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aditya
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 Posted - Nov 22 2006 : 6:05:14 PM
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Hello wise ones!
I am back with a new experience to share with you all. I had reported a few months ago of seeing an eye during meditation. After few days, I started seeing lights of various colors(blue/voilet with shine as numerous point circles).
Now I have started seeing larger colored circles(dark and white), but they are not very bright. Those circles would mix in and out - initially there is a small white light - it grows and then a black piece covers it - white goes out like a circle of diminishing radius. Again black transforms into white, but outer periphery is still dark. Again same thing - it will decrease in radius and get smaller I cannot tell you the time frame of each cycle - I have no awareness. It keeps on and on till I am tired.
Few days ago I saw actual Sun behind two mountains, a river, perhaps birds and trees. I watch it from a distance. It appears a rising Sun or a setting one - I have no clue what it is. This happened few times in one sitting and another few in other sitting. I cannot see this as per my wish - actually when I see it - I have no feeling of myself. It comes and goes out. It is awesome - take my words - I cannot describe it. It is so peaceful. This stage is reached after several black and white cycles are completed.
Now the question: what is this? Has anyone experienced it?
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Scott
USA
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Posted - Nov 22 2006 : 6:38:29 PM
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Hey Aditya,
I've only experienced the circles mixing in and out, and they aren't black and white for me but usually indigo and amber. Sounds like a nice vision you had. |
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Neesha
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Posted - Nov 22 2006 : 6:59:17 PM
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hi,
yes been there........but the white bright light is what it all boiled down to......I get scared
I saw in yogani lessons they mentioned this bright light
it's just a phase........I guess.......I never took it on
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aditya
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Posted - Nov 22 2006 : 7:03:49 PM
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Hi Scott,
Thanks for sharing that. What is next step that you experienced? I had absolutely no sensation of my body - where was I? Is my vision and mind playing games with me or is it with some meaning to follow? |
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Scott
USA
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Posted - Nov 22 2006 : 7:15:50 PM
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| There's not a next step for me, it usually just goes away. If you have absolutely no sensation of your body, that is just an absorption state, so long as you're seeing visions. What follows it is silence...from what I know. You seem to have a deeper experience than myself, though, so don't listen to me. |
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lucidinterval1
USA
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Posted - Nov 22 2006 : 11:33:44 PM
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Hello aditya,
As for the colors - I generally see purples with yellow outlines and sometimes greens moving in and out of ajna with white as well, generally in the center.
As for the scenic landscapes that you describe - This for me, is generally a precursor to an OBE. I just focus on the scenery with passivity.
With Peace,
Paul |
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aditya
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Posted - Nov 23 2006 : 07:52:18 AM
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Thanks Neesha, thanks Paul.
I do not see colors - maybe because I am color blind! ;-)
(maybe related) I tried watching people's aura around Jul-Aug or so. I was able to see it after an effort of 2-3 days - but that was also in black and white. I have never seen colored aura till now(in fact I gave up after a while as seeing that had no practical outcome).
Paul - I need to check on OBE - suggest a good pointer on practicing it - if you have one. |
Edited by - aditya on Nov 23 2006 08:16:08 AM |
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lucidinterval1
USA
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Posted - Nov 23 2006 : 12:54:29 PM
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OK aditya,
Here's a trick that I've discovered. If I wake up in the middle of the night after getting several hours of rest, but not fully recharged, I get up and move around a little. Maybe get a drink of water, then lay back down and begin some visualization exercizes. These could be concentrating on each chakra up and down the spine visualizing the colors and meanings of each or maybe I envision myself getting out of bed and walking around and going outside for a walk. I try to visualize as accurately as possible. Then after 10 or 15 minutes of this, an OBE will occur. That's really all there is to it. My body has to be tired enough and my mind needs to be alert enough for it to happen.
Hope that helps.
With Peace,
Paul
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aditya
82 Posts |
Posted - Nov 23 2006 : 1:28:46 PM
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| Paul I got your point. I also felt a pressure on Agya chakra with each round of spinal breathing and then in one go the plane took off... |
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Nov 23 2006 : 2:05:23 PM
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| Where did you go? |
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aditya
82 Posts |
Posted - Nov 23 2006 : 5:25:38 PM
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Christi: If your question is for me, then:
Check my first post in this thread, I am still not sure about its being OBE, I am explaining how it happened in order to draw parallel with other's experiences!  |
Edited by - aditya on Nov 23 2006 6:41:11 PM |
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Nov 23 2006 : 9:57:56 PM
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Hi Aditya,
What a great experience:
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Aditya wrote:
Few days ago I saw actual Sun behind two mountains, a river, perhaps birds and trees. I watch it from a distance. It appears a rising Sun or a setting one - I have no clue what it is. This happened few times in one sitting and another few in other sitting. I cannot see this as per my wish - actually when I see it - I have no feeling of myself. It comes and goes out. It is awesome - take my words - I cannot describe it. It is so peaceful.
