still things happening in my brain. It's like I end the flow.

But I was progressively increasing practice.


She has done me a lot of good.

One thing I have done is put the cell phone to wake up when it's 20 minutes, can I do it?

And one other thing, I'm very depressed because of that. Sometimes I'm super good, so other times I feel really bad. Can all this stress affect anything? Is it important to try to push him away? Because I know this technique clears the stress, but the sadness sometimes appears very strong.

I think that's all.

Will my breath one day go away with this meditation? Just as the spasms are gone, one hour will the breathing normalize?
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 05 2018 :  06:00:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Delfos
I even wanted to increase the time a little because it seems that I interrupt the practice when there are still things happening in my brain. It's like I end the flow.


That is a definite 'no'. We do not increase the length of the session to make up for the time the mind has caused distractions. That is all part of the meditation procedure. The mind will come up with distractions, it is how this meditation method works. We do not fight the distractions and we do not add extra time at the end. All you need to do is gently pick up the mantra again when you realised you are off it.

What I was going to advise you was not to increase the length of your sessions beyond 10 minutes. Remember Blanche also advised you, when she suggested 5 minutes of I AM meditation, that you should increase the time very slowly, i.e. over some months, to a maximum of 20 minutes.

I think you are taking a risk by jumping to 20 minutes already.
With a powerful technique like mantra meditation, more is not better. There is an optimum length and it varies from persons to person. Nobody does more than 20 minutes in one session. You, having had excessive symptoms from your previous meditation practice, may well be oversensitive to meditation in general. To be on the safe side, I would advise that 10 minutes per session is enough for you, at least to start with. If you have practiced for several months like this, then you can try to increase to 15 minutes, and after a few more months, increase to the maximum limit of 20. It's important to allow several weeks or months before making changes, because the effects of meditation are delayed. The excessive practice you may be doing today - if you are practicing to excess - may not take effect till several weeks later. So I would say that the prudent approach is to build it up very gradually, starting with no more than 10 minutes in your case.

That is my recommendation at least. Perhaps other people around the forum would give an opinion.

Take care.

Edited by - BlueRaincoat on Aug 05 2018 06:04:56 AM
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Delfos

Brazil
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Posted - Aug 05 2018 :  10:48:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
BlueRaincoat: You're right, I'll follow the recommendations given.
But what about this point of the alarm clock? How will I know if it's been 10 minutes or not?
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Charliedog

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Posted - Aug 05 2018 :  1:17:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit Charliedog's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Delfos,

'Insight timer' is an app to use on your cellphone. You can set several times (when needed) in one practice and it has singing bowl soft sounds.

I agree with the excellent advices you received of BlueRaincoat and Blanche. Take your time, to slowly build a practice and to read the lessons.

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Delfos

Brazil
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Posted - Aug 05 2018 :  1:55:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Charliedog: thanks for the help
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lalow33

USA
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Posted - Aug 05 2018 :  7:36:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, I know what you are talking about. It's not spasms for me, it starts with heartburn. If I get it bad enough, anywhere I pay attention to in my body/energy body will burn with pain. I've learnt how to switch awareness off the body and energy body, but I have zero idea on how to describe it or how to do it. Anyway, the more attention you give it, makes it worse( as you already know).
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Delfos

Brazil
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Posted - Aug 05 2018 :  10:37:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
The spasms came back. Now out of meditation. Movements very similar to the previous ones. Automatic yoga movement. It basically starts with my breathing, which is already out of control. It loses control until it sucks up all the air and inflates the whole lung, after that happens the movement. My body starts to shake and I let the air out of my lungs. Sometimes there is an unbearable headache, but it lasts little.

There is nothing to say, this is happening the same things as before. Automatic yoga


As it happens, I feel the blockages I have in my brain being eliminated. The feeling is good. It's like I have a lot of energy in my body, and a little in my head. Therefore the body itself tries to balance everything, causing the flow of energy to go to the head.


In one of my kriyas, the hearing improved. As if you had deleted a lock


I do not know what to do, do I ignore them or let them come?

I long for your answers ^^.
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Charliedog

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Posted - Aug 06 2018 :  01:48:25 AM  Show Profile  Visit Charliedog's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
As said, what you experience is automatic pranayama/yoga. It comes of your attention on the breath. You can let it happen or stop it, it is your choice. Of-course we have to get used to it if we never experienced this before, but this is you, the energy.

Important is to ground, have social contacts, do something for someone else. Do not over-analyse yourself.....

I speak from own experience, if you have time, lay down on the floor and let it happen, surrender to the automatic yoga. After some time of enjoying, stand up and go out into the world. Get to know yourself.

And important, start a short daily practice and self-pace, like written above. You received all you need here, time to relax, read some and enjoy your practice. You are in a transformational phase, it all will smooth out, you get used to it and life goes on.




Edited by - Charliedog on Aug 06 2018 01:56:16 AM
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
1730 Posts

Posted - Aug 06 2018 :  06:19:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
I subscribe to Charliedog's advice - if the spasms are not too uncomfortable, let them happen.
There is no quick fix, but once you stop fighting them, one day you will find you can live with them, then they will get less and less, till one day they will stop appearing altogether.

quote:
Originally posted by Delfos
Sometimes I'm super good, so other times I feel really bad. Can all this stress affect anything? Is it important to try to push him away? Because I know this technique clears the stress, but the sadness sometimes appears very strong.


The ups and downs are also a sign of overload. You must adjust your meditation practice so that you keep these symptoms at a manageable level. Yogani calls it "the art of cleaning the house without raising too much dust". Sometimes it's easier to do, sometimes it's more difficult. You are facing a bit of a challenge now, but it will get better.
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Delfos

Brazil
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Posted - Aug 06 2018 :  12:27:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the reason these moves happened again is because yesterday I ran a lot. I was just doing long walks, but yesterday I raced a lot when I went hiking. Do you think that could be it?
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 06 2018 :  1:45:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
It is possible. I think I already wrote in a post above that intense physical effort stimulates the energy.
The symptoms happen because you are at the edge already - a little bit of extra stimulation and you've crossed into overload. You need to give self-pacing a thought - reduce yoga practice or take a break from if for a few day. And engage in grounding activities.
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