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NoDogma
USA
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 Posted - Jan 14 2015 : 10:07:07 PM
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I can call myself doing part AYP for about 3 years. The amount of practice varies. These days, it is mostly DM even while being lazy on bed.. or just few breaths of SBP Few times a day (for me, first kriya). it is not regular but on the whole more like an hour a day.... sometimes whole practice twice a day... My energy levels vary widely and my practice ends up being around available time, energy.
and i am not lying when I say that (more than a month now) within few breaths I can start smelling sandle wood, and couple of other fragrances. We don't have those smells around here.
it's just my brain able to imagine at the level of actually sensing it through nose. May be invoking memory to the level of sense.
For a few minutes following that , I just feel beautiful, blissful, even in the scattered room with mind full of lost love, hatred, anger, math problems unsolved, stress. I can do this even at a traffic stop (not recommended)
and that's my perception of yoga i.e. we train our brains (and nervous system) to imagine things beyond here :-)
Why won't a beggar on the streets of Mumbai say , "sir, there can not be anything wrong in my world" (I heard it on a TV show is USA about food, health)
I am glad I am not training my brain to perceive/imagine bad things, .. It is bad as it is .. No need for movies. ;-)
and now over last 3 months, I can understand music beats (I can keep beats, play electric guitar .. things like 'sunshine of your love' , solo). when I used to mess up a simplest 1-2-3-4, I can play/understand 7/4, 5/8 ... it just suddenly started becoming clearer.
and that is about 'waking up ' a different part of brain. |
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adishivayogi
USA
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Posted - Jan 14 2015 : 11:25:00 PM
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| i practise kriya yoga(similar to ayp in many ways). mahamudra, navi kriya, kriya proper, thokar, thokar adv, and tribhangamurari kriya followed by just being with slight focus on bregma. my experinces have been quite wonderful. ive experinced all sorts of things. i could probably write pages of things many new guys and lay people would find interesting. experinces get rather old though. samadhis have become very common. though there is always flucatation minus once. hopfully im there within a year or two. what i find pretty cool though is sometimes i fall into sleep paralysis n i'll go to tug myself out of it n pop i astral project. this hasnt happened during meditation , however i have read of it happening. who knows im still new to all this |
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NoDogma
USA
123 Posts |
Posted - Jan 14 2015 : 11:42:47 PM
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although I still can not see the face of upside down playing cards... my lifestyle will change that day in poker room. I promise I will fund a commune where everyone is allowed to do their own practice as long as there're no drugs, <EDIT: changed> firearms and no groupxxx :-)
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karl
United Kingdom
1812 Posts |
Posted - Jan 15 2015 : 04:46:40 AM
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Hquote:
Originally posted by Radharani
Anima,
LOVE the poem! 
Karl,
Nit-picky definitional question that is admittedly irrelevant to this discussion, but just out of curiosity: You said you used to be a "socialist" and now you are an "anarchist." Which type of anarchist? Maybe you discussed that in your book, which I still need to read. I myself am an anarchosocialist, meaning that in my ideal world of liberty and equality, everybody freely cooperates for our mutual well-being, the workers own the means of production and we make decisions democratically. I understand there are also capitalist and other types of anarchism? I'm reminded of the hilarious scene from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail":
"WOMAN: We don't have a lord.
ARTHUR: What?
DENNIS: We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
ARTHUR: Yes.
DENNIS: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting..." etc., LOL 
BTW, I find nothing in anarchism per se that would contradict the Grace and Love of God. [sorry if this is inappropriate for this thread, may need to be moved...]
Bodhi,
Love the Bruce Lee quote! I have practiced martial arts in the past and I am a big Bruce Lee fan.
Awkward. Suffice to say rendering a detailed explanation of the workings of an anarchistwould be of less value than this thread already is.  If this were an economics forum it would be pertinent. All I will say is that my anarchism isn't derived from the external, although I needed books to interpret what it was that I intuitively understood. It is an expansion from stillness.
At present we are pedaling the AYP bicycle. This is sufficient. Dig the well, then all will become clear. Seeing how everything links and is derived from the same point changes the viewer. This does not confer any advantage. The universe appears with all its glory but the underlying structure is now visible.