It sounds like you had a vision of one of the lokas (other worlds). It has happened to me. It is really beautiful isn't it? Did you notice that the light has a different quality about it, like you could just gaze at it and it would always amaze you? I remember the peace too, almost like an enchantment. I could have stayed there forever.
Beautiful.
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aditya
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Posted - Nov 24 2006 : 1:59:27 PM
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| It was awesome Christi. What surprised me most was that I could see all side in on go. It was like I was looking at it from a wide angle - not 360 degree - but quite larger than my regular view. |
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Christi
United Kingdom
4429 Posts |
Posted - Nov 24 2006 : 4:24:16 PM
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Hi Aditya
I am not sure about this being an OBE either. My experience of OBE's is that there is a sensation of leaving the physical body, and then re-entering the physical body at the end. When I had this kind of vision, it was like, it came to me. I was still in my physical body. Then the physical world came back in like someone drawing a pair of curtains. But then, maybe there is more than one way to have an OBE.
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aditya
82 Posts |
Posted - Nov 24 2006 : 8:07:36 PM
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Another update: I actually saw a very bright point shape luminous object today. I was doing tratak - got into meditation - and then saw this point. It was surrounded by golden aura with black outline, filled with beyond earthly blue and violet colors like you see DNA cycles looping in animations. It was awesome - nothing else in vision. BUT a big problem - it kept swaying to right - whatever I try - it will not stop. Help needed if anyone knows how to stop it from moving right - how to keep it in center? Effect on me? A heavy head with pressure between eyebrows. Time - few minutes before 8 PM, Nov 24, 2006 - US EST.
P.S.: Did not see anything else! |
Edited by - aditya on Nov 24 2006 10:37:27 PM |
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Scott
USA
969 Posts |
Posted - Nov 24 2006 : 11:47:24 PM
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| Sounds somewhat like the star, which is discussed. Is this what you think it is, Aditya? |
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aditya
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Posted - Nov 25 2006 : 07:24:13 AM
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| Yes that seems to me what is termed as star. The difference betweem earlier ones and this one was that prior to this one - I used to see many small dots and I was unable to concentrate even for a fraction of second. This time - I just saw one light center and I could concentrate on it for a short while. :-) |
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aditya
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Posted - Nov 29 2006 : 06:55:11 AM
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I see that spot rotating clockwise from my side. I have read it in several places that it should be other way round. How ae you folks seeing it - clockwise or anticlockwise?
Fix for swaying vision - you need to 'see' with the side in which spot moves. You may lose the sight of it altogether but eventually it will dance in front of your eyes - steadily. But time for answer to my question now! Anyone? |
Edited by - aditya on Nov 29 2006 07:15:05 AM |
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aditya
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Posted - Dec 01 2006 : 12:25:32 PM
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I am posting this for someone who may visit these pages in future looking for answers to the same questions!
Once the spot gets rotating in the center - it revolves both ways - clockwise as well as anti-clockwise. You need to check it twice with one breathe each. (or one cycle each). Perhaps there are two spots (or stars) - moving in opposite directions - one for each eye and they are out of focus. Whenever you see both together (get in focus) - then you see something very different - it is a beauty. What is it? Well, I will leave it for the time being - if I tell you may be biased and try to see it. Let it come naturally.
Maybe there is something beyond this as well - so let me continue on!
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Scott
USA
969 Posts |
Posted - Dec 01 2006 : 1:23:47 PM
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| You asked how others see it. I am not sure if I actually see the star, but most of the time I do see a spot of light. It changes colors. I haven't noticed it rotating, or if there are two that come together. Sometimes there are multiple spots. Shweta told me it may be something wrong with my vision...I think I agree with her. Seeing this thing certainly isn't helpful to me at all. |
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aditya
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Posted - Dec 01 2006 : 4:10:05 PM
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Hi Scott,
Thanks for your post - they are always helpful. If you do not mind - may I ask you - why do you think seeing was not helpful? Did you try to go beyond? Possible that if you cross - you may see something real good? |
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Scott
USA
969 Posts |
Posted - Dec 01 2006 : 9:12:02 PM
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I don't mind...I guess the only really helpful thing is for me to stop wanting to see something really good. It'd be helpful if I didn't need such things...if I could be at peace without any spiritual experience. I did try to go beyond...had some weird mystical experiences, but nothing that I found worthwhile.
