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emc
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 Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 04:57:14 AM
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Here are a bunch of quotes that gives me headache. I don’t get it. We are both local beings and non-local beings. We have a personal physical body, a personal etheric body – energy anatomy with chakras etc – and a higher self, spirit, consciousness, oneness... These three levels are ruled by their own laws, so to speak. I just don’t get it how the energies are able to move or not move from one level to next or from one person to next. It is a total mish mash in my head and I would appreciate any thoughts that may bring more clarity to me.
From the internet (don’t remember the address)
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Each soul has a certain percentage of male energy and female energy, regardless of the gender of the physical body. For example, a man or a woman might have thirty-three percent male energy/sixty-seven percent female energy.
Male energy is directed, focused, goal-oriented, productive, and outward-thrusting or positive-charged (as in a magnet). It corresponds with linear, left-brained thinking, and with doing. Female energy is creative, process-oriented, unstructured, and inward-drawing or negative-charged. Theoretically, total female energy is radiant in all directions at once, and total male energy is laser beam-like, completely focused, but we are all a blend of these two to some extent.
The male body is designed to put male energy forward, and the female body is designed to put female energy forward, so there is a masculinity just from being in a male body, even when the soul is high in female energy, and vice versa.
Male/female energy ratio has little to do with societal concepts about masculinity and femininity. A man can be masculine, in terms of how most Americans think of it, and have higher female energy--he will likely be more laid back and less career-oriented than if he had higher male energy. Having high male energy doesn't necessarily look like our culture's definition of masculinity. One can be gentle and sweet and have high male energy. In general, the expression and inspiration roles look more feminine, so a higher male energy priest might look less masculine than a higher female energy warrior, according to our societal stereotypes.
http://www.deeptrancenow.com/sexmagnetism.htm
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Sexual energy is the essence of vitality - and what you can do with it may be yet beyond your wildest imagination. People who have an abundance of sexual energy have not only greater sexual appeal, but also a greater appetite for life, greater confidence. They find it easier to get what they desire in life because they become naturally magnetic and people like to be around them. Around some intensely sexually magnetic people you can almost feel electric sparks and you'd just love to share those fireworks.
Some people channel their sexual energy into sexual pursuits, some into business pursuits and some like to use it for healing, rejuvenation and for spiritual pursuits. You can use the techniques you learn in this program to improve in some way every area of your life, whether you'd like the opposite sex to fly to you like bees fly to honey and embark upon sensual adventures, or upon successful business adventures or even spiritual adventures.
What Techniques Will You Learn with These Recordings?
You will learn how to:
Develop Sexually Magnetic Personality
Generate Sexual Energy
Project Sexual Energy to One Person or to a Group of People
Project Sexual Energy through your eyes, handshake, others parts of your body, or simply with your mind
Project Sexual Energy to a person (or people) who is present
Project Sexual Energy to a person who is physically absent - also known as "Remote Seduction"
Establish Rapport with another person
Pace and Lead another person
Read Sexual Body Language
Use Sexual Body Language to Establish Sexual Rapport
Use Essential Hypnotic Language Patterns
Mentally Activate and Stimulate the Sexual Energy Center of another person
Create a Sexually Magnetic Aura around you
Yogani T39
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Pornography itself is only imagery. It is designed to be sexually
stimulating, and nothing else. So may be a provocatively dressed
member of the opposite sex strolling down the street.
Quote from yahoo-group on getting excited by provocatively dressed member of the opposite sex...
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Hypersensitivity to outside female energy whatever the form it
takes on mundane levels is just K-turbo-charging you so you'll
finally find you inner woman, your Divine Beloved & make love with
her. If you re-direct that K-turbo-charge through your central
channel (sushumna), it will progessively burn the blockage that makes
your ego think the female energy is outside of you & realize that the
female energy was always in you. Of course, in this plane of
existence, the cosmic law of the miror puts some outside events,
persons via the law of synchronicity hence creating strong K-rushes
to get our attention on stuff we don't want to see & heal in us.
Katrine:
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It is realizing that I can never find myself "in the picture" (or in the world or the movie, if you like) - as an object - but all of a sudden notice - and "see" that I am the screen on which everything is projected.
Babaji:
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I am nobody and nothing. I am only like a mirror in which you can see yourself
Questions in a totally confused order:
- Are energies able to move from one person to another?
- Can I give and take energy from another person?
- How is that possible if all we do are sending projections on screens around us? A projection is only a reflection – it does not add anything to me that I did not already have myself.
- What on earth is the quote above about saying you can “project” sexual energy on someone else and in that way influence that person? What is then the definition of projection?
- Are my projections influencing MY energies or the other persons energies? Or both? And if I influence others energies – what is the difference from actually moving/giving/taking a certain amount of energy or just stirring the other persons own energies? What is a projection??????
- In healing you pass on divine energies to someone else. So it must be possible to give and take energies without any projection.
- Yogani says in #124 that energies may come from inside or outside...
- How are male/female energies related to kundalini? Is it possible to say “Lots of sexual energy in him” and sense that it is specifically male or female?
- Is it possible to sense if other persons have more male or female energies in them independent of looks? Is that dependent on outer signs as dressing or looks or sex appeal? The quotes above are paradoxical on this issue. Can I with closed eyes sense whether someone’s energies are feminine or masculine? Or is that judgement totally dependent on MY OWN projections?
- Is it possible to feel if a person have more or less kundalini flow? Is open or not?