Anarchism is an expression of one part, but it is all parts equally and simultaneously. One thing and all things are forever linked. Not one tiny little piece can be removed. It can be seen in a flower, a rock, the sea, a dog, a man, enlightenment, Gravity, electricity, nuclear physics, quantum mechanics, economics etc one has only to look properly to see-then the study of that branch can be done if one is of a mind to undertake it.
We have become used to separating things in to objects, fields and subjects but if you have this chink of knowledge it becomes inappropriate. Everything is intuitively the same thing but perceived/experienced separately. The source is infinite but unified, the creation finite but appears infinite in our experience because it is seen through our lens of self without reference or datum.
So, with perfect knowledge ( for want of a better name ) I can see properly. This knowledge though is useless here, in this universe. It is superfluous and can make one feel extremely isolated if interaction, practices and grounding isn't continued.
It's like knowing that the Sun makes photo synthesis happen in a plant. However what use is that to a farmer who has learned, studied and has the experience of the branch called farming ? I cannot make him a better farmer, I haven't the mind or nature to be a farmer so it's useless to me also . Ask the same of enlightenment. Those that study it and know that branch and have that nature will know about those things. That I know the root of enlightenment does not help him, or those that seek it. It's like being a one dimensional personal in a multi dimensional universe.
So my branch is economics. I didn't choose it, it chose me. I had no idea that I had a mind for a nature for it. It has no obvious financial or material benefit for me. It just seems that be what I was made for. I can then interact on that branch with others of that nature. I can gently bend their minds inwards if they have the bahkti to seek the root. It's not about knowing what is right or wrong here. It's about the task in hand. Neither have I the faintest clue why that should be the task, it seems churlish to question it.
In the same way I came to AYP and Yogani gently bent my mind inwards. This is his branch on which I sit. I don't know his branch as he does, but I had a mind to sit here a while and so that is the result for all who come here and want to find the root. I sit on the economics branch and do the same. However that is all in the context of the taste of the fruit not being in the fruit itself. Yogani is the master here, but the teachings are not in Yogani. The most important thing I learned ' the guru is in you'. Give yourself to the master and the reward comes of its own.
When we look for enlightenment, or economic enlightenment, or any form of enlightenment. We decide to serve faithfully., to do what we are told, how we are told. We discover the root from which it all springs. Enlightenment comes after the root, so it is of no value except in further training.
That's an awfully long and convoluted explanation I know it would be damned easy and tempting to get into a discussion on your understanding of economics. It would no doubt inflame my passion and have my ego jumping around like a big bouncy bunny  but I reserve that for playtime. I think of AYP more as training time.
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
791 Posts |
Posted - Jan 15 2015 : 3:06:31 PM
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| when the self is satisfied by the self in the self there is little to know |
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Anima
484 Posts |
Posted - Jan 15 2015 : 6:05:41 PM
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No, it's a reference to Leonard Cohen (I have not yet had many spiritual experiences he had not managed to put into verse )
http://www.leonardcohen.com/us/musi...lue-raincoat
I see Jennifer Warnes is a collaborator of L Cohen, so yes, it was in reference to her too (unknowingly)
Hi BlueRaincoat,
I don't understand this poem. Do you know it's context? Sorry, I'm not the best with music.
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1734 Posts |
Posted - Jan 16 2015 : 11:02:10 AM
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Oh, gosh, Anima, this would be a pretty long answer and ak33's might not like having this thread derailed.
Tell you what, I'll start another topic in "Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories" |
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ak33
Canada
229 Posts |
Posted - Jan 16 2015 : 11:22:51 AM
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It is really no problem
I started to quickly see how this thread is not very useful at all. Continue as you please |
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1734 Posts |
Posted - Jan 16 2015 : 11:56:55 AM
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Thank you ak33, I'd already posted in the other forum.
What were you hoping to get out of this thread? |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 16 2015 : 3:31:17 PM
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Originally posted by NoDogma
although I still can not see the face of upside down playing cards... my lifestyle will change that day in poker room. I promise I will fund a commune where everyone is allowed to do their own practice as long as there're no drugs, arms and no groupxxx :-)
How the hell am I going to do my arm balance postures with no arms!!???