I figure, if I see heaven in an out of body experience, I will still have my bad feelings and I will still come back to this human body on this earth and "chop wood and carry water".
So I guess the only thing I find helpful from any spiritual practice is the satisfaction and contentment I feel...not any experiences. But to each his own. |
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sadhak
India
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Posted - Jul 01 2007 : 11:49:34 PM
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Hi Aditya, Scott, anybody who's still looking at this,
I was doing a search for 'tratak' on the forum, and came upon this thread.
Interesting that you are doing tratak and see all those lights. Tratak opens up that sort of internal vision. Of course, from the pov of ayp, you just disregard it. gaze and move on. Getting entangled with the 'scenery' will make you stop your car. And we all want to keep moving on.
My interest in tratak is to see whether it is a valid add on to our current practices since it augments sambhavi. I am not actively practicing sambhavi, but it comes on automatically now and then, and I don't deliberately move away from it, if it is for short seconds.
What sort of tratak do you do? Would be glad to know of anybody's practice notes on this wrt ayp meditation. |
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - Jul 02 2007 : 01:38:57 AM
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It's good to bear in mind that visions, automatic yogas, sounds, etc, that happen in practices are just manifestations of obstructions being cleared out. As Yogani says, they're not of great significance, it's just side effect.
In fact, they can be a problem if they distract your attention (they're like sirens), or if they become things that you feel like you need to have happen for your meditation to be right. It's all stuff to let go of, and simply let the mantra do you as the cosmic barber trims your hair. |
Edited by - Jim and His Karma on Jul 02 2007 01:40:27 AM |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Jul 02 2007 : 8:56:19 PM
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| I had a similar vision; someone was blowing a huge, beautiful bubble, then this guy walked by and popped it! |
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aditya
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Posted - Jul 03 2007 : 10:45:50 PM
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Hi Sadhak - accomplished one!
I cannot suggest if there is any value addition with tratak. But one thing is for sure - it helps with sinus. Mine used to open up in few minutes. The after effect of tratak was that I would see a light wherever I place my vision in next few hours.
I was regular in tratak because I wanted to know what is in it! I found it interesting whenever I did it. Imagine a light moving in front of your eyes without any light source and only you can see it. Another thing that happened is that now in last few months I am able to see light in meditation without effort. Sometime even by closing my eye - I am able to see bright yellow light. The size is roughly that of a small apple or maybe a little smaller. Take it a larger lemon for better measures. But nothing changes in life really. Another thing that might interest you and if you come across any article stating this narration - let me know. When I was regular in tratak some sort of yellow light would start coming out of the body. Mine was finger tips where it happened. I searched net but could not find anything. The light would come at its own and you cannot control it. Once I was chatting with my wife and I had put my hand on a paper that I was reading, she jumped and said that she thinks some light or shade is coming from my finger tips. I had never told her this as I was afraid that she would think I am nuts. (well that I am anyway). It happens even now but with much diminished frequency.
My tratak was simple - take a candle light it. Put it in a clean place. I would use our praying area. I do not do prayers, so for me it was a different experience - sitting in front of pictures which were not so meaningful for me. But I had no aversion either. I would sit in easy clothes and would watch flame for as long as I can. Best has been around 15 minutes, but median was around 8-12 minutes. Initially it was less than a minute but it increase very fast - 5-6 is easy to attain then you need more self control and you will have to push yourself. When you reach 10+ - you will need to maintain it. After a while it becomes easy for you. Pranayam helped a lot in setting the stage. In fact a good deal of Pranayam (20 minutes) will make a big difference. I think spinal breathing will do the same on your body and so will Yoganidra. But for me Pranayam worked better.
If I will have a reason to go back to Tratak - I will. Even if I don't get a reason - I will do it when I find uninterrupted time of 30 minutes and a calm mind + awake body. It is hard for me due to my other obligations with life(call Karma).
Hope this helps.
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Originally posted by sadhak
Hi Aditya, Scott, anybody who's still looking at this,
I was doing a search for 'tratak' on the forum, and came upon this thread.
Interesting that you are doing tratak and see all those lights. Tratak opens up that sort of internal vision. Of course, from the pov of ayp, you just disregard it. gaze and move on. Getting entangled with the 'scenery' will make you stop your car. And we all want to keep moving on.
My interest in tratak is to see whether it is a valid add on to our current practices since it augments sambhavi. I am not actively practicing sambhavi, but it comes on automatically now and then, and I don't deliberately move away from it, if it is for short seconds.
What sort of tratak do you do? Would be glad to know of anybody's practice notes on this wrt ayp meditation.
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