- My experience tells me many persons may seem to be very sexy but be totally blocked sexually and have no flow at all. How is that? Why are they perceived as “radiating lots of sexual energy”? Is that only projections from the persons perceiving them as sexual, as suggested above in one quote?
- How do energies behave in groups? Groups enhances energies. Is it multiple projections causing that, or what? I have heard the group functions as a cell - we more become one. What happens no my personal etheric body in a group?
Let’s start there. I am mostly interested in pure energy theory and how these paradoxes may be understood.
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riptiz
United Kingdom
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Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 05:52:07 AM
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Wow,
Lot of questions here.I'll attempt to answer some of them within the framework of my experience.Before I start may I make an observation regarding the second quote about the use and training in sexual energy.To me this is an obvious attempt to persuade someone to part with money as they are promoting 'Sexual energy'. Why not simply talk of energy like most others do.Do they think they have any greater things to offer than anyone else, well I doubt if they have.There are hundreds of sites like this on the net making all sorts of claims and all attached to money.Right got that off my chest.
Q- Are energies able to move from one person to another?
A- Yes energies do move between people constantly. We are simply electrical energy as spoken of by Einstein E=MC2.
Q-Can I give and take energy from another person?
A-Yes , you can give energy to another both consciously and unconsciously. It will become an excessive drain on personal energies eventually and will slow your path down.
If you take from another consciously you are regarded as an energy vampire and it's not a very nice action.If they are full of garbage you will take on that also.It is believed we are all one collective consciousness and that is how we are all linked on a subtle level.Others who have more knowledge of Quantum physics might want to expand on this.
Q- What on earth is the quote above about saying you can “project” sexual energy on someone else and in that way influence that person? What is then the definition of projection?
A- When sending energies to another it depends on what intent you send those energies.eg. If I was sending 'healing'(ie energies) to a person , normally I would simply ask God to give them what they needed and send the energies with that intent.Now if they had for example an injury to a joint I may send the enregies with the intent (and visualisation)of manipulating the joint depending on what the actual injury was.Now if you take others who may be attempting to influence another they would use the intent to the result they are looking for. This is obviously abuse but there are people who can do this and do.For anyone who doubts this I can tell you that I personally can and have(with permission) worked on others chakras and energy systems.The results from this are normally greater on someone who is not(a) athletic,(b) ill, (c)never worked in energy system work before.People who meditate, practice Tai chi, or martial arts normally have greater purification and therefore do not see as great a result.People who work extensively on others(and therefore give up their personal energy,including energy workers)have greater blockages to their chakras and energy systems and see greater results.
I hope this answers some of your questions.Phew I'm worn out now .LOL
L&L
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Shanti
USA
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Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 10:57:39 AM
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Wow, lots of energy questions EMC. I don't have answers.. I am not advanced enough to feel any of these things.. and I don't have book knowledge of any of these. But I hope you don't mind.. but I am going to add a question to this list... actually not a question, an incident.
In India, we do pranam by touching the feet of someone older than you or someone advanced in the spiritual path.. and they bless you. We had some famous guru guy come to our local temple here. OK.. sorry guys.. I don't remember his name.
This was during the peak of my depression.. I knew medications were not doing anything and I really was looking for divine guidance at that point. So I was at this temple and this guru guy did a prayer service and talked.. and it was very pleasant. He was then talking to people and people were touching his feet and he was blessing them.
So I went to touch his feet.. he moved back and lifted his hand to.. ummm.. not sure..bless me or tell me stay away.... he wouldn't let me touch him and wouldn't touch me.. I felt very insulted.. Of course being in a depression did not help much.. had all these ideas in my head of how evil I was.. and how bad an aura I must have had.. etc...
I have often wondered what made him do that.. did I have so much negative energy around me at that point that he sensed it and did not want me to be anywhere near him?
I guess Dave your reply above answers my question too..
"-Can others sense this energy?"
"Dave said: -Yes , you can give energy to another both consciously and unconsciously. It will become an excessive drain on personal energies eventually and will slow your path down.
If you take from another consciously you are regarded as an energy vampire and it's not a very nice action.If they are full of garbage you will take on that also.It is believed we are all one collective consciousness and that is how we are all linked on a subtle level.Others who have more knowledge of Quantum physics might want to expand on this." |
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weaver
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Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 11:12:24 AM
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Hi EMC,
Many interesting things you bring up. I will just give my personal thoughts and comments on some of these quotes and questions that you present, rather than trying to answer them correct.
First quote:
This is one of the best descriptions I have seen of male/female energies. To me, these are primordial energies or qualities of God and the universe, designed to keep life and the whole creation in process and balance. They are designed as polarities, with one desiring to become the other, which causes attraction between male and female.
The web site is: http://www.michaelteachings.com/m-f_ratio.html
Second quote:
As Dave says, this sounds like a solicitation for their own gain to entice people to "sexually magnetize" or "project" to others, which are always desires of the lesser ego. The higher Self doesn't need to magnetize or project anything, since it already has everything.
Yogani T39:
Seems obvious. What else would it be?
Babaji:
This is how he experiences himself.
Q- How is that possible if all we do are sending projections on screens around us? A projection is only a reflection – it does not add anything to me that I did not already have myself.
A- Definition: "The process of projecting an image onto a screen or other viewing surface". This is associated with sending energy, since everything has energy. If the person receiving the projection is influenced by it, this is equivalent to the person absorbing the energy contained in the projection.
Q- Are my projections influencing MY energies or the other persons energies? Or both?
A- Both.
Q- How are male/female energies related to kundalini? Is it possible to say “Lots of sexual energy in him” and sense that it is specifically male or female?