Love,
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Sol Invictus
91 Posts |
Posted - Jan 16 2015 : 5:54:40 PM
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Hey guys!
Got curious about one thing,so instead of starting new thread,i'll ask here on this one.
Did any of you guys practicing only AYP had experience of Kevala Kumbhaka,i.e. breathless and pulseless state?
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NoDogma
USA
123 Posts |
Posted - Jan 16 2015 : 6:05:30 PM
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Carson, that's a good catch :-)
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Edited by - NoDogma on Jan 16 2015 6:49:26 PM |
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Jan 16 2015 : 6:52:12 PM
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Did any of you guys practicing only AYP had experience of Kevala Kumbhaka,i.e. breathless and pulseless state?
Breathless, yes; pulse less, probably not. |
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1734 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2015 : 07:28:23 AM
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Originally posted by CarsonZi
How the hell am I going to do my arm balance postures with no arms!!???
Than would be difficult. On the up side, one could achieve the perfect cobra pose - after all, snakes have no arms, right? |
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Anima
484 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2015 : 08:29:54 AM
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Originally posted by BlueRaincoat
quote:
Originally posted by CarsonZi
How the hell am I going to do my arm balance postures with no arms!!???
Than would be difficult. On the up side, one could achieve the perfect cobra pose - after all, snakes have no arms, right?
Quite. Coil and extend, Carson: extremities are mere superfluity. |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 17 2015 : 08:40:51 AM
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Originally posted by Anima
Carson: extremities are mere superfluity.
Don't I know it, being down one limb and all. |
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karl
United Kingdom
1812 Posts |
Posted - Jan 20 2015 : 04:50:30 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by ak33
It is really no problem
I started to quickly see how this thread is not very useful at all. Continue as you please
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Radharani
USA
843 Posts |
Posted - Jan 21 2015 : 10:26:18 PM
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Dear Karl,
Thx for your response. Didn't mean to "put you on the spot" and was not looking for "economic enlightenment." I was simply inquiring as to which TYPE of "anarchist" you are, as several different varieties exist in addition to "anarchosocialist." I was merely curious, did not mean to offend, and apologize if it was "awkward" for you. But as you pointed out, it's not really an appropriate discussion for this forum anyway. |
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karl
United Kingdom
1812 Posts |
Posted - Jan 22 2015 : 06:05:07 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Radharani
Dear Karl,
Thx for your response. Didn't mean to "put you on the spot" and was not looking for "economic enlightenment." I was simply inquiring as to which TYPE of "anarchist" you are, as several different varieties exist in addition to "anarchosocialist." I was merely curious, did not mean to offend, and apologize if it was "awkward" for you. But as you pointed out, it's not really an appropriate discussion for this forum anyway.
Not at all. The 'awkward' part wasnt due to any discomfort, but in the realisation that by attempting to answer one question I had foolishly created yet another which had even less connection to the thread and required a more complex answer.
I'm totally anarchic. An anarcho-capitalist. Pro-free market//anti-business, pro-private property/anti-state. Absolutely compliance with the principle of non aggression, but not defencelessness.
More than happy to discuss it outside the thread
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Radharani
USA
843 Posts |
Posted - Jan 23 2015 : 12:32:27 AM
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Originally posted by karl
quote:
Originally posted by Radharani
Dear Karl,
Thx for your response. Didn't mean to "put you on the spot" and was not looking for "economic enlightenment." I was simply inquiring as to which TYPE of "anarchist" you are, as several different varieties exist in addition to "anarchosocialist." I was merely curious, did not mean to offend, and apologize if it was "awkward" for you. But as you pointed out, it's not really an appropriate discussion for this forum anyway.
Not at all. The 'awkward' part wasnt due to any discomfort, but in the realisation that by attempting to answer one question I had foolishly created yet another which had even less connection to the thread and required a more complex answer.
I'm totally anarchic. An anarcho-capitalist. Pro-free market//anti-business, pro-private property/anti-state. Absolutely compliance with the principle of non aggression, but not defencelessness.
More than happy to discuss it outside the thread
ah! I see. thx. |
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