A- I don't see male/female energies as they were described above as related to kundalini or sexual energy. I see them more as qualities. However, kundalini or sexual energy can be described as the feminine energy in every man or woman, as a counterpart to Shiva, the masculine.
Q- Is it possible to sense if other persons have more male or female energies in them independent of looks?
A- Possibly. If you can determine to what extent they exhibit the attributes of male vs. female energy.
Q- Is it possible to feel if a person have more or less kundalini flow? Is open or not?
A- I believe so, if you have developed such a sensitivity.
Q- My experience tells me many persons may seem to be very sexy but be totally blocked sexually and have no flow at all. How is that? Why are they perceived as “radiating lots of sexual energy”? Is that only projections from the persons perceiving them as sexual, as suggested above in one quote?
A- If a person seems to be sexy that's an image formed in your own mind. That image is influenced by your own psychology and energies. It may not be related to their own actual flow. Reading others or our surroundings accurately will not be possibly until we have purified our nervous system.
Q- How do energies behave in groups? Groups enhances energies. Is it multiple projections causing that, or what? I have heard the group functions as a cell - we more become one. What happens no my personal etheric body in a group?
A- Yes, I believe groups enhance energies the way you say. |
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Scott
USA
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Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 11:25:25 AM
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Shanti,
I had a similar experience in church, where we were taking communion. The pastor was giving the crackers to everyone, and saying "This is the body of Jesus Christ". When he went up to me he looked kind of startled and said "This is the body of our Lord". It was just kind of an awkward moment.
Anyway, about the topic at hand...I think the longer we practice AYP, the more we will know about these things...like energy work. And our intentions will also be pure enough to be able to have the knowledge. It's not something you can really learn about from someone else, in my opinion. It has to be revealed directly to you. If you learn about it from someone else, you will set up beliefs about it that will corrupt your learning and progress. |
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VIL
USA
586 Posts |
Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 12:20:03 PM
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emc,
I would recommend that you read the Kybalion, since I think that your questions will be answered:
I. The Principle of Mentalism:
"The All is the Mind; The Universe is Mental". - The Kybalion.
II. The Principle of Correspondence:
"As above, so below; as below, so above". - The Kybalion.
III. The Principle of Vibration:
"Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates" - The Kybalion.
IV. The Principle of Polarity:
"Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled." - The Kybalion.
V. The Principle of Rhythm:
"Everything flows out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates. - The Kybalion.
VI. The Principle of Cause and Effect:
"Every cause has its effect; every effect, has its cause. Everything happens according to Law; Chance is but a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law." - The Kybalion.
VII. The Principle of Gender:
"Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all planes". - The Kybalion.
http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/kybalion.pdf
VIL
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emc
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Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 1:41:47 PM
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Thank you all! Please continue to brainstorm with me!
A small side track:
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V. The Principle of Rhythm:
"Everything flows out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates. - The Kybalion.
This is another knot I carry regarding the film The Secret. If people start manifesting getting cars, houses, sexy women, money etc it seems very selfish. Won't the pendulum law make all that disappear eventually? But they say in the film that if you just get the trick you can manifest anything all your life. I thought only manifestations that were in harmony with the One would actually come true, unselfish wishes. But in the film they claim the opposite... *sigh*
Weaver
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A- If a person seems to be sexy that's an image formed in your own mind. That image is influenced by your own psychology and energies. It may not be related to their own actual flow. Reading others or our surroundings accurately will not be possibly until we have purified our nervous system.
Then that would mean it is a projection in the same meaning as the bold text in one of the qoutes. That the energy that is felt is in one's own body. It is no sexual energy transmitted from that person! It is just an image, like Yogani also says. Imaging. Not actual sexual energies moving...
(I know that these energy questions, chakras etc, is not in accordance with AYP - I am looking in the car motor.  But it gives me a headache right now, so I am asking anyway.)
I'll read kybalion now... be right back 
PS: quote:
A- Yes energies do move between people constantly. We are simply electrical energy as spoken of by Einstein E=MC2.
My initials of my first three names are actually emc... =) Synchronicity. Hahaha! I have always suffered from a natural science complex...
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2006 : 03:00:08 AM
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I think I'm getting it... I quickly just flew through the Kybalion, and I will definitely dig more into that, but it gave me some important hints, telling about all the different levels of vibrations.
I asked for guidance on this before I went to bed and this is what I feel is the case this morning.
If I use the model of three levels, both the physical and etherical energy levels are based on the ego experiencing. Since it is the ego - perceiving itself to be separated from the whole - energy is perceived as something on the outside influencing you as a separate object . When the awareness of the third level is present, the knowing that we are all actually linked together in a big web of energies, the knowing that we have the whole universe inside ourselves or rather that we ARE the whole universe itself  , then it is irrelevant to perceive energies as something influencing from the outside. Who is there to be influenced?
Compare with the particle-wave paradox in physics. You create your own reality. If you want to see photons as particles - they are! If you want to see them as waves - they are! The level of energy perception is in accordance with the level of purification and awareness.
I see this reflected in people around me. My atheist friends live in a physical world. Then that is for real! My new age friends live in a world where energy experiences are real. They go to courses and get heart openings, giving them a feeling of "oneness", but after the course they go home and fall down into depression. They have not found the inner source of the love they feel in company of others on courses and camps. They believe in archetypes, angels, are obsessed with light and darkness, they are afraid of dark entities disturbing their lives, they admire healers who have special powers to GIVE them something, they have thousands of different names of different kinds of energies and explanations of what area of the universe it comes from. In summary: They move on the second level, where the astral world is real, where our thoughts and feelings create lots of mysterious and complex energy patterns. The key word is that they experience all this as egos - as separate units.
I seem to have been able to skip that phase in my life. For example, as soon as I learned that "evil" and "the darkness" was just a product of our own fears, created by thoughts and emotions, I dismissed any power such energy forms may try to have over me. Gandhis words helped me understand this:
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The only devils in the world are those running around in our own hearts and that is where all our battles ought to be fought
Course leaders playing with energies are totally different from Satsang leaders. Adyashanti, Bernie Prior, the one Katrine met... They don't create conditions with energies to make people feel good. They talk directly on and from level 3. They reach the core.
So, AYP is not interested in "looking under the hood". No wonder! Why engage in level 2 when one could focus on level 3? Everything on level 2 is for real, sure! But is it relevant? Not if you focus on level 3.
So the quotes that gave me headache move on different levels. The sex magic is on level 2 and that's why many of you just sort of dismissed it. When the ego thinks energies are there to fulfill your needs in some way, sex magic is real. Then energies are able to move from person to person. Energy vampires exist etc. It is the "particle"-perspective. Then, for example, sexy women are "sending" sexual energies around for people to pick up.
When talking about projections we are on level 3. We take the "wave"-perspective. Energies always move, we are projectors projecting on screens around us, but the important thing is not looking out to see the film that is being created by our own and others projections. It is more relevant to look inside and discover the inner experiences of it all. To see what it is all about. To stay home. Then, sexy women are only images, screens reflecting a personal thought of what is sexy and stirring the energy in the projecting body.
But some questions remain... Kundalini - is it male or female? The energy raising from the root, ecstatic energy - is that female? The energy from the ajna, awareness - is that male? Shiva-shakti? Which is kundalini? Both?
/emc, Einstein reincarnated - don't u think?
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Katrine
Norway
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Posted - Oct 15 2006 : 07:51:39 AM
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Hi All
A lot of energy here, emc
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I know that these energy questions, chakras etc, is not in accordance with AYP - I am looking in the car motor. But it gives me a headache right now, so I am asking anyway.
I know nothing of these things. But I'm pulled to respond anyway. I cannot answer your questions, emc. But please clarify: What happens to you if I tell you that any answer to your questions serves as a veil to the direct experience that you really desire? Have you asked yourself why the answers to these questions are so important to you? What is it you think you will get from these answers? I reckognize the headache  It happens to me when I try to mentally understand the fact of life.....before directly experiencing it. No wonder your head hurts
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It is more relevant to look inside and discover the inner experiences of it all. To see what it is all about. To stay home.
Exactly. I don't "look inside". I stop looking....am quiet....I stop dead...I accept the wave of me dying down (which is happening all the time anyway)....and instead of riding the next wave as the wave, I stay home and let the "leaving wave" happen inside of this. I don't hinder the next wave....I just let it go on its merry trip. It doesn't matter, when I am everywhere, does it? It is happening on the surface.
In quietude is clarity - how can it not be?
I am quiet - not to see "what it is all about" (this is a desire for security, a "final knowing") - but simply to see what is. What always is.
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But some questions remain... Kundalini - is it male or female? The energy raising from the root, ecstatic energy - is that female? The energy from the ajna, awareness - is that male? Shiva-shakti? Which is kundalini? Both?
Again - I can only honestly tell you that these questions postponed my direct experience. Now it makes no difference what concepts fits best. Concepts are already limited. I love the taste of Life...not the discription of it. Life is unlimited presence. In my experience, any calculation on how to "use" Life in order to understand (taste) Life manifests frustration. It may buy me "peace" and "happiness" for a moment or two - but soon I'm off again for new answers. I grew tired of it, emc. You have a brilliant intellect. But it is not your brain that will supply you with truth.
When my brains work overtime, it is usually because not doing anything unveils an inner emptiness. I then try to fill this inner emptiness with the hunt for "answers". Like I said - it "works" in a way - but it has its price:
You spend energy looking for answers. Or rather: you spend energy looking for energy. The outcome is nil
As for the "sending of healing energy" - all I can say, is that during the years at the clinic, the spontanious healings that took place there did not involve "sending" anything. On the contrary - I receive. I don't send.
Now .....here is constant receiving. Receiving, receiving and receiving leads to a spilling over that continues as long as I am in the receiving "mode": Home. If I "leave" home (by "taking the reigns in my own hands", or "ride the wave as wave"), the spilling over lessens. And the instant I "block" the gate of receiving - I meet the limitations "out there". Walls. Other waves. These are projections. They are needed. How else am I going to "see" what I need in order to return home?
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2006 : 10:45:10 AM
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Katrine, thank you!
It must be difficult for you to try to explain what is not possible to explain. I know questions wont *beep* me home. I soon don't know how to express myself, because you seem to be wanting to correct any kind of expression chosen. Since I do not perceive myself at home I have to express myself as if I am not "there". Please, be patient with my wrong way of expressing. When I stay home I will express myself better. But I have a feeling I know what you are aiming at.
Before staying home there are many questions. I allow myself to have them, but I don't take them all too serious.
I see now that I have formulated me in a way that may be causing misinterpretations. When I said I had "skipped that phase" I did not mean "level 2" all together of course. I am still THINKING and feeling separated, living the ego, trying to deal with things with my mind to a great extent instead of experiencing and being. What I was thinking of was getting stuck in the new age world and its many mysteries.
Again, it is always great to read your posts, Katrine!
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VIL
USA
586 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2006 : 11:45:35 AM
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Hey, emc, you have some interesting insights. You too, Katrine: [Although, I don't understand your experience, Katrine, since I'm not "there", I guess you could say].
Anyway, some say that the Kundalini Energy is considered "female" in different spiritual texts. Some state that it is the same as Sophia [wisdom], as listed in the book of Proverbs. Some say that it's just energy that we need to direct, or ignore, as part of a purifying process. Some say that this isn't accurate that the Kundalini posesses supreme intelligence and knows what it's doing all on its own; hence, it "knows" how to unblock energy.
My understanding is that noone has all the answers, myself included. Different paths lead to the same destination and I think it's important to keep learning, growing, sharing experiences/teachings of others.
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Katrine
Norway
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Posted - Oct 15 2006 : 1:05:07 PM
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Hi All
emc wrote:
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Since I do not perceive myself at home I have to express myself as if I am not "there".
VIL wrote:
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Although, I don't understand your experience, Katrine, since I'm not "there", I guess you could say].
It is not "there". It is right here.
I want for you to just BE HERE too. That's all. Forget about "not there" or "there". You already express yourself HERE. That's obvious - is it not?
I can understand how you feel yourself "corrected". It is a "correction" in a way. But not a correction of expression. Just a stating of the fact that you don't need to be "there" in order to perceive that you are HERE. I love it when you express yourself....no matter what you say. You inspire me. All of you. The inspiration is what makes me respond.
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VIL
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2006 : 1:21:15 PM
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Hey, Katrine, no problem, I stand corrected. Guess I'm not in the moment enough - to the point that I can say that I'm truly present, not in the past or future with my thoughts.
I remember, when I was young, what it felt to be truly in the moment/present. I specifically recall forgetting myself and enjoying my friends, experiences, and the feeling of inclusion/onement. I guess life happened and the mental conditioning became habit.
To me, that's what being in the moment is, not separation, but being with people, forgetting ourselves, thoughts, etc.
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Anthem
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Posted - Oct 15 2006 : 10:59:35 PM
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Hi Katrine,
Very illuminating post, so many great insights (as usual) thank you for it.
EMC,
I love your mind and the way you are searching for the truth, my mind worked the same way for so many years, always trying to rationalize and figure things out, I often got headaches trying! It probably still does this from time to time, I just realize that it is a form of just going in circles now.
At some point I gave the "trying to figure things out" thing up, I can even remember when. I used to write everything down and think and think until I thought I figured it out (whatever that was) and came up with some great theory that was my answer to everything and so it was for at least a little while...
Then that great theory didn't seem to answer everything and so on to the next "great theory" which worked well enough for a while too etc. etc. It was all an attempt on my part to figure things out and make sense of it all.
Today? I don't think I know anything about anything and some times even less than that! I realize that my mind can only "guess" about things I haven't experienced first hand. Interesting insight that has meaning to me comes from the direct experience of living it or knowing from experiencing it. I don't think we can know all the answers and I have given up trying. Life is so much easier this way!
What might be a more interesting question for you to answer, like Katrine suggests, might be in determining what is at the root of all the energy you put into formulating all the above questions?
But keep in mind we already established I don't know anything!
peace and love to you,
A
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Neesha
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Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 12:26:18 AM
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Honestly whoever you are I really adore you......
Keep the interesting posts coming...
Namaste |
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 09:37:26 AM
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| Hm. I think the reason why I ask is lack of faith in my intuition and inner knowing. When I have discussions with others, particularly my partner, I intuitively feel how things are. When I am in presence I definitely have no questions at all. But I become insecure. My mind is fostered and raised by academical research work and the most important question to ask oneself is "What if I am wrong? What if things are exactly the opposite from what I believe?" Trying to see things from all angles without biases, predjudices, assumptions... So when I feel that I have an inner knowing, someone else is cock sure and claims something else, then I hesitate and move from intuition to mind, trying to sort things out. Instead of staying present and just know - or don't mind at all. =) |
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Wolfgang
Germany
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Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 11:42:30 AM
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Hi emc,
(or should I say "Dear Mrs. Einstein" )
No, seriously now:
instead of asking yourself "What if I am wrong", a better
approach would be to say "Ok, I don't have the whole picture,
but I am sure the other person doesn't have it either.
I am sure that I do have a certain aspect of truth,
and the other person also has a certain aspect of truth.
I do not need to be afraid of "being wrong",
I can only gain in experience looking at the various
aspects of truth."
Concerning your questions and the whole topic: most interesting
and one of my favourite topics !
Energy projection: if we are just projecting in our mind,
then I believe we are only pouring out energy into a vast ocean,
and we have no knowledge of where our energy goes and what
it does.
Energy projection needs communication between at least 2 persons.
We are both a sender and a receiver at the same time. When there is
enough common understanding between 2 persons then there is energy
exchange, the better those 2 persons are tuned into each other,
the better the energy exchange (we are on the same wavelength).
So, communication seems to me to be a very crucial factor,
and this is what I am doing here: communicating
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Neesha
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Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 11:45:25 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by emc
Hm. I think the reason why I ask is lack of faith in my intuition and inner knowing. When I have discussions with others, particularly my partner, I intuitively feel how things are.
Hmmmmmmmmm Mr emc,
Whatever is occuring with me............my intuition is my number one guide......From experience dealing with people, it is intuition that guides me.......How do I know I am correct......I experience divine consciousness (this is where helping others are concerned)
At home my family and neighbours call me ever so often to locate misplaced items........which i do successfully locate.........
With my ex partner.......I used to tell him who he was with after coming home to me(I was correct with even her name)..........I used to feel the same way also
I came up with a little yes and no technique I use to communicate with the spirit.........sometimes the answer comes too fast...many times I misinterpret .............all the time my intuition is 100% percent correct.
As for the questions you asked up above here's "some" of my experience
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Neesha
215 Posts |
Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 12:29:23 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by emc
Are energies able to move from one person to another?
Yes this occur....
Once I gave a "cedar"(sort of like alms)to the shakti lady in the temple............upon bowing and touching her feet (this is a hindu custom for blessings) she started speaking in Hindi and touched my head I felt something really nice enter my crown .....I tried to move but she held me there gently of course....man I wanted to run.....anyways something definitely was transfered
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Can I give and take energy from another person?
During jaap by slow movement with my eyes close I somehow automatically face the murtis and many times while facing the Lord Shiva murti I experience pain both hands starting with the left (i call this power up) after this I would go .........through guidance by intuition to the affected person.....Basically energy is filtered through me to assist the person.....what comes out of the person eventually come into me and then goes up..........this occurs only the Ashram. This occurred with my Guru and I think I took some from him also...
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How is that possible if all we do are sending projections on screens around us? A projection is only a reflection – it does not add anything to me that I did not already have myself.
hey this is possible I cannot explain it
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What on earth is the quote above about saying you can “project” sexual energy on someone else and in that way influence that person?
What is then the definition of projection?
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Are my projections influencing MY energies or the other persons energies? Or both? And if I influence others energies – what is the difference from actually moving/giving/taking a certain amount of energy or just stirring the other persons own energies?
I love it ........yes your projections can indeed influence the other person......more like mind control......I have no idea how it works I use it all the time especially when devotoees are taking a really long time to acknowledge God in their life....and direct energies to make them want God come into their life ......Once in the Ashram after a long while a gentleman came very late.....I sensed he had a problem and was a real troublemaker.........
I got up (not me wanting to) and slowly went over to him and asked in my mind to ask God to come into your heart(his heart)...........boy he took a loooong time to do this ......eventually when he did.......I received that tingly stuff and my hand reached out and passed near(never touching) his face like a mother would to her son.... lovingly.Months after he hesitated to talk to me ....when he did ....he said
" I used to be a troublemaker in my younger days but that day when you came near me I asked God to please come into my heart"......"and when I said that you touched me on my face"(I never touched the man,that was the energy thingy he felt)
What is a projection??????
- In healing you pass on divine energies to someone else. So it must be possible to give and take energies without any projection.
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Yogani says in #124 that energies may come from inside or outside...
the same elements that make up your body are the same elements that are present outside....you can work in harmony with those elements
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How are male/female energies related to kundalini? Is it possible to say “Lots of sexual energy in him” and sense that it is specifically male or female?
For now Kundalini is female energies.......at least this is what I learntso far........The crown is where shiva lies....hence shakti struggles to meet shiva.
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Is it possible to sense if other persons have more male or female energies in them independent of looks? Is that dependent on outer signs as dressing or looks or sex appeal? The quotes above are paradoxical on this issue. Can I with closed eyes sense whether someone’s energies are feminine or masculine?
not too sure about this one
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Is it possible to feel if a person have more or less kundalini flow? Is open or not?
Yes it is possible
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- How do energies behave in groups? Groups enhances energies. Is it multiple projections causing that, or what? I have heard the group functions as a cell - we more become one. What happens no my personal etheric body in a group?
Energies are verrrrrrrrrryyyy strong in groups they behave...... from my experience in a positive manner.....at least it contributes to the healing atmosphere.What happens to the body......man I cannot explain that one..........but lots of things occur like more pruification ......for me make my physical and spiritual body stronger to handle the powers(well this is what they call it)My physical body also gets heavier like 20lbs in addition to my normal weight....at least I know how hanuman feels
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Let’s start there. I am mostly interested in pure energy theory and how these paradoxes may be understood.
I don't understand any theory but these are the things I experienced
I would love if you break it down into english for me......
I would also like if you can explain the string theory for me in english ...if you have the time that is
have a goodday
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VIL
USA
586 Posts |
Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 12:44:31 PM
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emc,
There's nothing wrong with seeking knowledge and thankfully some of our greatest accomplishments came from people people who were innovative thinkers, creative mavericks, inventors, etc.; much of which have helped millions of people. This includes those pioneers of inner experience, which are the foundation of all of the AYP practices. There's no need to rationalize why you are searching for knowledge or to be apologetic. It's a noble thing to broaden your horizons and maybe some day your inquiries will intrinsically develop into something altruistic that will help many people rather than focusing on ones self.
VIL
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 3:46:19 PM
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riptiz
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Yes , you can give energy to another both consciously and unconsciously. It will become an excessive drain on personal energies eventually and will slow your path down.
If you take from another consciously you are regarded as an energy vampire and it's not a very nice action.If they are full of garbage you will take on that also.
Slow my path down? But my higher self is not able to get "wounded" in any way? It is eternal. Everything is exactly as it should be and what happens is meant to happen... Paradox. Great thanks for your reply, by the way. I hoped you would answer, and you were the first one to reply! Mind creates reality... did you feel influenced?
Weaver
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This is one of the best descriptions I have seen of male/female energies. To me, these are primordial energies or qualities of God and the universe, designed to keep life and the whole creation in process and balance. They are designed as polarities, with one desiring to become the other, which causes attraction between male and female. - - - I don't see male/female energies as they were described above as related to kundalini or sexual energy. I see them more as qualities. However, kundalini or sexual energy can be described as the feminine energy in every man or woman, as a counterpart to Shiva, the masculine.
Hm. Yes, I also liked the description. I have seen many similar. It seems to hold one part of the truth. It would explain homosexuality very easily. The balance of male-female energies rules attraction independent of sex. It also explains many relationship difficulties. If a man cannot hold a high male energy level he will either attract a woman with high male energy, or "force" the woman to become higher in male energy to keep the balance. I experience this very clearly. It is fun to notice how the energy levels dances and creates different approaches to situations.
I also believe that everything is male-female polarized and that kundalini is female in essence, but independent of which body it lives in. There is no special kind of female sexual energy reserved for women. It is the same sexual energy in men.
Wolfgang,
The "what if I am wrong" question is a basic one in research. It has nothing to do with being afraid of being wrong. It is purely mind excercise invented by Carl Popper - the falsification principle. You can never prove anything, only falsify that something is the way you think it is. When you make experiments you never show how IT IS, only how IT IS NOT! Gosh, how irrelevant it is to me nowadays... Scientific methods. I am glad I have quit. But my mind has a tape playing that track over and over again. It is a habit my mind slips into...
I now "know" there is actually nothing to know. But I cannot stop my mind from thinking there are lots of things still to find knowledge on... This starts to look as one of R D Laings psychotic poems. Meta thoughts on meta thoughts mixed with awareness. Hahaha! *mind getting amused*
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Energy projection needs communication between at least 2 persons.
We are both a sender and a receiver at the same time.
Hm. This is an interesting one... I feel something is moving on a non-verbal level when I read it. I sort of have it on the tip of my tounge... Interesting!
nsantoo,
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all the time my intuition is 100% percent correct.
THANK YOU! This is my experience as well. This may sound silly, but I have these Osho Zen Tarot cards. I use them when I am insecure to ask for guidance. They always confirm my intuitive feelings. Repeatedly, consequent and accurate - no mistakes ever! They have been a great help for me in learning to trust more and more on my intuition! Lately, when I have asked about topics "what is the issue here"? I receive cards saying "consciousness is here" "awareness is present" "you now have clarity and insight"... supporting me in trusting my inner voice.
And THANK YOU for sharing all your wonderful experiences! I can recognize similar ones!
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Basically energy is filtered through me to assist the person.....what comes out of the person eventually come into me and then goes up
When we were healing a friend of mine I just let go and followed my inner guide and let everything just happen. I felt her "dirt" was filtered through me - my head turned backwards, my mouth opened and it was a great, thick pillar coming down from above through my mouth and body and I just knew strong energies came from above, went through me and back to earth. Strong. Very strong.
VIL,
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There's no need to rationalize why you are searching for knowledge or to be apologetic. It's a noble thing to broaden your horizons and maybe some day your inquiries will intrinsically develop into something altruistic that will help many people rather than focusing on ones self.
Thank you for those kind words! My mind has a habit of apologizing... I do hope others may find something interesting in this. At least it triggers Katrine to answer, which I know is appreciated by several others.
Latest experience:
Last night I felt a bit angry over bad things in the world. Suddenly awareness hit me and I just felt such tenderness for the world. What is the point of being angry or upset? Absolutely noone! Would you be angry at a child behaving inappropriate? No, you have so much love and understanding for the child, knowing IT DOES NOT KNOW what it is doing! The same approach could be applied to all bad things in the world. Jesus said "Father, forgive them, they do not know what they are doing". That's it! I had so much love in me, I just "knew", and images of things that used to upset me the most were shown to me, and I could just let them pass with a gentle smile inside. Getting angry or upset at "them" is also futile. I had absolute knowing that all bad things I have ever done myself puts me BESIDE all others. My awareness did not put me ABOVE others. I am ONE with them - it is myself I see. I have all those inappropriate behaviors as well in me. So there is no guilt. Noone is ever guilty of anything. Not in the whole world. If Hitler would have been present in the room I would have looked gently at him and said "Thank you for manifesting pain the way you did. Pain and love is one and the same." |
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riptiz
United Kingdom
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Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 6:31:44 PM
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Hi Emc,
Slow my path down? But my higher self is not able to get "wounded" in any way? It is eternal. Everything is exactly as it should be and what happens is meant to happen... Paradox. Great thanks for your reply, by the way. I hoped you would answer, and you were the first one to reply! Mind creates reality... did you feel influenced?
When I say slow your path down I am talking of the purification process.The process of meditation creates a tremendous amount of energy which is used to purify the nervous system as a means of reaching enlightenment when the body reaches a high enough level of purification.This is simply a simplistic outline of the process but nevertheless we need all reserves of energy to gain purity.If one is constantly giving energies to others it robs them of the required energies for purification.Simply thinking of another will make a connection and a movement of energy will transpire.The other party does not have to be involved in this on a conscious level.A draining of energies is prevalent in the 'healing' community (and counselling)where 'healers' treat too many people and don't look after their own needs.This results in illness in the 'healer'. This also happens to counsellors who are too empathic with clients and drain their natural resources also leading to illness.Normal symptoms are constantly tired, neurotic, blocked chakras, depression and headaches.
I don't know about being influenced but I guess so as I was moved to give warning of giving too much of yourself energetically.BTW the above symptoms can also be noted when one absorbs too much energy at once and where the body cannot assimilate it.
L&L
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Katrine
Norway
1813 Posts |
Posted - Oct 17 2006 : 04:15:33 AM
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Hi All
quote:
Last night I felt a bit angry over bad things in the world. Suddenly awareness hit me and I just felt such tenderness for the world. What is the point of being angry or upset? Absolutely noone! Would you be angry at a child behaving inappropriate? No, you have so much love and understanding for the child, knowing IT DOES NOT KNOW what it is doing! The same approach could be applied to all bad things in the world. Jesus said "Father, forgive them, they do not know what they are doing". That's it! I had so much love in me, I just "knew", and images of things that used to upset me the most were shown to me, and I could just let them pass with a gentle smile inside. Getting angry or upset at "them" is also futile. I had absolute knowing that all bad things I have ever done myself puts me BESIDE all others. My awareness did not put me ABOVE others. I am ONE with them - it is myself I see. I have all those inappropriate behaviors as well in me. So there is no guilt. Noone is ever guilty of anything. Not in the whole world.
Great, emc
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Oct 17 2006 : 2:11:33 PM
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About being both sender and receiver... Katrine, what do you "see" when you look in the mirror?
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Katrine
Norway
1813 Posts |
Posted - Oct 17 2006 : 5:19:53 PM
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Hi emc
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About being both sender and receiver... Katrine, what do you "see" when you look in the mirror?
How strange that you should ask this question today of all days...
For a while now I have pondered the shift in perception that happens when I look at myself in the mirror. As you know by now, I love facts more than theories....so I take it you mean an ordinary mirror....
What do I see...well....this very morning a discription was beginning to formulate inside....as to what is perceived. What comes to mind first is actually "nothing". But it sounds...not quite correct. "No thing" is better. If I am silent and look at the body in the mirror, there is an immediate perception of...being "not it"....I immediately perceive...a space...an alive space...(sometimes this space is soundlessly laughing...other times it is loving...and yet other times it is soooo crisp and clear). In the perceiving of this space is also the perception that the space itself is what perceives. It is immediately established - without a shrivel of doubt - that I am this space. It is also genderless....
The body in the mirror is happening in this space. The mirror also is happening in this space. The mirror...the body...the walls....everything is seen as small ripples in the space. These ripples are seen as "not alive"....or "flat"......in, and by themselves. Not real when singled out from the space.
So....I guess what I perceive is that there is no mirror either. Simply just the open, vast, clear space. No sending.....no receiving from somewhere else either. Just the receiving of every moment as this space.
The perception of being this space happens many times during the day - but it is still not continuous. When "the world" demands all my attention, the space is not in my awareness. But neither is my body, then. Self-consciousness is very rarely here now. So it is more like I act and do things totally - and in this totality...this "not-split-ness" ....here is almost constant calm and a low "hum of joy".
Going to bed now.....thanks for asking this, emc. I enjoyed it ! |
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VIL
USA
586 Posts |
Posted - Oct 17 2006 : 6:26:14 PM
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I'm not a Bahai, but I read ALL religious, spiritual, enlightened, teachings/topics and believe there is truth in everything.
I always loved this quote:
God is pure perfection, and creatures are but imperfections. For God to descend into the conditions of existence would be the greatest of imperfections; on the contrary, His manifestation, His appearance, His rising are like the reflection of the sun in a clear, pure, polished mirror. All the creatures are evident signs of God, like the earthly beings upon all of which the rays of the sun shine. But upon the plains, the mountains, the trees and fruits, only a portion of the light shines, through which they become visible, and are reared, and attain to the object of their existence, while the Perfect Man [The Divine Manifestation.] is in the condition of a clear mirror in which the Sun of Reality becomes visible and manifest with all its qualities and perfections. So the Reality of Christ was a clear and polished mirror of the greatest purity and fineness. The Sun of Reality, the Essence of Divinity, reflected itself in this mirror and manifested its light and heat in it; but from the exaltation of its holiness, and the heaven of its sanctity, the Sun did not descend to dwell and abide in the mirror. No, it continues to subsist in its exaltation and sublimity, while appearing and becoming manifest in the mirror in beauty and perfection.
Now if we say that we have seen the Sun in two mirrors-- one the Christ and one the Holy Spirit--that is to say, that we have seen three Suns, one in heaven and the two others on the earth, we speak truly. And if we say that there is one Sun, and it is pure singleness, and has no partner and equal, we again speak truly.
The epitome of the discourse is that the Reality of Christ was a clear mirror, and the Sun of Reality--that is to say, the Essence of Oneness, with its infinite perfections and attributes--became visible in the mirror. The meaning is not that the Sun, which is the Essence of the Divinity, became divided and multiplied--for the Sun is one--but it appeared in the mirror. This is why Christ said, "The Father is in the Son," meaning that the Sun is visible and manifest in this mirror.
The Holy Spirit is the Bounty of God which becomes visible and evident in the Reality of Christ. The Sonship station is the heart of Christ, and the Holy Spirit is the station of the spirit of Christ. Hence it has become certain and proved that the Essence of Divinity is absolutely unique and has no equal, no likeness, no equivalent.
This is the signification of the Three Persons of the Trinity. If it were otherwise, the foundations of the Religion of God would rest upon an illogical proposition which the mind could never conceive, and how can the mind be forced to believe a thing which it cannot conceive? A thing cannot be grasped by the intelligence except when it is clothed in an intelligible form; otherwise, it is but an effort of the imagination.
http://bahai-library.com/writings/a.../saq/27.html
VIL
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